How to save our small businesses and rural communities?
Posted: Thursday, 11 October 2007 |
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Moo, the overall thrust is laudable, the reasoning is at times iffy, and the enormous length is unnecessary (edit, Moo, edit: or you are likely to lose the reader before you lose your foreign- made shirt). # Life in the UK is very expensive, certainly in relation to the income of the working/lower middle class. I guess a few pounds sterling here and there can make a mighty difference for some.
mjc from NM, USA
I'm going to read this in stages, like a book, so I've got as far as " Which lab? Yeah ok moving on" I'll come back every day for the next 5 or 6 years and read a bit, then maybe, just maybe I'll get it read before I kick the bucket???
Tws from TGMITN's Library
I find it hard to believe that mjc and Tws, of all people, are muttering about a blog posting being too long :-)
Digital Sands from Berneray
mjc, the fact of the matter remains: everything we do has a domino effect and if I purchase something that causes pain and suffering to another, can I justify my actions by saying I've saved myself a few bucks? What is "iffy" about that?
Michelle Therese from Drinking coffee
I hear you, Moo. One person can't change the world but we can all try to change our little bit of it. I got phoned for the shopping survey, and the wifey got all confused when I said I didn't do a weekly shop, and I didn't go to the supermarkets in Kirkwall. PS I am learning to spin and would like to buy some fleeces from you. Whadja say?
Stromness Dragon from The Red Cross Shop
cool pic
Ruthodanort from Unst
First time back in a long time, but yeah for you! YES. YES, YES. Right on everything. It's not just there but big time here too. My husband and I are small business owners too and you're made to feel guilty if you make anything at all! I try to avoid the big store. They are building a super Walmart in our neck of the woods and I refuse to go there. You are right in so many ways!
macQ from NMtoo, USA
Many of your points are valid I'm sure - if I had time to read them all - but you are wrong on one issue. If young folk can't afford to buy a house in Orkney, they certainly won't find one more affordable anywhere in the rest of the UK. Read/listen to the 'national' news Moo, we're all struggling, but some of us don't do it in such a pleasant location.
daisy from down here
I'm not sure if it would make a difference, but instead of selling your fleeces to big business, it might pay to look into spinning your own and hand dyeing...knitters will pay big bucks for nice, hand spun and hand dyed yarn.
Mrs. H. from South, USA
Yes, Moo, our individual economic decisions as well as government policies have serial consequences. However, some folks make the right economic decision for their families when they go to Primark because they would have problems balacing their accounts if they went to Marks or Fortnum or Harrods.
mjc from NM, USA
How are you DS? Has there been a change of ownership re: Berneray shop?
mjc from NM, USA
Some of the very people here in Stromness who complain loudest about losing small local shops are the very ones buying from the two big supermarkets in Kirkwall and from catalogues. Money where mouth is! But I get mjc's point. We can't all afford to make these ethical decisions. Some people just struggle from one week to the next to put food on the table, wherever it comes from. Can you be sure all your foodstuffs, clothes including all the cotton, household goods etc are ethically produced? (And I include over-use of insecticides and herbicides in production of ingredients in this) Are you really serious about this?
Flying Cat from a hard stare
It would take a while to discuss globalization, farm policy, economic choices at the micro level. It's a jungle out there (as per Monk's series signature song).
mjc from NM, USA
Stromness Dragon: I don't know a thing about fleeces yet so you'd have to come out to the farm and poke around the sheep and select which ones have the spinnable fleece! If you contact Anne of IBHQ she'll forward your email to me and we can connect if you wish!
Michelle Therese from Drowning in coffee
daisy: I'm not wrong - I'm absolutely spot on the truth. Young folk in Orkney cannot afford to buy a house here. I didn't say they could go and buy a house and land elswhere in the U.K.. They have to go into towns and cities and rent flats. And living in Orkney is nice but it's not a free ride - Just spend one winter here and you'll know exactly what I'm on about! Heck, we don't even have summer here...I love Orkney but folk get a bit too romantic about this place. It's a harsh climate, it's isolated, it costs loads of money to fly or use the ferry, you get hit with all sorts of crazy shipment fees when you order stuff. It's not all fun and sun! (I love it though!!!!! I wouldn't live anywhere else.)
Michelle Therese from More coffee...
NOTE: some folk reading this post are griping about the length. Sorry, but this isn't a topic that can be handled with a short attention span. Sometimes you have to write a lot when a lot needs to be said. Flying Cat, MJC, I deffinately hear you - I've spent my fair share of time pinching pennies and living off of beans and rice. I grew up so poor I'd go to school and to bed hungry. I've lived in poverty as an adult as well and I learned first-hand that the best way to survive is to let go of the need to have a wide variety of food and clothing. If you buy in bulk you save far more money then if you buy the cheap items at the big stores. Variety is something we Westerners seem to believe is a *need*: just look in our closets and our cabinets - even those of us who are poor are still wealthy beyond the wildest dreams of the sweat shop slaves. And let's face it: not every consumer is penny-pinching and living in poverty. It's not enough for us to say, "Some people have to pinch pennies so all of us should buy from big businesses..." You can survive on a tight budget without having to buy from big businesses if you let go of the need for a large variety - I'm speaking from experience, not romantic ideal. And just because something is difficult does this mean we should quit before we start? The only way to make a change is to start plugging away - No, not every one of my consumer moves is perfectly ethical. Yet. I can't have every one of my purchases be ethical right away but I can start working my way slowly but surely. Small changes add up: I've decreased my coffee consumption so that I can afford to buy one tub of Fair Trade coffee a month - I can't afford more then that. I'm buying clothing from small business seamstresses (which means I can't have a closet bursting with clothes - I must have a smaller selection and fewer shoes.) I source businesses that support situations like giving employment to women coming off of Welfare programs - sure, they charge more for their goods but I simply do with less. It's totally possible to consume responsibly even when you are not rich. Another thing: until there is a *demand* for ethical purchases there will not be much of a supply. For example: If I can only afford to buy Easter chocolate that is harvested by unpaid kidnapped child slaves in Africa (that's the case by the way - do some homework and you'll be shocked!) then instead of getting my kids chocolate I say, "Sorry but my family will not encourage slavery." Imagine what would happen to those chocolate companies that use child slaves (who are whipped and hardly fed!) if the consumer stopped buying their product? Sure, the product would become more expensive but at what cost to our fellow humans, animals and our environment do we demand cheap goods? Which brings me back to two points: 1) Isn't it the just thing to go *without* something rather then to do harm to our world and the living beings that inhabit it? 2) It's not up to the Government to police our consumerism - it's up to us to police *ourselves.* Responsible consumerism is the only way to solve these problems - not more government legislation!
Michelle Therese from Now working on tea
My only worry about long postings id that there must be a finite number of full stops, commas, and typescript stored in any laptop or computer. If there is someway of topping up this supply then that's fine but I can't find any hole or valve in my computer that looks as if it takes top ups of letters and punctuation. Is this the sort of cyber debate you are looking for?
calumannabel from Not far from the usual
I fully agree with you Moo, but unfortunately, I'm one of those poor folks that don't have the income to go with the conviction. I desperately want to buy from local small businesses who make or grow their own products, so that the Walmarts etc don't put them under. I tried to do it. However, I've found that today, even the local Mom and Pop store imports all their goods from China. The stuff is junk and they charge 3 times as much for it. I can't afford $45 shoes that fall apart a week later. The local farmers are importing their veggies from Argentina and Chile. I think society as a whole is killing itself in the name of greed and materialism. When you find a cure for it, let me know. Till then, I can't really even afford the Walmart prices. (I would definitely suggest selling wool to individuals as opposed to big business. Try the internet.)
Emily H from Wilmington, DE, USA
Well said, Moo! The same thing is happening here in WA As soon as there is an excess of stock for sale, the price goes down for the seller but not in the supermarket.Because of the drought/water/grain shortages, consumers are being warned food prices will rise, but farmers are being told if prices go up, nobody will be able to buy our produce! On average this year, we are being paid 60c a kilo less for our cattle than 3 years ago while meantime all our costs have risen. Oh well, it is a way of life we all like!
njt - from same down here from Western Australia
its a good idea Mrs H, USA, but it takes a very VERY long time to spin one fleece. and yes, knitters will pay for a soft organic handspun yarn - but you simply can't be paid enough to justify the hours. and furthermore, when you've toiled for hours you still don't have a finished product. my best friend is a wonderful spinner and knitter - and we've worked it out. you need to be getting about 拢500 a fleece to make it work! and if you work it out the other way, you may be working for pennies per hour. life's hard, but it needn't be that hard. its like the light lambs (the very small hill lambs) we are having to cull them, as there's no market due to foot and mouth or blue tongue, and a very good product, going to waste. and what's more, we're subsidised to do this. I can never work out the logistics of it all - are we self employed or are we slaves to the EU. are we producing a valued and valuable product or are we just working hard to produce a product no one wants. why bother? yet we're costing the country dearly. if we're just custodians of the countryside then forget about the production of an unmarketable product.if we're subsidised to produce hay, silage and crops, to produce meat and milk, yet still can't make a profit because of weather, market conditions, bad luck due to disease, what's the point?
scallowawife from by my spinning wheel, spinning a yarn...
I love these debates! Good job starting this one Michelle! Some points I pondered while reading the above: 1. Less than one hundred years ago a very small percentage of a families goods and services were not purchased locally. The advent of fossil fuels and transport lines (steamships, railways, and eventually, post WWII airplanes) changed everything, but farming most of all. 2. Many people, especially here in America, do not know true poverty. Being without money or limited income is not the same as no food, no shelter, no healthcare, no options. I was fortunate enough to travel a lot in the last few years, across Europe, northern Africa, Mexico, and Alaska's own 'bush' communities. I have seen poverty. It has nothing to do with Walmart, but Walmart has lots to do with Poverty. 3. If we don't slow down the global gobbling of resources we may soon have no local options for food. Living in Alaska I am painfully aware of how little of the food lining store shelves here was produced within even 500 miles of my home. What happens when fuel prices rise to the point where Alaska is cut off? There is not enough food grown here to support even 1/5 of our small population. 5. Modern life is about balancing leisure time with production. Life of the past balanced survival with production. It's easy to romanticize the pioneer days or the middle ages as a simpler time, where families joyously sang around hearths full of food...but history suggests that isn't the case at all. So I believe that those of us in affluent nations can all afford some leisure time reductions to improve the quality of production. 6. Michelle is right, if we choose to live consciously, and make small adjustments as we learn about the things we consume, we can make a difference. This isn't school, or a competition, so if you do more or less isn't the point - that you're doing it at all is the point. I find it funny that our competitive society (that fuels our consumerism well) causes us to compete or judge on everything. 7. My last thought is that it seems some folks attention span has hit an all time low. How in-depth can you get in a few sentences? I read all of what Michelle has written, and it isn't too much if you think about and engage in the ideas she's put forth. If you just want a quick hit 鈥搗isit the 成人快手 World News. Thanks to all who commented and put in their ideas and interesting experiences! Shan O
Shan-O from Alaska
I love these debates! Good job starting this one Michelle! Some points I pondered while reading the above: 1. Less than one hundred years ago a very small percentage of a families goods and services were not purchased locally. The advent of fossil fuels and transport lines (steamships, railways, and eventually, post WWII airplanes) changed everything, but farming most of all. 2. Many people, especially here in America, do not know true poverty. Being without money or limited income is not the same as no food, no shelter, no healthcare, no options. I was fortunate enough to travel a lot in the last few years, across Europe, northern Africa, Mexico, and Alaska's own 'bush' communities. I have seen poverty. It has nothing to do with Walmart, but Walmart has lots to do with Poverty. 3. If we don't slow down the global gobbling of resources we may soon have no local options for food. Living in Alaska I am painfully aware of how little of the food lining store shelves here was produced within even 500 miles of my home. What happens when fuel prices rise to the point where Alaska is cut off? There is not enough food grown here to support even 1/5 of our small population. 5. Modern life is about balancing leisure time with production. Life of the past balanced survival with production. It's easy to romanticize the pioneer days or the middle ages as a simpler time, where families joyously sang around hearths full of food...but history suggests that isn't the case at all. So I believe that those of us in affluent nations can all afford some leisure time reductions to improve the quality of production. 6. Michelle is right, if we choose to live consciously, and make small adjustments as we learn about the things we consume, we can make a difference. This isn't school, or a competition, so if you do more or less isn't the point - that you're doing it at all is the point. I find it funny that our competitive society (that fuels our consumerism well) causes us to compete or judge on everything. 7. My last thought is that it seems some folks attention span has hit an all time low. How in-depth can you get in a few sentences? I read all of what Michelle has written, and it isn't too much if you think about and engage in the ideas she's put forth. If you just want a quick hit 鈥搗isit the 成人快手 World News. Thanks to everyone who put in their ideas and experiences, it's interesting to see how others in this world think about all this! Shan-O
Shan-O from Alaska
Nothing to do with attention span and everything to do with succinctness,
Flying Cat from VOA is worse
I wonder why I bother debating if the only thing most folks are going to debate about are the lengths of my essays rather then the content! I was told recently that the reason I cannot find a good long beefy story in a newspaper - complete with lots of detail - is because the attention span of the readers has diminished and now all that folk want are small quick sound bites. I dunno...I've always believed in trying our best to carefully justify our opinions with details. I've never been into sound bites but here's something short and succinct, from Mother Angelica: "We all drag our own carcass to market so be careful." I agree and so...I'm trying my best - complete with plenty of failures along the way. Cheerio!
Michelle Therese from Back from the Monastery
Hyper active attention deficit disorder is not a problem of mine. # It has been said of Americans that we talk or write about many things, often at length, but our knowledge is not always up to par. # If I remember correctly, the English response to pompous verbosity is to say "Oh, get off it." or is it "Git orf it!"?
mjc from NM, USA
Shan-O: I note that you enjoy the meanderings of your fellow (recently relocated) Alaskan, Must be those long winters listening to one's own voice. # Long live haikus. # About VOA: Radio Marti is worse, FC.
mjc from NM, USA
Succinct does not = 'soundbite'. 'Terse, concise, briefly expressed' OED. And my comment was in response to the long-winded one above. If you read The Guardian or the Independant or the Herald you will find some long articles. Be careful of what, when we 'drag our carcasses to market'? Of what we say? Or how we say it? We try to buy local ie Orkney produce whenever possible. Also the only supermarket we go to is the Co-op, because it at least has some sort of ethical standpoint. We use the green box and the civic amenity site. We also shop at the Deli, Shearers, Scarth, Fletts. We do not buy expensive mail-order foodstuffs (although, unlike poor, backs-to-the-wall farmers, we could afford to.) One of us buys most of her clothes locally, many from the Red Cross and Orkaid. We do not 'compete or judge on everything.' Clarity of thought and succinctness of delivery are surely preferable to longwinded convoluted outpourings. I am sure you, Moo, as a busy active farmer don't have time for such things.
Flying Cat from Orkney Fayre
The Duke of Omnium had his grapes, my wife needs oranges, loves mangoes, and would miss bananas. Yes, the big companies take their cut to get the stuff to us (unblemished), and we often pay through the nose (though not as much as hopping on a plane to go "pick your own"). Globalization has its pros and cons, its winners and losers. One should not equate morality with one's political or sentimental preferences. Ultimately, we spend our money as we distribute our kisses: arbitrarily and hopefully with abandon.
mjc from NM,USA
Hi, i have read with interest all of your comments. The tide has indeed turned through awareness of the importance of rural and traditional home grown produce. The affluent are your customer. They upper middle and upper classes are obsessed with politically and ethically correct goods these days and it is often the poorer members of society that choose the cheaper option over the environmnetally or ethically correct goods. These are the people who need to watch their pennies. The problem lies in legislation. The government need to do more to encorage the big businesses to buy local which in turn can help to sustain smaller businesses and make 'good' products available at a price we can all afford. Barring change in legislation your problem as it stands at the moment lies in advertising. It is the key to your success or failure. Let people know that you are out there and you will create your own market for the affluent consumer. Take the advice of the blogger who said spin and dye your own wool and you could really turn it around. All the local farm shops in my region are taking money hand over fist now that there is a demand for what they sell.
Rek from Northumberland