In defence of Portugal?
- 6 Jul 06, 12:30 PM
NUREMBERG EN ROUTE TO BERLIN BY TRAIN (6.5 HR JOURNEY!) - Portugal鈥檚 reputation as the World Cup鈥檚 pantomime villains was confirmed in their semi-final defeat against France.
Cristiano Ronaldo was a target for the 鈥渂oo-hiss鈥 brigade, while we could have spent the entire match shouting 鈥渉e鈥檚 behind you鈥 at the fourth official whenever 鈥淏ig Phil鈥 Scolari wanted to debate yet another decision.
The strength of anti-Portugal, and particularly anti-Ronaldo, feeling came as a genuine shock.
I will not defend their diving 鈥 that is impossible and much of the criticism is completely justified.
But dare I play Devil鈥檚 Advocate and suggest we are putting their antics in sharper focus because they beat England once again?
There was much bitterness after England went out, most of it aimed in the direction of Ronaldo and much of it deserved.
The bottom line, however, is that if Wayne Rooney had not stamped on Ricardo Carvalho鈥檚 vitals and seen red, there would be no room for discussion.
Portugal head the roll of dishonour no doubt, but one or two illiustrious figures can join them.
Lest we forget, we saw the great sportsman Thierry Henry in a very poor light when he exaggerated the extent of Carles Puyol鈥檚 challenge against Spain.
Italy鈥檚 Francesco Totti was guilty against Germany, while home country hero Michael Ballack is hardly spotless either.
Portugal have been up with the worst culprits, but would we be judging them so harshly if they had not been England鈥檚 conquerors?
My view?
Scolari鈥檚 side are serial offenders and occasionally shameful, but they should not take all the rap. They are not alone.
What do you think?
The romantics among us would like to see Zinedine Zidane end his France career by lifting the World Cup after Sunday鈥檚 final against Italy.
You could also make a case for Italy鈥檚 brilliant defender Fabio Cannavaro, who has been the World Cup鈥檚 outstanding performer and deserves to claim the ultimate victory.
France looked ominously tired at the end of their win against Portugal, particularly Zidane, who has made a huge physical and mental effort to rediscover his form out here in Germany.
Italy have improved as the tournament has gone on, and I am awaiting the comments from those who took me to task for 鈥 in their eyes anyway 鈥 mocking the extent of their celebrations after reaching the last 16.
Marcello Lippi鈥檚 side showed real class in the semi-final win against Germany, and I would have them down as slight favourites in what is sure to be a tight contest.
But Henry has been a scourge of Italian clubs when on European duty for Arsenal, so do not write off Thierry emerging as the match-winner.
Where鈥檚 your money going?
Mine? Italy by the odd goal in three.
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I'm german so i probably watched this game from a more neutral point of view than a brit and i must say Portugal deserved one or two yellow cards for diving inside the french box. Ronaldo (the brazilian one) saw one for a similar incident.
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What has football come to? Comparing one country's cheating with another instead of talking about great moves and great goals.
When it comes to it, only one team can win the world cup so it's more realistic just to hope to put in a couple of decent performances and go home with your head held high. Germany did it but England didn't.
As for teams like Portugal and Holland, they can only go home ashamed of their contribution to the tournament.
Just like watching people like Drogba and Robben cheat all last season took the joy out of watching football in the premiership.
If one of Portugal's dives had succeeded in winning the game last night, I would have given up watching football for good.
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I'd say Italy has 60% chances against the France we saw yesterday, and 40% against the France that played Brazil.
However the only football bet I ever won is the 2-2 draw between Denmark and Sweden in 2004, which reasons I won't go into was given the shortest odds in the whole history of football, so don't take my word vor it ;)
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@Ralph
He(Brazilian ronaldo) did not get one for diving at the end of the France match...
Instead they got a free-kick which was sent above the bar by Ronaldinho
Both Henry and Ronaldo(Brazilian) have been serial offenders in this tournament with their theatrical diving...
But all your tabloid-fuelled boo-hoo boys are up against christiano just because he played a part in the English loss ( His problem is mainly going down too easily , a dive is without contact )
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I'm Australian, and while I was hoping England would beat Portugal, I'm still fairly neutral. However Portugal really have made themselves the villains of the tournament, with Ronaldo at the forefront. His behaviour against England was despicable -- the way he behaved after the Rooney incident was bad enough, nevermind that it was with a club team mate! You compare that to the way Germany and Italy played, and you can see why everyone is loathing the Portuguese. Last night didn't help, some of the diving was just comical.
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There should be a FIFA commitee that watches videos of all the games, and where a dive is blatantly obvious, as it was on numerous occasions last night, they should just ban that player for a good 3-4 games. As it is, if the ref is not 100% sure they dived, they get away with not only cheating, but making a mockery of the greatest game on the planet. I also believe the same should apply for players surrounding the referee at any point in the game.
In cricket, players know if they argue with a decision they get fines and bans. So they don't do it. It needs to be the same in football.
It's turning the beautiful game into a joke. And it has to stop.
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A statement from the school of science of the bleedin' obvious - of course we are looking at Portugal more intensely because they got through instead of England. Nobody would mind if they were particularly better than us and worthy semi finalists - but the antics of some of their players was a disgrace and tarnished their undoubted ability. Nice to see that those who lived by the dive, died by the dive.
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Another silly report. Why will 成人快手 insist on this again?
They keep at it impersonating all problams of football on their adversary team that knocked them out.
Sufice to see the direct insults of THESUN If FIFA has to investigate something it has to be how the press makes up "criminal" footballing out of thin air.
Portugals players diving?
Oh what? the French didnt dive? That Thierry henry deserves an oscar.
How about Joe coles attepmpt to ripp off a penalty by diving in the portuguese box?
The Italians knoked out the Australians out? (not the aussies had any chance anyway)
I am sick of all this incriminating reports of commom cheap tactics atributed to one teams fault.
I dont know why I keep camming back, maybe is my feeling that a global player so called first world country can be struck by so much lack of common sense and mentality.
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Some Portuguese did dive yesterday, as did some French. Italy beat Australia with a well timed dive.
Both the 成人快手 and ITV did a compilation of Portugal's diving in yesterday's match. Pick any team in this tourment and you could do the same. Particularly distasteful was the inclusion of Miguel's injury. By those standards then Owen also dived when his leg gave way. Shameful.
If Ronaldo is an icon of cheating, then Alan Shearer is an icon of sore loosing. If Portugal represents a nation that lacks fair play, then England represents a nation that doesn't know how to loose with dignity.
After yesterday's game, the Portuguese can leave Germany with their heads held high.
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Ronaldo showed yesterday what a great footballer he is dispite all that booing that I find somewhat ridiculous. In my view it will be Man Utd's loss if Ron leaves the Premiership. Maybe he will be better in Spain or Italy where he will be apreciated like he deserves. The voting on that Ecuador player to rob Cristiano 1st place has the best young player of the World Cup is laughable. Rooney keeps is 4% !!!
Now about the portuguese squad has a whole. It seems that any team that loses against Portugal cant find any sportive explanation for their defeat. Its all about diving and acting. Be serious for once! Both Holland and England lost fair and square.
I understand that there is some "portugalphobia" in England. Lets see: England knocked out twice by Portugal in the last two competitions. League clubs being knocked out in Uefa and C.League by portuguese clubs. And the last but not the least: a portuguese coach that takes over a mid-table club and wins the last two premierleague competitions by Easter. Why dont you kick Mourinho out of England too?
Keep booing Portugal and our players. You only hate what you fear!
I hope we'll meet again. The sooner the better!
Greetings from Lisbon!
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Italy played 120 end to end minutes against Germany so I think both sides will go into the final equally tired.
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Whilst Portugal are not alone in the pantomime stakes, they have raised it to a level that is truly despicable. In the semi-final, particularly, almost every tackle was greeted with shouts for France to be penalised. Even the outrageous flying dive of Ronaldos in the French 6 yard box was accompanied by screams for a penalty. The result was, that Portugal failed to get several French fouls awarded simply because they had cried "Wolf!" too often.
This, though, was not the behaviour of an individual - it was team tactics and that is what makes it so despicable.
Even Argentina and Italy, who are masters of this tactic, found playing football in a fair & friendly manner far more rewarding.
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i thought the match of the day presentation of the game last night to be childish at BEST. the "lovable portuguese" gary linekar, "alez les bleu" gary linekar, "i dont mean to be bitter but cavalho, just been yellow carded, WAS the player wayne, the golden boy of english football, alledgedly stamped on" motson, "the last 16 round of games have been dissapointing" shearer. No mention of the classic italy v germany game the night before, was that because itv had shown that one? please, please grow up & get on with your football lives commentators & pundits alike. england again were just not good enough. its a shame the boris becker interview was shown late on tues evening as he spoke of defeat in the same breadth as praising the victors.
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You are right. The diving is widespread but the win against England put us on the spot, and the french happuly joined the media circus. Having said that, they did dive, unfortunatly, and something has to be done to punish simulation and diving, and no ammount of excusing can hide this simple fact. Interestingly enough Portugal didn't benefict from diving in any game, unlike others in this tournament that progressed due to refereing errors. But after the England match Portugal was doomed to be in the spotlight as the villain that this WC needed to blame someone from the uninspiring performances of all teams since the eights'.
Bad game, mediocre teams and a crappy French team in the finals, although rightly so since Portugal had the usual offensive effectiveness or lack thereof.
The worst thing coming out of this is the backlash againts C. Ronaldo, that is undeserved or at least there for the wrong reasons: pure spite.
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Let's get it in perspective. a)It's just a game b) It was just a wink c)Why are we scapegoating Ronaldo for diving when it's not as if the English players never dive...like Mr Steven Gerrard in pre world cup friendly and less obviously during the world cup itself...d) get over it. Rooney got himself sent off, nobody else e)If Portugal are so awful what does that say about England? f)England played better once Rooney went off anyhow.
It just seems like any excuse not to look at our own team and manager.
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I am angry with the Portugese squad, because they had shown the ugly side of the football, not occasionally (like Henry's oscar-worthy performance against Spain), but from the kick-off until the end... It was like a part of the game-plan, probably told by Scolari...
Funny thing is; Joga Bonito is Portugese and we haven't seen none of that "beautiful game" from any of Portugese speaking countries...
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I have to say I was suprised by the Ronaldo booing too and I don't think it was fair. But you know, I am a United supporter and like Ronaldo more than Rooney. Maybe, after Cristiano's comments about him playing better with the booing and hissing, we should do that at all our domestic games. (Although saying that I guess its gonna happen anyway)
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I agree with some of the 成人快手 pundits on this. Retrospective red cards and automatic match suspensions should be dealt out to serial divers. Take it out of the refs hands because the ref should be there to make sure the game is as unstinted as possible.
If Portugal had lost half their squad for their antics against the Netherlands, England or France... they'd soon sit up and think about their stupidity and gamesmanship.
The same goes for any other player/side. Joe Cole's beginning to pick up a few bad habits on that front so I don't disclude English players.
If Portugal had progressed to the final and God forbid (quite literally), won it... it would have sent the wrong message out about the game.
I do have another solution though. Next time a player writhes on the floor in mock agony.... bring a stretcher beaer on with amputation equipment.... see how quickly the player gets up and starts running. :-)
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Yes, I suspect a number of the dissenting voices were England fans who had bought tickets in the vain hope that their nation might be participating.
The level of anti-Portuguese feeling on the internet, as England fans some foreigner to blame, has shocked and depressed me. John Motson's obvious pleasure that Carvalho would miss the final game of the tournament was particularly unsavoury, given that the man's crime had been to have his groin stamped on by a thug.
Ronaldo has been one of the tournament's finest players: at times last night no fewer than three world-class French defenders were around him, and still they could not prevent him getting the ball across or forcing a corner.
The spectacle of a nation uniting in its hatred of a wonderfully-talented young boy, whose crime was to complain to the referee when an opponent assaulted one of his teammates, is frankly sickening.
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I'm portuguese and live in England but I still support my team till the end.Why are portuguese players the only one to be criticised for all diving?all teams have done the same.why so much hate? Because Portugal beat England again? It looks like.
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Hi, I'm an English Bordeaux fan (I am honestly) and have been closely following the French national side since I first started supporting les Girondins in the 90's. Zizou was an exceptional player at Bordeaux and is still revered as one of the most popular players ever to wear the scapulaire. For him I hope France win the world cup, he is not only the most talented footballer of the modern era but a gentleman and role model.
Allez Zizou!!
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While I agree that diving and fainting injuries are not something that belong in our game. And while I agree that Portugal were givng a masterclass of this yesterday and as a Manchester United and C.Ronaldo fan this is something that I feel at times lets him down.
Am I the only one that believes that Ronaldo as been used as a scapegoat for once again Englands short comings. Am I also the only one who believes that some of it also as to do with him being a Man U player. I mean seriously take along hard look had it have been the other way round. Would Rooney be getting treated like this. (I didn't think so!). It's ashame how the media in this country dictate how people feel and think about our game and allow them to influence our decisions.
At the end of the day sentiments aside. This was England against Portugal not Man Utd/England against Portugal. If Ronaldo feels Rooney made a foul he as a right to contest it he want's t win the World Cup as much as Rooney or anyone else does. Can you blame him for that. At the end of the day Rooney lost his temper and the situation as been blown out of hand.
I am a Rooney fan as he plays for Man U also and know how passionate he is. I believe he would have done this also had Ronaldo had stamped on Beckham for example. What makes this even more ridiculous. Is that most people boo'ing and getting at Ronaldo sticking up for Rooney are the same ones who's calling Rooney a Fat B* at club games and saying he dived against Arsenal. (Oct 24 2004, Old Trafford) among other things.
If that is not double standards and what is know as being a hypocrit then I don't know what is. At the end of the day England lost, just like Spain and other. You don't hear them blaming overs. Blame Gerrard or Lampard for missing a penalty not Ronaldo.
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I was one of those "offended" by your views on Italy's celebrations but I must admit that your later replies better explained your point of view and thus put everything into perspective.
I believe that a lot of people are guilty of provoking, no team is an exception. Maybe Portugal did it in a more explicit way but I really believe that the english were particularly harsh only becuase of being eliminated by a team that was probably inferior.
I understand the disappointment but I also believe that we need more focused and calm comments from journalists, specially in a country were the press can influence so much the pubblic point of view. It has been depressing to hear so many cries of "cheating" from some of the posters here who attacked violently some of the teams while ignoring the same thing in other teams that were not so "covered".
We all need to calm down; it is unfair that one stupid action by a player or an error of a referee can cause people to start attacking a whole country. I understand some minor mocking, this is what football is about, but when you exagerate then it turns out to be too bitter and disgraceful.
We have been lucky to experience a great world cup; let us pray for a great final as well, and to the english (some, not all obviously) I ask to try and avoid considering what the "Sun" will write after the final and to make their own judgments; Portugal is a great nation (I'm not portuguese) and it's people are nice as any, they don't deserve to be treated like this.
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Being Irish but having lived in England sice i was 3 i am thouroughly disapointed but not surprised by the way the English have reacted to the Portugese player Cristiano Ronaldo. I was very pleased to see him even more determined to win after being subjected to boos and taunts from the watching crowd. It is so pathetic Enland are just looking for someone to blame for them not getting through and even if it hadn't been Ronaldo than it would have been either something or someone else getting the blame. The English are bad loosers and England wouldn't have got much further anyway! Ronaldo is a fantastic player and gets my support!
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There's no doubt that Portugal are serial offenders in the Dark Arts of football. Not just at International level either might I add.
However I do think that the defeat of England at the hands of Portugal has added to their victimisation(and in particular Mr Ronaldo). As has been rightly pointed out, over teams have not so wholesome characters as well, but not to the extent of Portugal where by nearly evey player on the pitch had a go at an Olympic bid for the Portuguese Gymnastics team.
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I am very neutral as my team is not playing et the WC:) In my opinion, three of four teams coud be doubted as semi-finalists: Italy - penalty vs.Australia in an equal game,France - diving before 2nd goal which broke the game, Portugal - no way for divers...In my opinion, divers should be punished with red card at once, not yellow, to exclude it from the game. If those actors want to play theatre, they should not play football.
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For me the problem with Portugal is that they behave exactly as I am expecting them to behave. I expect to see them hounding the referee, taking dives, committing professional fouls and generally playing without any form of sportsmanship whatsoever. And at this World Cup I havn't yet been disappointed. During the knock out stages they have been the second best team on the park on 3 occasions, yet they have got to the semi-final. Genuine fans want the semi-finals to be played by those teams most deserving of getting there, Portugal weren't.
They seem to make up for their lack of flair with the histrionics, for which Carvalho and Ronaldo are the worst offenders. If it were that Portugal could beat a team without resorting to these tactics they would be respected, but they employed such tactics against England and France and most evidently against Holland, and as a consequence diminished themselves as a team.
Portugal are a good team with some decent players but are most certainly not good enough to be in the World Cup final, thank god France found them out. They would be a better team if they concentrated on winning matches and not conning referees. Portugal had the opportunity, when they had an extra man against England, to show what they could really do on the pitch. What did we get? 25 minutes of them playing with 6 midfielders and no strikers (and more diving than you could shake a stick at) - hardly suprising that England were able to keep them at bay. And let's be honest about it, this is a team that lost to Greece on home soil in a major championship final....
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It indeed would be fitting to see Zidane lift the cup, but he doesn't half look tired! I also think the Italians will get it, but only by a goal. Portugal? Serious investigation required by FIFA to stamp out ALL diving & other tactics. Football is the beautiful game, not a cheat-fest. Big Phil needs a talking to...
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I am portuguese and I don't think one or two yelow cards would have been enough. Ronaldo should have been sent off because he is a natural diver instead of a natural talent. And yes I am portuguese.
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I can't say I'm upset that Ronaldo got so much 'abuse' targetted against him last night. His behaviour throughout the tournament, and the behaviour of the whole Portugese team was nothing less than shocking. FIFA claimed prior to this tournament that they would "stamp out cheating" and "stamp out diving" - something that FIFA have to live up to, and something that needs to be stamped out. Ronaldo was a cheat throughout his performance.
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The abuse towards the portuguese stems from England going out. There's a subtle wave of discontent and nobody knows for sure who exactly to blame.
The Portuguese, and in particular Ronaldos have become apt targets.
Sven Goran Eriksson's inept formations, which lead to a frustrated Rooney who ended up kicking thin air when he could've scored, thus Rooney's red card stamping, Beckham's non participation, lack of midfield creativity and missed penalties, have all been swept under the carpet to cater for what people really want to believe cost England a World Cup win... a wink by Ronaldo.
We diligently accuse people of cheating and being without football 'etiquette' yet we show the same levels by being bad losers. The scenes in the aftermath between Argentina and Germany are the same as the England - Portugal game, but done with a war of words from irresponsible people and media, instead of a physical one.
Lets take the defeat on the chin and move on. Learn from it.
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C Ronaldo was not carded for his diving but neither was Henry but Henry was given the penalty kick. Unfair refereeing yet again, The ref was very close to both incidents and to be honest should have given both at least Yellow cards and no spot kicks. Henry was tackled by Carvallo and a foot was left in there but once Henry saw the ball was unreachable to him he then went for the dive and spot kick which I would have sent him off for as I would Ronaldo at the other end. The onus is on the refs to stop this, if the players get away with it then the problem will only get worse.
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The fact is that Portugal undoubtedly have some very good players, and Scolari has moulded them into an effective unit playing the 4-2-3-1 system.
But time and again in this tournament we saw what some might call gamesmanship and others cheating, taken to a new level by these players.
Yes other teams are doing it too, but I suspect only because these teams know that the referees have been conned so many times. The opposition is gaining an unfair advantage when their players simulate and go to ground. Hence Henry's cameo against Puyol.
More and more teams will do it unless something is done about it, because at the end of the day it can be the difference in staying in or going out of a major competition.
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Portugal were certainly "at it" last night but I have to say, in general, I feel this world cup was better handled by FIFA in that there seemed to be less diving in general than in the past. Even the Argies seemed to want to play this time...and play well at that.
But Ronaldo, great player that he is, was hilarious to watch against France. That theatrical dive in the area where he launched himself was in Oscar Nomination territory. Shocking. And he's going to get serious stick back in the Premiership.
I fear Italy will beat France although I'm on the "Zizi" nostalgia side of the fence. But it's a cup competition, so who knows what fate has in store.
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I am pleased that Portugal were beaten, not because they knocked out England but they couldn't hit a cows' backside with a banjo and showed some of the worst sportsmanship I have ever seen on a football pitch. It's not just the diving but the constant verbal sniping at the opposition and the officials. That's what gets the crowd against them.
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So, Cristiano Ronaldo thinks there should have been some yellow cards, does he? Perhaps if someone sat him down in front of a semi-final 'highlights' film of blatant Portugal diving he might have to admit his team (and him) should have been the ones to receive them. What bare-faced cheek!
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Lets see Ronaldo come back to the UK. Why not? He has protested his innocence in this whole sorry saga so what has he got to fret about? A bit of harrasment from the English fans for sure...that the least of his worries. How I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Fergie gets the team together in August.
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I've not supported football since I was a kid, so am not entirely sure why I'm writing to this site. Perhaps it's because I now play rugby and cannot bear to witness the so-called football "stars" continue deceiving referees and the paying public with their antics.
Diving and feigning serious injury has only one purpose: to deceive the referee and force a penalty, free kick, or sending off that is otherwise not justified. That is not "professionalism" as some pundits choose to call it, but blatant cheating and makes a mockery of "the beautiful game".
FIFA President Sepp Blatter's total refusal to even consider video support for referees greatly undermines the referee's position, as does the allowing of players to vigorously remonstrate (verbally and physically) with the referee. It's simply not good enough for Blatter to complain that referees should become more professional - they are already at the top of their profession on the world's largest stage and should be supported in doing their (largely thankless) job by the body, which controls the sport. FIFA should react quickly, as the already meagre supply of football refs might dry up quicker than they think, especially if they're not being supported by their employers. Otherwise, perhaps the paying public will have had enough of the cheating and start supporting other more "honest" sports instead.
For a more learned opinion, click on the link below for Welsh International Rugby Referee Nigel Whitehouse's sound advice for the football administrators (https://www.planet-rugby.com/Off_The_Field/Laws_And_Referees/story_52253.shtml).
Who knows, maybe I'm wrong about all this and football will become as popular a "sport" as WWF wrestling?! Let's see.
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Its amazing that the one country, who more than any other, owed its sole world Cup triumph to refereeing errors should be the one to hold forth and lecture the rest of us on the evils cheating and refereeing incompetence.
Can anybody imagine the reaction if England lost a world cup final to Argentina by a goal that did not cross the line, that never was - the sheer bedlam and hysteria that would explode around our heads. In the 1966 Quarter final between Argentina and England, Argentina had to play with 10 men because The Referee sent off the Argentine captain Rattin (in a match where English fouls doubled Argentine ones) because he ' did not like the look on his face' and because Rattin was allegedly insulting a referee who later on admitted to not understanding a word of Spanish.
Imagine the English reaction if Beckham had been sent off for abusing a referee who later admitted to not speaking or understanding a word of English.
The English are the spoilt, petulant and inadequate children of international football. Not once in 40 years of mediocrity have they ever admitted to loosing a tournament game because they played a better side, not once have they ever had the grace to congratulate their conquerors, there is always an excuse, always a whinge, always a hate figure to divert attention from their lack of any real ability to play good football. English football is a joke. The English now hate the Portuguese not because of their so called antics, but because the Iberians who they would rather patronise have cleaned the floor with them three times now in the last 6 years, Euro 2000, Euro 2004 and now this world cup - what a record. Portugal have produced Figo, a former world player of the year, respected throughout the game who has led his country, a small modest south European nation to the last 4 of at least 3 competitions, England have produced David Beckham, better known for his hair not playing style, who has led his country, one of the richest in the world, from one underachievement to the other.
Portugal have Ronaldo, a a fine winger with pace, trickery and above all courage, England have Rooney, a one trick pony (all he ever does is try and shoot from outside the box or barge his way through it) overrated and over hyped. Ronaldo will achieve great things in Spain, Rooney will spend the rest of his days bullying the likes of Charlton and Bolton and striving for red cards in major tournaments when confronted with good defenders (who can pocket mediocre and overrated strikers), so all the post match talk will not be about how average he really is but how '鈥檋is emperament let the great genius down'.
Then again he is also very likely to end up in prison
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(I'm portuguese by the way)
"Portugal head the roll of dishonour no doubt, but one or two illiustrious figures can join them."
It is really sad to see the writer of this post embarck on this kind of remark, going so far as to say that much of the bitterness aimed at Ronaldo is actualy deserved. If a portuguese player had stepped on an english players vitals like that, you wouldn't only be calling us all butchers but you'd claim that player to be banned as well. So, please, do grow up and take Rooney's actions for what they were.
From my perspective, biased or not, it's kind of interesting to see us go down from the likeable team that couldn't scare anyone - having much of the foreign press calling us the brazilians of Europe for our handsome but imature style of playing - to become this so hated national team that seems to be destroying the beauty of the game. Again, grow up will you. Portugal, with Scolari on the lead, did take it's place in the grown boys turf, and if England wasn't big enough to defeat us, try better next time but do it playing ball.
As for last night's match with France, I can recognise a bit of bitterness on my side of the barricade. In my view the referee had a very professional and fair presence. The game started very well, the french took the lead on the attack, and we reacted, and it looked like it was going to be a spectacular match. Then Ricardo Carvalho did the penalty. Maybe he didn't want to do it, but as he fell down he clearly stretched his leg towards Thiery Henry. It was a clean penalty.
For a moment there, we all prayed for Ricardo, having saved so many penalties, could do the miracle one more time. But this is Zidane we're talking about, and he took a solid shot towards goal.
The game clearly shifted from then on. The french closed the block and had little initiative for the rest of the game. Portugal tried to react, and as the clock run againt us some of or inneficiencies showed. There was some diving as we started playing more with heart than reason. Pauleta was nowhere to be seen, and sadly neither was Deco. Ronaldo actualy had great effort in this game, and Figo did his best to keep us moving.
In a sad and ironic way, from my portuguese perspective, I saw this as Figo's world cup. He started it brilliantly, and kept us moving forward, but the truth is we went as far as he could go - and last night we saw him reaching his limits. It is sad for such a fenomenal player, but that's how it goes.
Still, it is an amazing and historic presence of Portugal in this world cup. And we're still playing with Germany on saturday, on what I expect to be the best game of the tournament. Both teams already lost all they had to loose, so I expect an open, exciting and fair game, and may the best win. As for the final, it's curious how it's reached by the two best teams in terms of defence - and not necessarily in terms of attack. That's how modern football goes, but you know, football isn't showbizz. It is a great tactical game, and that's what happened last night. Whether we like it or not.
Viva Portugal!
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Ronaldo dives in the french box was as ridiculous as pathetic, it should have be sent to the bench for such lame attemps, because he should have collected yellow cards for simulating. Otherwise he played fine during this match, which is disturbing, let's hope that his lack of fair-play is the price of his young age, and that he will only keep the more than enjoyable part in the future...
Once again if referees had the video, he should be sued for that, during the match or even after.
If Henry over played the foul in front of Spain, and this really didn't pleased me, the foul was here and real, in the case of the Ronaldo (brazil) dive attempt, he was simply laughable, without any possible instigator within the perimeter...
We want refereeing video!
Work fine in rugby without breaking the action flow...
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Spot on article....
Come on Italy, they deserve it........
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I have only watched a selection of matches as I do not have a TV. From what I have seen I am impressed by the approach that especially Argentina and Italy have brought to this world cup - teams that, in my life time, have previuosly tended towards the cynical tackle and amateur dramatics. Of course, all teams can have one player who deserves our disapproval - Frings against Sweden comes to my mind - but the general trend in this competition is laudable, as witnessed by the approach of both teams in the first semi.
As for the Rooney/Renaldo thing, here is what I wrote to a national newspaper in the light of the sending off and the anticipated backlash for Rooney. The outome of the match itself was irrelevent - England beat themselves, anyway:
'I wish to support Wayne Rooney in his genuine, battling endeavours to gain possession of the ball, whilst Portuguese arms wrestled around his torso in front of a wavering referee.
I felt so sorry for the boy, especially when the 成人快手 commentator droned on about Rooney's temperament etc. Others have called for him to apologise to the other England players, when Rooney was simply doing his job!
He was not so much petulant as determined and, still, I cannot see intent when his boot came into contact with the prostrate defender鈥檚 body (which was behind Rooney鈥檚 field of vision). Earlier in the match he was clearly seen trying to avoid falling with his entire body weight onto an opposing defender.
Utter disbelief followed, with Rooney unable to grasp the treachery of Christiano Ronaldo, his own team mate at Manchester United. The lad's entire world was crashing down.
Rooney鈥檚 style of play is not simply a 鈥楤ritish鈥 thing, though it is something many of our players excel in. Tevez of Argentina, Odonkor of Germany, Ribery of France, for example - they are all honest grafters who battle until they drop. Any of these would grace the Premiership, a place where Portuguese players tend to flop.
As a Manchester United fan, my first reaction was 鈥榮ell Ronaldo now!鈥 This of course would leave no room for the bridge building that must follow any breakdown in a working relationship. As an England fan, though, I still say 鈥楢llez les Bleu!..鈥
Now, I look forward to a decent final (that does not go to penalties), where football wins. My heart says France, but before it all started I said to my son: "You know, nobody's mentioned Italy..." It's time we had a 3-2 result.
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Sure, there are other offenders but Scholari did the team no favours with his loudly proclaimed win at all cost philosophy. Other coaches or players may have the same thinking, but non so as high profile, feisty, or as the loud as the Portuguese coach in proclaiming these values. Some of the slow motion replays of Portuguese antics made them look ridiculous.
Diving for penalty has always been an age old offences. But in this tournament, I see many players faking elbow fouls, clutching their faces and going down in a heap when there was no contact made.
In any exams, once you are caught cheating, you are disqualified. The referee may not catch all acts on the pitch. But FIFA should seriously consider barring the cheats caught on video from the rest of the tournament.
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Let's not forget to add Crouch's horrendous dreadlock tugging which saved England from an embarrassment rather more acute than that delivered by scraping into a quarter-final.
Let's not forget Alan Shearer's advice that Rooney should go back and 'stick one on him'.
Certainly, Portugal's antics were shameful and made for much boredom. The Italy/Germany match reminded me of proper football; the polar opposite of much of what we witnessed at this world cup.
But back to dreadlock tugging. Why didn't I hear anyone talk about it on the 成人快手? Perhaps I imagined it? Perhaps my hard disk recorder was reprogrammed by fairies and I alone saw the foul, again and again?
I don't read newspapers but I was told a couple of days later that various German papers had printed stills of the abuse.
But no comments on the Beeb. Just the constant moaning and groaning from 'analysts' who bemoaned England performances whilst always predicting 'a win' in the next match. (Why? On what evidence?)
Of course, it was all Ronaldo's fault and no doubt the media will whip up enough hate that the premiership might lose one of its brightest stars.
The main 成人快手 web site's lead story after the France, Portugal match was about Ronaldo; not the French win.
Apparently it's all right for Gerrard to dive in internationals. Ian Wright stated that he did the right thing by cheating in a warm-up friendly, but when filthy foreigners do it they should be shot; even after a teammate has his privates stomped upon. And it isn't cheating to ask for a red card. Ronaldo was entirely correct. The foul was beyond the pale and could have injured the man for life.
If we are to emerge from this with any honour at all we must make sure that Rooney is charged by the police for his crime (for in any other situation, this is indeed assault) and that we remember how England cheated one of the weakest footballing nations on earth because a gangly striker couldn't get it done with his elbows (his usual tactic).
But hell, stomping on someone's balls is nothing compared to revealing, yet again, that 1966 was an aberration, that England live in a world where Scotland can beat them as many times as they get beaten, where England never beat Sweden and where Germany and Brazil and Italy and France and Argentina are and always have been, save for one moment when a referee lost his mind, very average indeed.
Graham Taylor thinks there are too many foreigners stealing places? No, there simply aren't enough quality English players. Surrounded by foreign quality, we have overrated them.
Reaching the quarter finals, for this team, was a huge achievement. The players should be congratulated. After all, this isn't cricket where you only have to beat three teams to be the best. This isn't show jumping where nine or ten rich people battle it out, this is football, this is where two hundred teams fight to be the best and England's players did fantastically well to reach a quarter final.
Stop suffering from delusions England. To complain that we only reached the quarter finals is to perpetuate a forty year old myth: that England can compete with the best. Enjoy the aberration of 1966 and enjoy the many great foreigners who play in England and enjoy watching average English players lifted by foreign teammates into 'world class'.
Finally, must we also berate Scolari for being passionate? Perhaps Portugal should hire an out-of-work Swede who knows as much about football as my late granny?
England, yer crap. Get over it. Any England player making mealy-mouthed statements about how they let us down should get a grip on reality. That was perhaps the best team England ever produced. They were lucky to get any results at all, and were it not for a violent act by a skinny guy they might have got what they deserved.
Until England acknowledges their real level, they cannot compete.
Stop blaming foreigners. Acknowledge reality then build on that. There's a reason that tiny teams do so well in the FA cup; our major teams are overrated and overpaid.
These are lessons that I doubt we'll learn. Eriksson is nothing more than a confidence trickster. And the England team is not even in the second rung of world football.
But until we acknowledge our true place we can never improve on a base that does not exist.
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Cheats never prosper.
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Unfortunately, I fear my money will have to go to a penalty shoot-out between Italy and France, exactly like their nail-biter quarter final match in 98.
I mean, the only goal scored against the Italians during the Cup was an own goal in the US-Italy match... here's hoping Barthez is up to the challenge!
Benjamin
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Just to add one more point. Didn't we all hate them (Portugal) before the England game. I know I did. I actually felt for Holland (who also cheated a little less than everyone is making out). I didn't even mind losing (it was expected) the game, but I want to lose the same way we lost in Italia 90 - To a better team who slog hard for 120 minutes. That's what I will remember in my last 30 seconds of life. The great BATTLES not the great SHOWS.
From now on the Italians will no longer be the recipients of my international distaste. That honor now belongs to the Portugizafreekick.
Watching Ronaldo cry was one of the great memories I will keep with me forever. They were tears of frustration that he could not con his way through another round. Not like the tears that Ballack, Lampard and Gerrard cried.
Go France (never thought I'd say that).
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There is a campaign to unseat Ronaldo from young player of the tournament
This was emailed to me - is it justified? The blatent attempts to deceive the referee by diving in the game against France alone means that Ronaldo doesn't deserve this acolade.
Read on..
There is a very real danger that Cristiano Ronaldo will be voted the
fans' best young player at the World Cup despite his
pouting,diving,pretty boy antics designed mainly to get himself a
lucrative transfer to Real Madrid and thus avoid the good kicking he
deserves from Wayne Rooney at Manchester United training.
He is currently 1st in the FIFA voting just ahead of Luis Valencia of
Ecuador. Please can everyone go to
and do the decent thing by voting for Valencia. It doesn't matter who
you support or if you haven't seen them play, just stop Ronaldo.
Takes 30 seconds...You know it makes sense!!!!
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Portugal鈥檚 players have dived, but they鈥檙e not the only ones and they were not being condemned so vociferously until they beat England. And let鈥檚 get this straight: England did not lose because of Portuguese play-acting or gamesmanship. We lost because a) we didn鈥檛 play well enough and didn鈥檛 score, b) Rooney got himself sent off, c) we took bad penalties.
As for Ronaldo, he is one of the worst divers in the world, but the abuse directed at him (some of it from TV pundits who really ought to know better) has been way over the top. What did he actually do? He protested against a foul on one of his team-mates 鈥 and if an English player had been stamped on, we would expect whichever England player was nearest to the incident to protest. Of course, he shouldn鈥檛 have got involved and no-one knows exactly what he said, but it was no worse than many of the other protests we鈥檝e seen at this World Cup.
As for him being responsible for Rooney鈥檚 sending-off, I can鈥檛 believe that people can鈥檛 see the simple logic here: the referee blew for a foul by Rooney before Ronaldo got involved, the only possible foul he could have blown for was the stamp. Now, it may not have been deliberate, but the referee clearly thought it was, otherwise he wouldn鈥檛 have blown for a foul. Therefore he was always going to send him off, regardless of what Ronaldo said 鈥 because every referee in the world would send off a player if he thought they had deliberately stamped on an opponent. Can someone please explain how this simple fact has escaped the grasp of so many people?
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Portugal are a good team. They didn't deserve to lose against France. That penalty was very soft.
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being impartialis tough when your nemesis is involved!
In my humble opinion, teh portoguese deserved atleast two yellow cards for diving, and Ronaldo was definitely one of them.
For the Final, France's victory will be a fairy tail ending but this world is a harsh place to live(ask brits, germans and perhaps argentinians as well).
Italy look stronger.
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Good argument, well made, but I would put forward that it is flawed as it is based on (as you say) "Ricardo Cavalho's vitals".
I seem to be in the minority, but I really don't see a foul being committed which deserves a yellow, let alone red, card.
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The British fans are merely looking for a scapegoat on Portugal and Ronaldo. Your football is very poor at the international stage; it is only overhyped in England. You are boring us international neutral fans - with your brooding. You will continue brooding, lamenting and scapegoating until you learn how to play good football just like mainland Europe.
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The 成人快手 is doing a really bad service to journalism with its reporting and analysis of Cristiano Ronaldo's performance in the latest matches of the World Cup. Phil McNulty's "Backlash begins for Ronaldo", for example, is far from balanced. It clearly enhances what England supporters claim to be Ronaldo's faults with its choice of language and its implicit assumptions. The 成人快手 is helping the hatred that is cultivated in England towards personality features of football players such as Ronaldo's emotional traits. By choosing to bring the issue onto the front page, by using a picture of a distraught Ronaldo and by offering condemnatory 鈥減redictions鈥 of Ronaldo鈥檚 future, the 成人快手 is contributing to a character assassination. As a media professor and as a regular reader of 成人快手 online, I am appalled by the 成人快手's partiality in this matter.
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The main reason for the crowd's reaction is reflected in the fact that the club for which Ronaldo plays believes itself to be above the law. Thus their players feel they can get away with anything as no-one would dare pull them up (this includes other players from the same club who appeared in the World Cup)
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I am English and I was very happy to see Portugal out of the world cup. I dont consider myself to be bias in any shape or form but France have been one of the better sides in this years world cup and it would just be fantastic to see them go to the end and win the final prize. Jorge Larrionda handled the diving form the Portuguese side very well and maybe he should have given them more yellow cards but then again this would have interrupted the flow of play. Well done.
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Well, i have to admit wanted the french to win last night and i have to say it was because of Ronaldo's
behaviour in the game against england in particular but in general because of the cynical way they play
i used to feel this way about Italy but they have improved a great deal.. I'm afraid Portugal
have taken their crown. It would have been a travesty had Portugal got through using such tactics
as falling, diving, hassling the ref etc. They played very well in the second half and there was really
no need for these cynical tactics. But they weren't good enough, just like england.
Portugal act like a desperate team and it shows when things are not going their way. See the Holland game?
They cheat to get any kind of advantage then complain that the referee was not fair..how ironic.
Further irony ...Portugal think they were unlucky, they were in actual fact very lucky in so far as they
did not receive aany yellow cards for constantly trying to fool the ref.
I i were a manager i wouldn't have him in my team no matter how good HE thinks he is.
It is a shame because the Portugese people are some of the most friendly people i have met.
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And as for Rooney, my belief is that the 'stamp' was a result of imbalance after being pushed & fouled
by the two portugese players. Looking at a still of the incident is totally misleading. It didn't
warrant anymore than a yellow. Given that i might be wrong consider that wouldn't have happened at all
had the referee given the foul on Rooney.. did he go down.. no ..and this is what he gets for his persistence to win the ball..
that is, to actually play. I think you could tell by the way Rooney was prodding Ronaldo that he couldn't
quite believe that Ronaldo was pressing for a serious offence to be considered by the referee.
Oh and did you see the sly words Ronaldo gave Rooney earlier and the little head butt to the back of his head.?
Then of course the wink to the bench.
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I agree with you..France looked tired in the second half and this is clearly why they went out to score
early.. they were by far the better side in the first half. It was quite the opposite with Italy against
Germany where they only seem together better.. I think Italy will win say 2-0/2-1.
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Perhaps you haven't gone far enough. The majority of players do it. I can't say everyone, but certainly the majority. It's why I'm out of love with football.
Players spend 90 minutes trying to convince the referee that something did or did not happen.
Then at the end of the game, they go on record as saying "The referee's mistake cost us, the referee was not goodd enough"
As such, football games are often simply not credible contests
I'm afraid there will always be an element of cheating in pro sport - there's so much at stake - but when cheating becomes a skill on a par with passing or shooting ? The credibility of the contest is lost.
The solution is striaght red cards for simiulation, or suspected simulation. Sure, there'll still be wrong decisions - but the game will be cleaner and credible once again.
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the state of current football disgusts me and fifa are too scared to do anything about the constant diving and berating of the referee.
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forgot portugal and certainly ronaldo.
its time to make the premier back into english football. a very low limit should be put on the number of foreign players in a team.
or even less points for a win if you play several foreigners???
after all look at chelsea, heavy bias on international stars. its hardly a recognisable team sheet from what you would have seen even 10 years ago.
of course were bitter about englands loss, but the future will not change until we begin investing in home grown talent.
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I think you are right that there is more stick for Portugal because they beat England but I definitely think there is a wider issue here which is crucial to the future of the game. The fact is, people are getting fed up of the behaviour of players.
I go to a lot of matches in England (QPR mostly) and watch a lot of games on Sky. I am tired of seeing vastly overpaid players conning fans and other teams by cheating. This World Cup has been blighted by face clutching, diving, fake yellow card brandishing and whining. People who pay to watch games deserve better than to see them decided as a result of diving - eg Aus v Ita. It is infuriating to see highly paid "professionals" doing this. Not to mention the impression and "example" they give to youngsters.
Football is shooting itself in the foot and crowds will suffer. FIFA have promised to deal with it but have fudged the issue. Refs are not issuing cards for simulation anywhere near enough. Send the cheats off (with a huge fine) and that will make them think twice.
On the subject of FIFA, they seem to be conducting a witch hunt against Rooney. He has to apologise yet they allowed Figo to get away with a headbut through sleight of hand. No wonder FIFA have little respect from ordinary fans.
Italy and Germany restored some of my faith in the game on Tuesday. It seemed they made a point of trying to get up quickly and play the game the right way. More of that is needed or I am defecting full time to cricket which is a much fairer game!
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I remember the great Portugal team of 1966 - one the best and most sporting sides of the World Cup finals in England.
In the semi-final England played Portugal and won 2-1. One of the best matches I have ever seen.
When Bobby Charlton opened the scoring for England, every member of the Portugal team went up to him and congratulated him.
How times have changed.
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stop gettin worked up about ronaldo and start considering how mr eriksson managed to mould a group of talented
players into one of the poorest teams in the tournament. wool, eyes, pull!
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I remember the great Portugal team of 1966 - one the best and most sporting sides of the World Cup finals in England.
In the semi-final England played Portugal and won 2-1. One of the best matches I have ever seen.
When Bobby Charlton opened the scoring for England, every member of the Portugal team went up to him and congratulated him.
How times have changed.
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in my eyes, what goes around comes around, this may well be the case with the dubious case of Mr Henrys goal. There must be such a thing as karma!!
Yes it is not just Portgual who are guilty, but not so much on a consistant basis. After the group games Portgual know they were not up to standard of the teams they were playing, they only way they could get through was stooping to this low level. first of all, one of the dirtiest games of world cup history against holland, then the childish antics of ronaldo against england, running 50 meters to be the first player in the referees face, then the blatent diving of postiga, ronaldo, and pauleta. The problem is these guys are role models and the kids who watch these games think its ok. Fifa need to stamp this out now, it is the only negative that I can pick out for this world cup.
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I commend the reception Ronaldo got on Wednesday, he had no right whatsoever to get involved in the Rooney incident and the wink that was caught on camera following the event has infuriated myself and many others even more - however I have to admit that had I not been English, I would probably not hold too big a grudge against Portugal as a whole.
It's very tight, but my money is on Italy for the final. Much of France's success will depend on how good a game Zidane has, and Italy's defence has looked impressive throughout the tournament. I'm going for a close 1-0 win to Italy.
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Once again you repeat the canard that Rooney STAMPED on Carvalho's vitals, as you so delicately put it. I would suggest to you that that statement implies a malicious intent, which was totally lacking from the actual incident. With two Portuguese players pulling at him from behind at no point did Rooney turn round to size up a target. He's simply trying to remain on his feet. That he puts his foot down on Carvalho in attempting to do this does not justify the referee's decision and it's just ridiculous to reiterate this bien-pensant attitude towards his dismissal. That is why everybody is so aggrieved at the referee's actions. Does Phil McNulty know of a secret form of levitation hitherto unknown to footballers let alone the average hack on the street?
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Yes, please let the Azzurri win this tournament. With all due respect to France and Zidane, they still haven't really convinced me in the way Italy have - in fact, they seem to resort to tactics the latter are always accused of. Apart from that, they've surely won enough in recent years, including that Euro 2000 title they snatched from the unhappy Italians. Forza Azzurri!
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On the strength of the semi-finals I think Italy will win it on Sunday. On strength of the whole tournament I think Italy deserve it more than France anyway.
Fabio Cannavaro has been the player of the tournament and it is about time a defender won the golden ball over a striker as a striker has won it in all but one of the previous tournaments.
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Dear Mr McNulty,
You may condemn the others, perhaps more skilled divers, but not defend Portugal. They have brought the art to a new low, worthy of an all-in-wrestling script but not smart enough to present to good Uruguayan ref. More of him and less of them should improve the quality of football.
Barry Walton
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the real guilty men behind diving and cheating are the games bosses who have allowed this behaviour to flourish from the board room downwards making the motto "win at all costs" all that matters.
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Phil,
where did you find a Nuremberg to Berlin connection that takes 6 1/2 hours? Even according the Deutsche Bahn's website there's a direct ICE-train evey two hours with a total journey time of 4.29hrs... But apart from that, sorry our country is still that big ;-)
As far as C. Ronaldo is concerned: It's probably just an issue of gravity that's so much stronger around him than anywhere else...
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I'm an asian living in Germany and I have no real favourites at the World cup now that Germany is out. I actually think Rooney deserved the red card and that Ronaldo's role was minor in getting him sent off. His teammate was badly fouled so rooney deserved what he got. If it was the other way round and rooney was the injured party, England would have been crying bloody murder.
But I digress - I have to adree with Ralph. Portugal has to quit faking injuries and fouls if they are going to gain ANY respect - thats is tantamount to cheating and nothing is more intolerable than cheating at a sport. It goes against the very point of sport! And if thats what Portugal has to do to get themselves in a better position to score a goal, then they don't deserve to be champions and deserve to be condemned for their ridiculous conduct.
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I'm Portuguese but am currently working in London. Every day even before the game between Portugal and England I've been reading the newspaper and I think it's a shame that the british press denegrates Portugal since the beginning of the World Cup! Why? To try to affect the Portuguese team and help England go trough or just because you dont care about anyone and need to attack in order to win! Before the game we had against Holland the press was already saing Holland was going to be the team who was going to play against England. They were wrong again!!! We beat the english because you were the weakest team. That's the true story! About yestarday match I know Portuguese palyed better over the french team but we lost the match and that's what futbol is all about...sometimes you win others you loose!!! We have to score in order to win and we didnt. The important is to be with the team because they did a great job and I'm proud of them!
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The anti-Portugal feeling exists right now in countries like England or France and comments like yours are to blame. I am not astonished by such anti-Portugal feelings by the people on the streets of England but I never saw such an organized media campaign against one country.
Speaking of anti-Portugal feelings, if you're a serious journalist you should have read the polls. In BRazil, 75 per cent of brasilians suported Portugal. In Argentina, 57 per cent of people suported Portugal.
But the worst is that we still mantain your anti-Portugal campaign. Now you are creating a campaign against Cristiano Ronaldo. You were quick to forget french dives yesterday.
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Well I will like to say that, its a real shame from English Fans with the boos on Ronaldo cos they lost to Portugal. I dont think they will ever win the World cup. Their Fans has cursed them. With this attitudes towards young talents such as Ronaldo, they aint going anywhere near the cup. I am a great admirer of Talents all over the world and hate to see this disgustful behaviour from the fans. Why aint the Fans booing the refree who gave their golden boy Rooney the card. England Fans change.
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In reply to Phil McNulty, Rooney getting sent-off for 'treading' on Carvalho would have been quickly avioded had the referee given England a free-kick 5 seconds previous to the incident. Ronaldo's actions exacebated the referee's reaction, whether influential or not. Rooney's incident should have been easily avoided and nobody seems to know what Carvalho was doing 'off his feet'. Blame in this order- Slow reaction to foul on Rooney by ref,Carvalho off his feet, Ronaldo making out there had been a drive-by shooting! Rooney trying to stay on his feet as he was off balance and could have easily collapsed, Ronaldo-esque. Get your perspective in order please!!
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How can you say Rooney stamped on Cavalho's vitals? You must be the only Englishman that thinks so. You've spent too long in Germany. Get back to Blighty and reality. As far as the nation is concerned Rooney did no wrong. England were cheated out of the World Cup by the ref and Ronaldo.
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Let's be clear about one thing: the fact that the english and the french are against portugal and dedicate their time slagging them off is because they feel threatened.
Cristiano Ronaldo, considered the best young player in the world by FIFA, had to be the main target. And it gets people jealous the fact that Portugal, a small and poor country, has the best goal keeper in the world, with record on penality defence.
Let's check the game facts then, shall we?:
- thuram and zizu both desearved 2 yellows at certain points of the game. If they had gotten it, they couldn't play in the finals. Now we don't want that, do we?
- GAME NUMBERS:
total shots on goal: P 12 - 5 F
Ball possession: P 59% - 49% F
Penalties: P 0-1 F says
- the fact that the crowd kept boo-ing at C. Ronaldo made it easier for the French. They only needed to hear to boos, and be sure that one of the fastest players in the world was on his way.
.... nothing more to say.
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Am I alone in thinking that Henry dived for the French penalty? He certainly went down very easy, I'm not sure it was as clear cut as the commentators made out (but they all wanted Portugal to lose anyway after knocking England out!)- for all his great skill he has started showing a more cynical side as seen in the Champions League final and the game against Spain.
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Why do you blame Ronaldo for England loss? It was Rooney's moment of maddnes. I did not see that Portugal was playing more dirty then England especially Holand. It is always somebody else's fault when England goes out.
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You should be moderators, not censors
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As much as we demonise Portugal and little non-achieving Ronaldo for what they did to England, they were also just as bad in their previous game - that record breaking affair against the Dutch. Yesterday's game made it 3 offensive performances in a row, and as much as we moan about something needing to be done, and are told that this is part of the modern game, Rooney's stamp was the result of his determination to stay on his feet and not rely on the referee seeing what was a legitimate foul on him. He should not have gone down if he could stay on his feet, but he might have stopped and put his hands in the air to indicate that he could go no further. In the end, the ref didn't blow for the fouls on him, and in his general frustration in that failed 4-5-1 formation he lost his cool.
Meanwhile, Portugal are serial offenders. The entire team seems to be going out onto the field of play with the sole intention of winning fouls and penalties unfairly, getting other players carded and sent off, in every single game they play.
It's not just called 'cheating' in inverted commers. It IS cheating.
Whichever country you come from, it's still cheating. It's not right when Ballack does it, or Henry or anyone else, but whereas these players can be accused of one-off offences, the entire Portugese team are diving deliberately ALL THE TIME!!!
And they have had no reason to stop, as the referees seem to think they've already received all the punishment they deserve from that one game against the Dutch. Everything subsequently has already been credited to their account.
My take on it is that they received several yellow cards and 2 sending off's against Holland because they deserved them. So did Holland. But there is no reason to allow them carte blanche to just come back and carry on as before. Wrong is Wrong and that's the rules of the game. If they can't play the game they shouldn't be there.
They certainly don't deserve to finish 4th if they haven't been able to score a goal in open play since the early minutes against Holland.
(did you like what I did there?)
So let's all enjoy the final. Italy's last minute goals in their last game were inpirational. Good luck to our wonderful hosts, I hope they have a strong ref to ensure their 3rd place result.
(yup, did it again.)
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Forget about the England game.
Portugal are a very poor side who cheat to make up for their shortcomings.
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I really think many of you have missed the point here. Has the Portuguese side taken more dives than their competition? -- probably. Credit the French masterminds for spending the two days prior to the match repeatedly answering press questions with their "quiet" concerns for the Portugese divers. They answered every second question with an add-on comment hoping that the refereee for their upcoming match did not "fall" for Portugal's theatrics. This was a deliberate, and apparently effective, approach to the game as not one of the 50/50 calls seemed to go their way. Ronaldo is a brilliant player but Scolari must teach him to internalize his anger as his regular emotional reactions are making him a target for scorn and this is baggage he must avoid bringing to the national team.
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I'm a Scot - interest declared - but I wasn't unsympathetic towards England early on in their bid to be World Champions.
Having witnessed the 成人快手s coverage of the Portugal-France match last night I was both shocked and disappointed at the sheer bitterness that pervaded the whole program!
From the clips at the start purporting a "vintage" France and an utterly villainous Portugal through to Motty's commentry - twice he mentioned Carvalho as "the man involved in the Rooney incident". The implication being that Carvalho deliberately placed his vitals under Rooney's boot in order to get him sent off! Dispicable!
Portugal (leaving aside their theatrics for the moment) have produced some excellent football throughout this World Cup, as much if not more than many of the senior teams. No mention of this last night - the only clips we saw of Portugal at the end of the coverage were "how not to play" clips of Pauleta and ones ridiculing Ronaldo's performance - who incidentally was arguably the best player on the night.
Diving - don't 99% of them do that? Henry against Spain and again to get the penalty against Portugal - slight touch and he was down. How does it differ from Ronaldo's dive at the other end - slight touch and he was down? It differs thus: Portugal are particularily bad at it - way too theatrical. Henry had it down pat. The reason Henry gave for the incident v Spain (which also resulted in a goal) was that "they" were cheating too so this, by implication, was an evening-up of the scores. But that's why all players do it, Portugal's included, and it's no excuse!
What hurt most was that this (surprising) 成人快手 negativity and bitterness ruined the event. The occasion of two titans of the game, Zidane & Figo, at the end of their respective World Cup careers facing up in a final confrontation was lost in the vitriol and recrimination that was English inability to accept defeat and move on. The fact that a Scotsman & Irishman failed to give much balance to the affair only made it worse.
Does anyone remember the "hand of God" incident? Argentina were vilified for years after that. I suppose an England player would immediately own up to such a thing: "Hold on ref, that wasn't a goal. 'Fraid I put it in with my hand. Don't know what I was thinking just there!".
Can't really see it, can you?
Perspective is all!
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I agree with adam, i did not think it was deliberate foul either it looked to me if rooney lost his balance, and I am sure if he had deliberately stamped on his "tomatoes" he wouldn't have been able to get up so quickly ( still what do I know I am a woman) I also agree that Ronaldo is a brilliant player and shouldn't have to rely on cheating but unfortunatley that is the way Portugal think the game is won, there is far too much of it and as soon as there is an agreement with the footballing officials to send off players we might get rid of this nonsense
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Italy just looks to be perfectly on form right now. They have the stamina, the discipline, a TOUGH defence and strikers who can score goals. If Domenech comes up with just Henry up front, France has no chance.
However, I hope it will be an exciting game. After scoring the goal last night, France seemed to hide around their on goal.....
Well, may the best team win !
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I love the Portuguese posts about the English being bad losers. I don't remember Portugal providing a great example of sportsmanship after their semi final defeat in Euro 2000. Three players banned for a total of two years, the Portuguese FA fined 拢70,000 for attacks on UEFA officials? And that was for the referee daring to be right and award a penalty against them!
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I am Hungarian, but because my country's football has been absolutely useless since the past 40 years, I have been a Portugal supporter since quite some time. Which I guess does make me slightly biased. I admit, there was some diving going on in yesterdays game. But overall, I do find that Portugal did play better, and deserved that win. Maybe if Scolari would finally realize that Pauleta is TOTALLY useless, and put in N. Gomes, they would start scoring more goals!
But my main problem was not that Portugal lost, but the comments of the 成人快手1 guys after the match. Their comments against Portugal was almost disgusting. Things like "Portugal didn't deserve to win", and "they should never have gone this far" (these were just some of the lighter comments) were wrong. It was also hypocrytical, because in the beginning of the match, they stated that any team that makes it this far, is good, and deserves to be there! And during the match, they even said how well Portugal is controlling the game, and that Ronaldo is doing well.
Anyway, I just think that English people hate Portugal so much because they knocked their country out yet again. It's ok to be annoyed, but the way the 成人快手 and the rest of English fans are towards Portugal is much too harsh and even immature.
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We have conveniently forgotten that we have benefitted from such tactics in World Cups - Michael Owen against Argentina 4 years ago, Gary Lineker against Cameroon (Twice).
After the Cameronn clip was recently shown the panel joked with Gary Lineker and it was all very light hearted.
Last night, the same panel could be heard calling for Red cards for diving. Was mention made of our history or present players that tend to fall over in minimal contact?
If FIFA took a measured consistant approach to the behaviour of players on the pitch it would at least be a start.
Since when did conclusive tv coverage of a head butt by Figo warrant just a yellow card but inconclusive evidence on a stamp warrant a witch hunt. Given Rooney's reputation there may be enough to suspect him of such a thing but the evidence is hardly conclusive.
Whilst FIFA, UEFA and all other national governing bodies fail to act then the more Managers and players will try to exploit the situation.
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Want to know why I despise so much about professional football?
Check out what would happen to any professional golfer caught cheating, they would be banned for life.
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I am still not convinced that Rooney *stamped* on Carvalho. He clearly trod on him but there is a big difference. The referee blew for a foul but he didn't reach for his pocket until after the events Ronaldo set in motion.
Spotting an opportunity Ronaldo called for a red card and Rooney stupidly rose to the bait by shoving him in anger and disbelief. In so doing he simply watered the seed of doubt that had been successfully planted in the referee's mind.
If referees could never be influenced by player protest, then why would players bother?
They do so because it can, and did, work. Ronaldo thought so and winked.
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Have we forgotten which team our English lads played against when our conquer and super star of the furture Wayne Rooney first broke his legs. Yes it was those divers from Portugal, the culprits for breaking his legs. Watch the video again, Wayne was just preventing his feet from tying up after the ref did not even blow on the foul caused by the so called victim himself and Figo. What would we have said if Cavalho broke Rooney's leg again. . As we all know the Brits are fighting champs and with the players we have I am only surprise Beckham being the captain did not lead a mutinty against the Swede to play the game they know how. . God Save the Queen. . .
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I am Portuguese and I think it is phenomenal that everyone is only looking at the Portuguese actions. We have to thank the Italians and the French for the so well known diving. The English press decided to attack Portugal and it has not stopped. If I remember there was another team, Holland, and they kicked Ronaldo on purpose and no red card was given. If it had been Rooney instead of Ronaldo probably the world would have finished by now.
To me when English are cheering for the French team just proves that they hate those who beat them. If it had been the French beating England, probably the English would be supporting Portugal. I say England played better. The difference was a FANTASTIC RICARDO. And could someone please tell Pauleta how bad he did for his team and his country. Let him play in the qualifications match but keep him out of the big games.
I agree Portuguese went over the top but so did Thierry Henry (Spanish match) and no one talks about his actions. It would be fantastic if Ronaldo had a direct line with God so the referees did what he wanted. Somehow I do not think that this is the case.
In the end of the day is just football... once known as the beautiful game.
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I hear all this talk of severe punishement for diving, and I think that it would work. But it's not going to happen.
There is no way FIFA will set up a comittee of dive-watchers to review every game and hand out suspensions.
What needs to happen is free-kicks (not Yellow or Red cards) should be given out for diving. And faking an injury should be at least yellow, delay of game should be yellow.
If you make the diving calls discretionary then the ref won't hesitate to call dives MORE OFTEN. I think the problem is that since diving is a YC the refs don't like calling unless they are 100% sure, and they are almost never 100% sure.
If players are giving up important free kicks in their zone everytime they dive, or losing the advantage on a good scoring chance due to a dive, just watch how quickly that will change.
As for the England situation, they simply played terrible, they had a terrible formation, terrible picks. I pin it entirely on sven.
On another note Portugal is one of the most deceitful teams i've ever seen play.
that's what i think.
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english are HORRENDOUS LOOSERS
its as simply is that
don麓t worry, 2008 will come, and we will send you out, once AGAIN
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By virtue of the publicity the Premiership gets through extensive world wide coverage, the English seem to enter every tournament believing they are virtual champions! Let's face it, if a mortal player from Equador had done to Rooney what he did to Carvalho, the imagination boggles at the potential reaction. I feel that football has become the exclusive club of the traditional rich elite nations and as soon as a smaller country like Portugal enters the fray, they are crucified by the press and everyone seems to follow suit.Shamefull!!!
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It seems to escape England's attention that major tournaments are played in the summer, and British bulldog tactics just don't work in the heat.
We don't have the skills to play elegantly and the ugliness of our approach to the game is in itself tiring.
For me, Italy's performance was about as good as it gets, but that requires brain power and I don't detect any of that in the England setup.
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Ronaldo's a fantastic, exciting football player but an awful sportsman. He ends up on the floor after vitually every move. It's the consistent attempts that gets on people's nerves.
I think I can remember the few times Owen's dived for England and even Gerrard as well, but Ronaldo does it a couple of times every game, for Man U. as well as Portugal.
I actually think he was fouled a few times in the game last night and didn't get the free kicks because of the amount of times he dived previously.
Had Ronaldo been in Rooney's position the other day, he would have gone to ground at the first opportunity and not got stuck in and eventually fouled someone (I think it was deliberate on Rooney's part and deserved the red card, by the way).
Some countries and players have the view that being wily (I'm trying to be as generous as I can) is an admirable quality, but the English seem to prefer grit, determination and fair play.
Maradona confirmed this when he spoke about that fantastic goal he scored against England when he carved through half our team. He said that he couldn't imagine he would have been able to do that against many other teams, as they would have just hacked him down, long before he got near the goal.
I felt rather proud on hearing this.
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Rooney stamped on a fellow professional, Ronaldo winked at a team mate, and Ronaldo is the one to be despised?
Fact is, England weren't good enough like they haven't been good enough for forty years.
Bekham was hauled over the coals for getting sent of in 98. History was rewritten to blame Simone.
Didn't take quite as long to rewrite history this time did it?
I'm happy for England to blame Ronaldo for them going out.
If they don't admit to their own failings they will never learn and remain a laughing stock in world football.
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Rooney was fouled before the so called stamping issue. The refereeing at this World Cup has been very poor - so much so that England matches apart there has been less interest than expected. Pubs showing the matches have not had to increase their bar staff.
A number of football fans have commented to me that what they have seen wasn't football and I totally agree. The antics of the play actors should be stopped but if not then may I suggest that England go on a pre competition acting course with emphasis in diving and looking to be in pain. RADA (Royal Academy of Dramatic Art) is second to none I'm told and could give that winning edge.
FIFA with the mountain of film evidence has chosen to do nothing except to display fair play notices - what a joke.
Taking the Rooney incident - how quickly could a man recover from such an attack. No mention has been made of the how quickly the Portuguese player got up after Rooney was red carded.
Rooney has a temper and is easy to spark but the referee is there to protect the player which didn't seem to apply to Rooney. Rooney was fouled a few seconds before - as it was the first incident England should have been awarded the free .
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A lot should be learnt from this World Cup - lets hope that RADA restricts the course to those that deserve it - like Rooney. If he went down as easily as the opposition - could it have been if he'd fallen then the whole incident would have been reversed.
Rooney requires his temprement to play as he does - he just lacks that RADA edge.
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I find this completly stupid...
I may have bias being of Portuguese decent, and I do not condone the diving that some portuguese players have committed. I feel that FIFA should indeed stamp it out completly and punish players who do it, be them Portuguese, French, dutch, argentineans, english or whatever. but what I don't understand is why Portugal is being labelled as the team who cheated their way to the semi finals??
I have seen a poor attacking display from a portuguese team i will always support but that is the fault of a striker who really looks better on paper than on big stages like the world cup.
I knwo the display of the team and some of the antics didn't help Portugal's case but who here can honestly say they managed to subdue a referee and win a match from a dubious decision??
if there is no proof then surely Portugal played poor but enough to beat the other teams.
As far as the holland v Portugal match (which I am sure is the reason for all this labelling), it was a really a very abnormal match in which both teams displayed more passion than sense. I seriously do not condone what happened in that match from both sides but i attribute the fault to the referee...when dealing with "kids" like the players were being one has to affirm authority and the russian referee never asserted himself.
In retrospect I think Portugal did a very good world cup by reaching the last 4.they played with more heart and passion than sense at times though. I still don't condone the diving from certain players but that can easily be remedied. My hopes are that we will keep on being consistent as we have been and we will find a replacement for Pauleta and Figo (Quaresma, anyone??)
Also for all of you who find it appaling that there is diving and so called cheating within the sport, I suggest video refereing as a good solution.
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France didn't deserve this calculated victory. A smart dive put them in the finals.
The arbiter saw only one penalty: that is the advantage of being a big country. With these rules, a small country will never win a World Cup. It would be a shame for the "all mighty fox". These World Cup is a cheat.
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From what I've seen on this thread and others the Portuguese have got more of a chip on their shoulder even than us English. They seem to be blaming everyone on the planet for anything they can think of, while absolutely failing to look at themselves and admit that, just like the rest of us, they aren't perfect.
English football and football culture has plenty of faults, but the intolerance for players cheating their fellow professionals is not one of them.
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For me, this isn't an issue about whether England won or lost. Quite frankly, anyone watching them for the last 2 decades was expecting exactly that outcome.
The issue is not one about Ronaldo, either. He's a great but repulsive footballer, and he's done nothing recently for me to change that opinion. Rooney is a stupid young man who asked for what he got, deserved or not.
No, the issue is that Portugal's behaviour last night, from the constant protestations, via at least 3 clear dives in box (not to mention outside the box), to the haranging of the referee by Socalari, was quite disgusting. Yes, other teams dive; yes, other teams protest; yes other managers behave inappropraitely toward the ref; but not so consistently or blantantly within one game. No-one can honestly say these things did not happen, or that it did anything other than take away from Portugal's standard of football (good or bad). It would have been comical if it wasn't so sad.
It's sad because it shows how poorly the rules are enforced; how ill-disciplined the players are; and thus how dependent the game is upon the referee. I only wish FIFA took a more active interest in making sure the application of the rules was more consistent and, where necessary, retrospective. Let's face it, you don't need to go far - a trip to Twickenham or Lords would do - to learn how it could be done better.
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I would like to add my considered opinions 1) The diving in general in this world cup has been horrendous. Personally, if i had to pick a team to take honours it would be Portugal - but many others push them close. Everyone is talking about the German v Italy game as the shining light of gentlemans football. I think everyone is forgetting the only reason for that is the ref. In the first half an hour players were going down as per usual but the ref ignored them or even better told them to stop being big wuss's. After and only after they realised divers wouldn't prosper they stopped and the effect on the game was magical and we got the best game of the tournament by a mile!
2) I am english, but i am going to defend Ronaldo here. He saw, as did practically anyone else watching except those too blinded by misguided patriotism that his team mate had been stamped on. I don't consider myself a thug but when i play if i see my team mate get stamped on the least action i would consider taking is to ask the ref to do something. Rooney deserved to go and Ronaldo had every right to ask the question of the ref. If it had been a mistimed tackle or a dive by Carvalho i would have been screaming at the tv to book Ronaldo - but it was an act worth a sending off. No question
3) England were poor - it was unfortunate that in our best game of the tournament an idiot who should know better stamped on someone. Still, we played better without him but it was no-ones fault except our own team that we went out. We shuold learn to deal with it. I don't mind berating divers - but we are singling out a team and all too quickly forgetting others (even our own) because they are the ones who beat us.
4) We have been called bitter losers - i agree. However - i think we have every right to be bitter because we lost. I hate losing. I have seen very teams fans act with any real dignity after being knocked out - Ecuador is one, Germany, Brazil and mexico stand out. Portugal fans - your acting as we did (thankfully without the mindless violence) on these message boards. Except your team were just as guilty as Frances for diving (and Henry got kicked = penalty). We all need to grow up. We have a beautiful game here that if played right can do magical things for people. Lets all work togethor to sort it out. Diving is creeping more and more into the english game, lets sort it out there before we start getting onto other nations.
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Yes, the Portuguese dive. Big news, they have been doing it for years (Porto - UEFA Cup final Vs. Celtic, any game you care to mention on way to winning Champions' league), but so have every other nation. How convenient it is to forget Michael Owen's dive to get a penalty in 2002 against Argentina. Why is it that the English always seek a villain, someone to blame? The fact is, Rooney stamped on an opposition player, that's a red card, fact.
If we are going to moan about Ronaldo trying to "influence" the Ref to make what was in fact the correct decision, then why aren't we giving Ashley Cole the same treatment for trying to influence the Ref. NOT to send Rooney off (ie the wrong decision)?
All teams cheat, even good old honest England. It's a disgrace, but until FIFA actually stop mouthing off and actually carry through their threats to punish cheats, it will only get worse. Why not use video evidence and hand out ridiculously harsh punishments, such as 6 month bans for any player caught diving on camera? A crazy punishment, but I bet not one player would dive would they? Problem solved. Unfortunately FIFA spend all their time thinking up pointless, picky rules that kill the game as a spectacle, instead of addressing the real issues. Nice work Sepp.
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It is shocking how cheap and despicable you guys have all become. Ronaldo had every right to put his country before his Man United mate. After all the one who misbehaved was Rooney. He could have crashed CAVALHO's nuts. Don't make excuses your team was just crap at the world cup.
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Let us be clear that you lost to Portugal because you were frightened, and you didn鈥檛 play well.
Stop the excuses, and practice more.
How can you call yourselves journalists???
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I cannot believe that people think that Rooney 'stamped' on Carvalho. Having seen the replay several times it's blatantly obvious that there was no intent or malice whatsoever. For a start Carvalho was behind him. I know Rooney is good, but eyes in the back of his head. The Portuguese were unsporting in the England game, and despicable against France. I agree with one of the previous posters, why is it that Fifa punish fouls retrospectively with the benefit of video evidence, and yet turn a blind eye to the diving cheats??? It must be addressed, or else by their lack of action they are effectively condoning the cheating.
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Let us be clear that you lost to Portugal because you were frightened, and you didn鈥檛 play well.
Stop the excuses, and practice more.
How can you call yourself journalist???
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The thing that seems strange to me is that Ronaldo was getting better at staying on his feet at ManU, however, as soon as he gets back with his national side, hes right back at it again. I think Roy Keane had told him to quit it as that didn't fly in the Premiership. Don't get me wrong... he's a fantastically talented player and I don't think we should get rid of him because of one tournament, but you just don't do that against a team mate. Maybe I've just been watching too much hockey...because if you did that in hockey, I do believe you would get a visit to the dentist!
Bottom line is this diving is far too wide spread and some drastic changes must be made by FIFA or more and more teams will live by the whistle and honest teams will end up going home (England).
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Far too much anti english/portuguese sentiment in these posts. I thought this debate was supposed to be about the football, so why are various of the posters here insulting entire countries? Wayne Rooney's thuglike behaviour is not representative of all english people any more than Cristiano Ronaldo's oscar winning performances are representative of all portuguese. It's a shame that loads of people on both sides seem to think that behaviour in a football match entitles them to insult an entire nation of people. Wouldn't ever happen after a rugby match. Mind you, rugby players have far more integrity than their namby pamby little football counterparts!
England undeniably deserved to lose their quarter final. The question is, did portugal deserve to win it?
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I had a very strong anti-portugal sentiment after the "battle of Nuremburg" against Holland. Figo's headbutt and then the following dive , the persistent play acting and cheating that was present throughout and the general negative image of football they portrayed. When it came to the England game , I don't think it was wrong to expect that Portugal would play on the edge of the rules . It is a well documented fact that Scolari encourages his teams to commit fouls and to use every cynical avenue possible to win the game. I am of two minds , the first is of the Martin Luther "If the world ends tomorrow , I will plant my apple tree today" stance, which is to say that we must clean up the game once and for all and deliver severe punishments to those who play act, dive, signal bookings or dismissals to the referees and the second is that maybe we should be more dishonest, more cynical, note Ronaldo's agressive "headnudge" on Rooney at the start of the second half , if that had been the other way round Ronaldo would have fallen to the floor clutching his face .
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obviously were harder on portugal becasue they beat us... but thats common sense.
portugal are a bunch of cheats and ruined the world cup (not single handly cough... fifa cough)and i'm glad to see them go out. dives outside the box should yellow cards and dives inside should be reds... simply not awarding a dive is poor refereing cards must be shown. the fact the portugese team are just a bunch of cheats and cowards... they are footballs answer to cancer. people say england played poorly but atleast england were trying to win games and score 3 amazing goals ... portugal went 3 games without scoring a goal and apart from 'maniche' looked 'toothless'. fifa complete failure to host football (how is it possible to make a worlc cup bad... but seth blatter finds a way) means teams like portugal can get to semi finals. and england would of beat portugal if rooney was playing since they couldn't score a goal to save their life and we came closer then them with 10 men. portugal are scum (the team not the country... who are perfectly nice people) and nobody likes them... a bunch of diving cowards.
sorry if this poorly typed i just get annoyed reading engalnd fans support a team that robbed us
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it is time that fifa stood up and made a stand, i keep hearing people on tv saying "well there was contact!" im sorry but if im not mistaken contact does not equal foul! as for the portuguese diving this is not just ronaldo but a great number of there team, against england and france this was clear but put in context is a game of football. imagine then they are playing an arfican team for example, for many of the players it is there chance to change there lives and the lives of there family by putting themselves in the shop window, then along comes portugal in the first game and the player gets sent off for being within 3 foot of pauletta!!! bang goes his game but more importantly his and his familys big and possibly only chance!
the beautiful game is looking a bit more like an ugly sister right now.
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With all due respect, Portugal leaves Germany with the "fame" of divers and cheaters. Which is totally unfair and unwarrented.
Anyway, us portuguese, accept the refs decision yesterday, eventhough it's plane to see that, at the very best, it was a very close call for a penalty. Italy and France capitalized out of diving, Portugal never did so. If Portugal dives? Sure. Who doesn't? The two teams in the final did most of the diving, but for some reason, it's always about Portugal... We are the bad guys, the boogeyman. Why? Cos we're the only team in the last 4 that never won a WC, because we keep on beating England and Holland - nowadays only names and echoos of the past, nothing more.
What the brittish press have done, after what the dutch already had try to do in a totally unsportive and dirty fashion, is not even worth mentioning. English are sore loosers, with emphasis on the word "loosers". You try to destroy your own team with criticism and when you loose, espceially when you loose to a team that never won the WC but has been consistently better for the past 15 years, it hurts. And YOU lash, simply becauyse you don't know how to loose.
You should put your eyes in the "portuguese cheaters", who went down after a non existing penaly and the first thing they did was to congratulate the french (POR also doesn't beat the frogs since a long, long time). And still say, like me, France deserved to win. They were not the better team, Portugal did their duty - created chances - but couldn't score. Therefore, valid penalty or not, it's the refs call, we must accept it, it's part of the game. Move on and shut up.
About Ronaldo, well, I'm surprised the FA didn't release a statement, demanding and offical appology from Ricardo Carvalho for putting his testicles under Rooney's foot, as a clear attempt of sending him off.
Sure it doesn't look nice to see C Ronaldo asking the ref for a card. All this was 2 meters in the nose of the referee. While asking the ref to give another player a card is not nice, shoving isn't either. Both actions deserve a card. Maybe that's why Rooney got a red and not just a yellow. Portugal are the cheaters, but England's the one doing the shoving and the ball stamping.
These are facts. Not opinions.
You english (people) are sore loosers and have no fair-play whatsoever. Your players do, though (not Rooney, who honestly needed a smack or two when he was a kid). And I imagine I'm a bigger fan of the english team than yourselves. Because, actually I am and me too feel pitty that you don't reach higher. But the truth is that you've not deserved it latelly. Simple. When you realize England's problem is not the players, is not Sven, it's just ENGLAND itself, than you might actually grow up a bit.
Cheers. All the best. Good luck for Sir Alex, that now has to deal with two playground kids...
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obviously were harder on portugal becasue they beat us... but thats common sense.
portugal are a bunch of cheats and ruined the world cup (not single handly cough... fifa cough)and i'm glad to see them go out. dives outside the box should yellow cards and dives inside should be reds... simply not awarding a dive is poor refereing cards must be shown. the fact the portugese team are just a bunch of cheats and cowards... they are footballs answer to cancer. people say england played poorly but atleast england were trying to win games and score 3 amazing goals ... portugal went 3 games without scoring a goal and apart from 'maniche' looked 'toothless'. fifa complete failure to host football (how is it possible to make a worlc cup bad... but seth blatter finds a way) means teams like portugal can get to semi finals. and england would of beat portugal if rooney was playing since they couldn't score a goal to save their life and we came closer then them with 10 men. portugal are scum (the team not the country... who are perfectly nice people) and nobody likes them... a bunch of diving cowards.
sorry if this poorly typed i just get annoyed reading engalnd fans support a team that robbed us
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England blamed Ronaldo, Ronaldo has now blamed the ref. Everyone finds a villain for their defeat.
People forget football is entertainment. It will all be forgotten once the next villain pops his head above the parapet
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obviously were harder on portugal becasue they beat us... but thats common sense.
portugal are a bunch of cheats and ruined the world cup (not single handly cough... fifa cough)and i'm glad to see them go out. dives outside the box should yellow cards and dives inside should be reds... simply not awarding a dive is poor refereing cards must be shown. the fact the portugese team are just a bunch of cheats and cowards... they are footballs answer to cancer. people say england played poorly but atleast england were trying to win games and score 3 amazing goals ... portugal went 3 games without scoring a goal and apart from 'maniche' looked 'toothless'. fifa complete failure to host football (how is it possible to make a worlc cup bad... but seth blatter finds a way) means teams like portugal can get to semi finals. and england would of beat portugal if rooney was playing since they couldn't score a goal to save their life and we came closer then them with 10 men. portugal are scum (the team not the country... who are perfectly nice people) and nobody likes them... a bunch of diving cowards.
sorry if this poorly typed i just get annoyed reading engalnd fans support a team that robbed us
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it is time that fifa stood up and made a stand, i keep hearing people on tv saying "well there was contact!" im sorry but if im not mistaken contact does not equal foul! as for the portuguese diving this is not just ronaldo but a great number of there team, against england and france this was clear but put in context is a game of football. imagine then they are playing an arfican team for example, for many of the players it is there chance to change there lives and the lives of there family by putting themselves in the shop window, then along comes portugal in the first game and the player gets sent off for being within 3 foot of pauletta!!! bang goes his game but more importantly his and his familys big and possibly only chance!
the beautiful game is looking a bit more like an ugly sister right now.
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obviously were harder on portugal becasue they beat us... but thats common sense.
portugal are a bunch of cheats and ruined the world cup (not single handly cough... fifa cough)and i'm glad to see them go out. dives outside the box should yellow cards and dives inside should be reds... simply not awarding a dive is poor refereing cards must be shown. the fact the portugese team are just a bunch of cheats and cowards... they are footballs answer to cancer. people say england played poorly but atleast england were trying to win games and score 3 amazing goals ... portugal went 3 games without scoring a goal and apart from 'maniche' looked 'toothless'. fifa complete failure to host football (how is it possible to make a worlc cup bad... but seth blatter finds a way) means teams like portugal can get to semi finals. and england would of beat portugal if rooney was playing since they couldn't score a goal to save their life and we came closer then them with 10 men. portugal are scum (the team not the country... who are perfectly nice people) and nobody likes them... a bunch of diving cowards.
sorry if this poorly typed i just get annoyed reading engalnd fans support a team that robbed us
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it is time that fifa stood up and made a stand, i keep hearing people on tv saying "well there was contact!" im sorry but if im not mistaken contact does not equal foul! as for the portuguese diving this is not just ronaldo but a great number of there team, against england and france this was clear but put in context is a game of football. imagine then they are playing an arfican team for example, for many of the players it is there chance to change there lives and the lives of there family by putting themselves in the shop window, then along comes portugal in the first game and the player gets sent off for being within 3 foot of pauletta!!! bang goes his game but more importantly his and his familys big and possibly only chance!
the beautiful game is looking a bit more like an ugly sister right now.
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I support a Championship side in England, which unlike the Premiership isn't rife with players diving all over the place. Occasionally a player does try this method to decieve the referee and it instantly vilified by the watching crowd, opposition players and importantly often their own manager. When my team recently had a brief stint in the Premiership, it appears there different rules apply. And it is not just the foreign players who are guilty.
Diving is cheating, and I hate to see players do it. And yes, England players have occasionally gone down to easy, though at least they have the decency to only do so once contact has been made, unlike some of the players last night. But if the referees and FIFA don't do anything about it, if the cheats are allowed to win then it will only get worse. When you see good, talented players cheating, when they have the ability to win the match without doing so, that's when it's gone too far.
I just hope that when the Premiership starts next month that the English referees and the FA are strong enough to clamp down on this behaviour. If England wants to take the moral high ground they have ensure that diving is eradicated from the English game. Only then can the English lobby the rest of the world on this point.
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All this discussion about which team is most proficient at cheating and who are the worst losers is ridiculous. There is no debate - Portugal are the most proficient cheats, and Portugal are the worst losers... Does anybody disagree?? Portugal have beaten England yet again - they are bigger cheats, and worse losers BUT - when it comes to football...
Portugal were not good enough to beat England even when England were down to 10 men. England didn't "lose" - they were eliminated on penalties - it's not the same. Portugals record against England is very poor in fact, despite the fact that they have eliminated them from the last two major tournaments. As a Portugal supporter further up the Blog says, let's do it again, the sooner the better.
In the meantime, let's look forward to a final between two teams who can ACTUALLY PLAY FOOTBALL!! Also, let's hope that they DO play football, because, as we've seen, having the ability to play doesn't necessarily mean that teams use that ability. I just hope that both teams have a good game left in their legs - they should have, it's not like they're working 9 - 5 is it?
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There's an earlier comment from a Portuguese fan about how England failed to lose with dignity. Did I imagine Scolari's ranting at the ref last night, as well as the subsequent claims (by Scolari and Ronaldo)that Ronaldo was pushed by Sagnol, despite tv pictures showing it was a blatant dive?
Yes all teams cheat, all teams have players who take dives and harangue referees, but few seem to have adopted the mindset en masse quite like the Portuguese. They've been a disgrace to the tournament, collectively, from the manager down.
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Let's get a few things straight about all this anti Ronaldo/Portugal claptrap.Portugal didn't put England out by diving.Ronaldo didn't get Wee'un Rooney sent off... his disgusting stamp on a fellow professional got him (rightly) red-carded.
It would do the 成人快手 and their so-called experts more credit if they focused on how bad England played and put the blame on England's exit where it belongs, on the players and the coach.
Oh and isn't it interesting that all the focus is on diving and not on the violent conduct of Wee'un Rooney (stamping) and Peter Crouch (hair pulling)?
As for Ronaldo... being a Liverpool supporter I have no love for the guy.... but I have to say he is more sinned against than sinner. Go back and look again at the Holland match. The Dutch kicked him off the pitch. Against France he showed why he is without doubt the best young talent on show in Germany.
It's time for all the England boo boys to catch themselves on, grow up and recognise that England are not the World beaters your 成人快手 and press ALWAYS make them out to be prior to a major tournament.
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Can someone please tell Christiano Ronaldo that the French fans weren't booing him due to him being a dengerous player, but they were actually booing him because he is quite simply a cheat.
It is players like him who dive to try and win fouls, attempt to con the referee's and try to get fellow professionals sent off during matches at any level that are ruining football for everyone.
It has even got to a point where as a man who always dreamt or playing professional football as a bou am now more interested in watching cricket as, as we saw during the Ashes and recent Sri Lanka Text series' is played in a much more sporting manner yet still with both teams wanting to win every match.
FIFA need desperately to get to grips with this cheating that is ruining the sport of football, world-wide before it is too late.
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FACTS!!!
total shots on goal: P 12 - 5 F
Ball possession: P 59% - 49% F
Penalties: P 0 - 1 F
I have to say with 100% certainty that portuguese people are some of the most polite, honest, non-agressive, non-cheating persons in the world!
Now i also think they "dive" a lot in the games, I don't call that cheating, i call it STUPIDITY! If you are stupid enough to think they won ANY game because of ANY dive then you are just stupid, the referees are not idiots, most of the time when players dive they are only cheating themselves.
When I see portuguese players dive, i feel like if i was there on the field I would Kick them in the balls myself!!!
Cheaters? No, just a bunch of ps.
I also do not consider myself a bad loser, we lost, that's it congratulations to France.
Now about the facts, if you watched the game last night and think France Was the better team then there are only two possibilities, either you are blind or stupid.
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On the one hand the cheating has to be stopped but on the other hand I appreciate the reluctance of refs to book players given the difficulty of getting it right and the potential consequences. So why not make diving subject to post match video scrutiny in the same way as violent play?
The other issue no-one is talking about is the tournament format. A team winning 5 matches of which 3 maybe 4 are against poor opposition puts them in the final. The answer is to reduce the number of finalists and have more group stages.
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The bottom line, however, is that if Wayne Rooney had not stamped on Ricardo Carvalho鈥檚 vitals and seen red, there would be no room for discussion.
Well, said.
I know how it feels - as a Celtic supporter we were beaten by Porto in the 03 UEFA Cup Final. A final littered by time wasting and simulated diving. Don鈥檛 get me wrong Porto deserved to win a thrilling match - but their antics - orchestrated by a certain Special One on the touchline - left a bitter taste.
So who is to blame - Referees must stamp it out, as players obviously don鈥檛 care. No one is innocent lets not get all holier that thou over it!
England fans I understand how you feel - but don鈥檛 go over the top, show the rest of us that you are above that.
And as for Rooney - the sooner he grows up the better for football - he鈥檚 not innocent either he let all of you down.
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Dictionary - a 'swk', welsh term pronounced 'sook'
definition - bad loser babby arse
As a welshman who supported England through this tournament i was totally flabbergasted by the amount of bile poured out over ronaldo, fair enough the portugese are a bunch of cheats who would fall over under the force of a fart, but to blame ronaldo and his ilk for all your world cup woes is little less than ridiculous stop shifting the blame, your crap, get over it and do something about it
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What a world of hypocrisy and revenge we live in!
Just imagine it had been the other way round: Cristiano Ronaldo had 'attacked' Rooney's tender parts(?)instead ? By goom , what would have the english done?! Although Rooney may be a ood player, he embodies english hooliganism.
The portuguese players may comical divers and be branded villains but I am proud of them, they worked hard and above all the portuguese people behave in a dignified manner anywhere they are and have the english forgotten how the portuguese people received and welcomed them in the Euro 2004?
And as for the 成人快手 coverage last night, it was shameful!
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Unfortunately, we shall hear this every time England fail to win a tournament. England cannot lose without plumbing the depths of national hatred ("the cheating foreigner" etc). One day some people will wake up and realise they do not rule the world (including the football world).
Portugal have some very good players; but they are not good enough to win the World Cup (neither are England).
Sadly, amongst all this frenzy, the fact is C.Ronaldo and Rooney are amongst the best young players of 2006!
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This is for all those spiteful english supporters out there who blame ronaldo for your downfall.
Im glad to see those pitiful people who are trying to hijack the young player of the tournament competition are completely wasting there time.
Fifa have more intelligence than to leave an award like this the the narrow minded people of your country.
The top 3 on this poll get their names on the shortlist of 6 with the remaining 3 chosen by Fifa which means ronaldo is a certainty to be on this shortlist.
Grow up and accept the truth,poor manager and overrated players,stop looking for scapegoats.
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Diving is a cancer spreading through the game. It seems to me obvious that FIFA should start using retrospective bans for diving. Ronaldo does dive yes, as does rooney, cole, gerard etc. The reason that everyone hates him is because he is smug little c*** with an repugnant air of arrogance that defies belief.
On thing that I don't understand about this whole world cup is why less of an emphasis has been put on blind luck. What if carvelhos "tomatoes" hadn't positioned themselves under rooneys foot? what if one of the penalty appeals had been given? what if carraghers penalty hadn't been retaken? People seem to need someone to blame be it Sven or Ronaldo. Why can't people just accept that eventually England produced a good performance but shit happens and we got knocked out. The best team rarely wins a cup competition - look how many cups Liverpool have won recently ;-)
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I am half British and half Portuguese. Whilst the blatant diving annoys me greatly, it is something that could easily be stopped by FIFA. However there is something else worse at work here.
What is worse for me is the disgusting behaviour of the tabloids and now the Match of the Day panel last night. The papers in the run up to the Quarter Final were disgraceful using every cheap innuendo and stereotype they could find to demean the Portuguese. I have supported Portugal over England ever since Euro 2000, when the papers used the exact same tactics to supposedly fire up a nation. In that tournament Portugal beat England 3-2, without controversy. In Euro 2004 Portugal again won without controversy of their own making. What short memories you all have.
Now we have the Beeb joining in with complete bias from the start of the programme. Thats the real disgrace. You found your scapegoats in Portugal and Ronaldo, and boy did they use them. How fitting that you chose to ignore the track record of France in this tournament for diving and gamesmanship, which on closer look is far from clean. Yes Henry was touched on the penalty, where was the questioning of the dramatic fall that followed it. Also how ironic that you should show the 1984 Portugal-France Semi Final before hand. A free kick won by the great Platini by a dive for the first goal, and then an even worse swan dive in the build up to their second goal. This is not something new
As for this tournament and England, Joe Cole, Gerrard, Ashley Cole and Beckham(who is a serial faller to the ground) have all been guilty in this tournament.
Get of your high horses and get on the even higher ones that needs to see bad sportsmanship stopped once and for all. Both of Sunday's finalists have been guilty in this tournament. Also do you remember who the hosts coach is? Remember how he used to play. Stop acting so damned surprised.
The golden generation get away with dreadful play and lack of preperation by a useless coach because the bad boy Ronaldo was a bad sport. When will the inquiry into England's failure start. Probably never.
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I would urge the 成人快手 to end this World Cup's coverage with a montage of dives taken from every team in the tournament. This is my defining memory of this particular WC.
This might at least highlight the extent of the problem and force FIFA into some action.
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Clearly the Portuguese were diving. However, the rubbish coming out of Shearer's mouth is ironic given his performances over the years. Let's make no bones about it - cheating is endemic in football there are no innocent parties.
One further note, huge irony about Rooney not being mentioned on the 成人快手, which is you ask me is far, far worse that fake diving. The whole Ronaldo affair is laughable, for example: I am a Liverpool supporter but the crap coming out of Steven Gerrards mouth about sportsmanship and Ronaldo is ill-advised. So Stevie, is this like holding your club to ransom for 2 successive summers.
Time for England to move on and stop letting these little upstarts talk themselves up, only to let themselves down...talking on the pitch with results only!
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about the current world cup, why don麓t you see how the countries of the nothern europe are always damaged nor only during the machtes (when the players of latin and other corrupted countries take decisive advantage of the simulations, cheats, etc. just like the examples of Portugal, Argentina etc.) but also during the organization of the crossings between the first teams of each 8 groups (i am brazilian and can afrimate that Brazil, although its football's superpower, would never accept play against one of the others great 4 (Argentina, Italy, Germany) before the semi-finals. If Brazil had the same titles and previous results of Holland, Sweden, Chek republic, never would accept dont be one of the first 8 (loosing this positons for Spain and portugal, both with smallers results in the world and euro cup, is really only coincidence that the victims are all nothern europeans and the unfair beneficiated are countries well knew by the extremely levels of corruption, inside the football and refereeings also...?)
there are so many examples...
it's unecessary go forward with other ones,
i hope you, in the sports, follow the example of Italy and Argentina, with smaller population
they choosed one single national sport (in the case football) and without needed to use non-nationals among the players, they get always everything that the team deserve or more than deserverd... never permiting be damaged by the refereeings or the other lobby and extra-field factors... even (untill the fairness be followed by all the teams) using the poison of the lobby and the cheating etc. that who didnt create, certainly would doing nothing more than starting defending themselves after 100 years of passive and "dumb" victims that never learn with the experience's lessons).
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Cristiano Ronaldo may well be a fabulous footballer, but as a rugby union referee of many years, and now a ref's adviser, I deplore anyone who seeks to gain an advantage by CHEATING. And that's what he spent most of his time doing during the 210 minutes of football I watched involving the Portugese side. It saddens me that so much time is given to his kind of theatricals, when, for example Argentina and Mexico produced such a wonderful display of football earlier in the competition, so much so that the neutral watcher was left feeling that it would have been sad that there had to be a losing side.
And what about the Germany/Italy match? What a great occasion that was, and how refreshing to watch two great sides play with such respect for each other.
Let's try to stamp out deceit in sport at any level
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Funny comments posted here by english people who lack fair-play...rooney is such an honest guy that i think he, iran's president and saddam will be together when they are about to enter heaven...or hell...more likely to be this one !!! it seems like the portuguese players where the only ones to dive...maybe the world cup tv coverage was not very good in your island because here in my country (Portugal) i saw a few players diving...and surprisingly or not they weren't all portuguese...maybe portugal didn't played as well as in Euro 2004 but at least we reached the semi-finals 3 times in the last 4 major football competitions...remind me what has done england in the last 4 major competitions ? you english people and people all over the world know the answer: england has done nothing !!! so i think the bitterness you are showing may have some relation to it...it is easy to blame the ohters for your failure...just another reminder...if it wasn't for the referee in 1966, england hadn't yet won a world cup...so my advice is the following: learn how to play football !!!! maybe with Mourinho (by the way, he is portuguese do you know?) teaching you'll reach the semi-finals of any major competion even if it is only in World Cup 2050 in Saturn or Euro 2052 in Mars...
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What a load of wingers the English are鈥︹.one thing for the Portuguese, they don鈥檛 through away their rattles (read flags) just because their team has lost鈥︹︹hey always support their team no matter what鈥︹︹t least Rooney found something to step on between the Portuguese player鈥檚 legs鈥.the same can not be said about most English player鈥檚鈥︹..England, STOP WINGING and do something about it!!!
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English:
make a real player out of rooney. Is a bloody good player but he is young and he is treated like god here. Make him learn how to be smarter and more relaxed on the pitch. If you do not do so he'll get used to get away with everything and he'll always be an underperforming but extremely talented thug!
Point is your press is really bad. Do not claim you're the very best of football only by looking at yourselves. Look at what other teams are doing. Never assume that only because papers say you win, the opponents read your newspapers.
Totti was sanctioned for spitting at an opponent and the Italian press wasn't so indulgent with him only because he's a good player. Apparently he sort of learned the lesson.
And, I almost forgot, all this fuss about WAGs is ridicolous - when it is football time, talk football.
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I am Portuguese and have to admit that is is embarassing to see so much diving by the portuguese players, although we are not the only ones doing it. What surprises me is that everyone in England thinks he is to blame for Rooney潞s sending off and not the fact that he very agressively stamped on Carvalho. The English should be ashamed of themselves. They always lose to Portugal and cant admit that we are more talented! Also, it shows enourmous lack of character to suddenly support their eternal rivals France against a small country as Portugal. Would the English have supported the Germans had they played us? Where is the English pride and dignity? Or did it ever exist? Sour grapes are hard to swallow, but you should be used to the taste by now... Stop blaming the Portuguese. Blame Rooney for stamping. Blame Sven for being defensive. Sven always said that you must do whatever it takes to win a game, we did exactly that. If only it had been the other way around.
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As a Portuguese native, working for an English company and living in the Netherlands, I have experienced this tournament with mixed feelings. From dutch colleagues that would not speak to me and english colleagues that felt cheated... To begin: From my point of view Cristiano Ronaldo is a great talent that still has a lot to learn. However I find it exagerating to blame him for all that he has been blamed for. Realistically this WC has brought us no more diving then other tournaments in the past. However the exposure and media attention has surely increased. As a Portuguese fan I have noticed no difference in Portugal's tactics compared to the 2004 EC! Why did no1 notice it at the time? Have people also considered that culture has also got to do with it? Whereas in countries such as Italy, Spain, Portugal and other latin countries all is allowed and appreciated in order to win a game, this same attitude is not accepted in other countries. As a Portuguese I do not like it, when Portugal resorts to such methods, but I do feel that Portugal are not the ones to blame. This is a general tendency that could/should be exluded from the game if possible.
However I am sure that this will all be put into perspective once the disappointment - especially from countries that were knocked out by Portugal- has settled.
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Portugal definitely deserves to be in the best 4 teams in the world cup. It is a humble team which knows its limitations and its potential. Unlike the England team and fans, Portugal never underestimated or disrespected their opponents. Maybe, that is why English fans are so upset with England鈥檚 defeat.
Respect your opponent and maybe you will win something (I hope never) instead of harping on about 66.
See you in the EURO 08
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Amazing how the focus is on C. Ronaldo. Not only did Rooney get what he deserved, he鈥檚 getting away again without so much as an admonishment. Stamping on Calvaho (intentional or not) and then shoving Ronaldo, being fully aware that the England side had already suffered a setback with Beckham鈥檚 exit, was totally out of order. As a matter of fact, Rooney could have been sent off for either action.
With the attitude of the press and England fans, look for Rooney to be a repeat offender.
About diving in football, particularly in the World Cup, it is a blotch that needs to be removed with severe consequences. It has the tendency to ruin the flow of 鈥榯he beautiful game鈥. There鈥檚 no excuse for cheating and it鈥檚 just incredulous to see players from all teams engaging in the act.
There was contact on Henry against Portugal, but in replay, there鈥檚 not a doubt that there was a lapse from the time contact was made to when Henry threw his hands up in the air, screamed and went down.
C鈥櫭﹖ait simplement incroyable!!!
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I have been appalled by the 成人快手 bi partisan commentary for the world cup. These guys - Linekar, Shearer et al have provided zero objective analysis and have been mean spirited and have been without wit or grace. They should be ashamed of themselves - what was particularly shameful were the comments last night after the the Portugal/France game where Alan Shearer was heard to say that Portugal did not deserve to be in S-F. Well neither did England -the players bottled it when it mattered and that's why we'll never win a world cup. All this fuss must be an orchestrated PR stunt by Rooney's people to deflect attention from his behaviour with our supposedly neutral press colluding with them - I can't believe Rooney is getting away with this considering what Beckham had to endure! I'm watching ITV in 2010 - I'm certainly not going to watch the 成人快手 coverage with these idiots again. Really disgraceful behaviour.
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I think that if a player is laid on the floor, writhing "in agony", the referee should call for a stretcher and have the player carried off - the decision as to whether a stretcher be called would be the ref's, not the player's. Once off the field, the player would not be allowed back on for a minimum of say 3 minutes. If he really is injured, he's going to need that amount of time, anyway. If he's not, he harms his team.
We'd see some teams with 3 players on the field!
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After an excellent match last night by the Referee who did not show any cards thus allowing FIFA to substantiate its claim with retrospective action that it will do something about diving and cheating the opportunity is now theirs to give Portugal's divers yellow cards and ban them from the third place final. Portugal players take the lead from Scolari in pursuing gamemanship to unacceptable levels, be grateful we didn't get him as England Manager!!!
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Sorry, I do not remember ... what was the article about ?
C. Ronaldo ?
Rooney ?
England ?
Oooops
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I am one Englishman determined not to blame Ronaldo or the Portugese for our exit. I am interested though in the fact that it was during a game against France in a German stadium where there were hissed off the pitch. Surely you can't clain that those two countries are bias towards England?
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The English national team won't win anything until the english press and the english fans change this "blame everything and everyone not wearing an England kit" mentality. I believe England will remain for many years the laughing stock of all international competitions. And the English will keep losing against small & poor countries like Portugal, which they will then brand as "cheaters" and whatnot.
The way people are blaming Ronaldo for Rooney's dismissal is absolutely ridiculous - but is the perfect reflexion of the english mentality: total blindness.
Being portuguese, for many years my country wasn't regularly present in Euro and World cups. I learned from those times to support England, it was always the team I rooted for. Now, when Portugal is playing, they're the team I support after my country.
But I don't think I will ever be able to do it again. Seeing all this hateful reactions, to which "sore losing" is an understatement, I think I will rejoice everytime England is knocked out. I will have plenty to rejoice, every two years from now on.
Those who have wished for Ronaldo to "break a leg" were unlucky tonight. But I hope you have enjoyed Miguel's injury.
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I'm not a footbal expert, I'm not even a footbal fan - but this whole Ronaldo/Rooney thing seems to me to be pretty clear.
Ronaldo knows Rooney very well. He knows that Rooney has a short fuse. He knew that he could wind Rooney up at any time.
He knows precisely what buttons to press to make Rooney snap. Scolari knew that Rooney was already frustrated and very close to breaking point, being so isolated up front in previous games.
I think Scolari has told Ronaldo to use any opportunity he could to wind Rooney up, in the hope that Rooney would completely lose the plot.
Ronaldo's opportunity came when Rooney got into trouble with the foul he commited. He knew that all he had to do was come running to the referee and turn on the drama(making sure Rooney could see him doing so).
Rooney (as expected) completely lost the plot, (just as Scolari and Ronaldo knew he would) and got sent off.
Job done. Hence the wink from Ronaldo to the bench.
Scolari is a clever, clever man. He saw tactical mismanagement by Eriksson which led to frustation in an already short tempered player. He used that to his advantage.
Fact is, Scolari knew his players could not win on ability alone. He therefore used these tactics to gain that advantage.
Pity for him that his players didn't have the ability as a team to consolidate and score after Rooney got sent off.
Allez les Bleus
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Amazing how the focus is on C. Ronaldo. Not only did Rooney get what he deserved, he鈥檚 getting away again without so much as an admonishment. Stomping on Calvaho (intentional or not) and then shoving Ronaldo, being fully aware that the England side had already suffered a setback with Beckham鈥檚 exit, was totally out of order. As a matter of fact, Rooney could have been sent off for either action.
With the attitude of the press and England fans, look for Rooney to be a repeat offender.
About diving in football, particularly in the World Cup, it is a blotch that needs to be removed with severe consequences. It has the tendency to ruin the flow of 鈥榯he beautiful game鈥. There鈥檚 no excuse for cheating and it鈥檚 just incredulous to see players from all teams engaging in the act.
There was contact on Henry against Portugal, but in replay, there鈥檚 not a doubt that there was a lapse from the time contact was made to when Henry threw his hands up in the air, screamed and went down.
C鈥櫭﹖ait simplement incroyable!!!
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Ronaldo was diving all over the place against France. He then has the nerve to criticize the referee, with nonsense about Portugal being a little country. He is imitating Maradona at his worst with such histrionics. He can expect an unpleasant reception in England, not just because of the Rooney incident. He is the ringleader of the cheats and divers at this World Cup.
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Ok first off Englend went out because we didn't play well enough. No excuses there. As for the Rooney incident, the portugese player (I can't remember who it was) did have his legs wrapped around Rooney's but the video is inconclusive either way. Certainly didn't help his cause pushing Ronadlo.
But none of this takes away from the fact that there has been some disgusting scenes of blatant cheating in this World Cup. Henry's dive, Drogba using his hand to control the ball again but the 2 worst offenders have been the Dutch and the Portugese. Their match (while not helped by the official) was a near masterclass in what is wrong with football at the moment. The two bookings for Ivory Coast players for alledged fouls on Dutch players that were about 1m away from any contact also springs to mind.
There needs to be retrospective penalties handed out to anyone who diliberatly cheats. It is the only way to start cutting down these behaviours. Obviously the exact regulations would have to be worked out. There will always be timewasting and running the clock down but you can see serious foul play easily after a match and it should be punished.
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Well i cant see henry being the "Hero of the tournament".
He never performs well outside of the domestic competitions (he has never performed that well for arsenal in the Champs league for example).
Still, he'll probably prove me wrong now.
But i think he is a good example of a big fish in a small pond.
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I estimate that diving contributed to 50% of the goals in this world cup, via free kicks and penalties etc. It's a shameful state of affairs but then that's footballers. Don't you remember being at school, the kids who went on to play professional football were always mummy's boys who went crying to teacher every two minutes. C Ronaldo draws such hatred because he personifies the spoilt mummy's boy footballer.
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I'me portuguese. Having said that:
What I saw in this WC was shameful...I'm not talking about the dives,it hapens in all events with all the teams, i'm talking about the pressure and the force of the press, in particulary the hiper naciolist and sensacionalist papers, in public's opinion.
The press is so powerful that promoted one idea, and stick to it: "Portugal sucks, everyone is a cheater".And unfortunately, every portuguese oponent bought that idea, picking up the perfect excuse for all the losses.
It all began with the Portugal-Holland game. Everyone forgot the dutch savagery, right from the start. First by injuring on purpose Cristiano Ronaldo by the 7th minute.
Second, the dutch didn't had any fair play, what surprised me a lot,not giving the ball back twice.
That, everyone forgot, but no one forgot the two portuguese red cards, one of them by a simple stupid mistake of Costinha, putting a hand in the ball in a pointless midfield play. (Holland had two red cards too, remember? Maybe you don't).
I don't like dives, regardless of the side, and I hate specially when it's done by the players of my team, because it breaks many good moves and good opportunities to score.
But think, if it was a portuguese player falling like Henry did last night in the portuguese box, wouldn't all the press and therefore almost anyone say "Cheater, Diver"? True or not?
It's simple...The press, not accepting the defeat, specially with smaller, therefore, weaker countries, influenced everyone's minds.
For example, the press made everyone forget Rooney's move over Ricardo Carvalho, but emphasized Cristiano Ronaldo talking to the referee.
Did C.Ronaldo ask for a card?Did he put the hand in his pocket asking for a card? No, he did what any other english player would have done if it was the other way around...but one thing I tell you, no portuguese player I know would have put his foot in other player's "tomatoes" like that.
Yesterday, Portugal played well with a super side like France, and lost because it didn't score...and to that I blame Scolari, that should have put more offensive players, and removing Pauleta, that simply was not in his tournament.
Well, I hope Portugal wins against Germany, in a good offensive game, in spite of what the press may say.
Best regards.
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If Portugal were better than england then their diving would not be so bad as we would be losing to a better team anyway. But Portugal are a distinctly average team that lack any goal scoring threat, them being in the semi finals of the worlds biggest tournament is a joke. They beat teams better than them by playing dirty. Nuff said.
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Cheating Portugal Highlights vs France World Cup : watch it, no comment...
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The way 成人快手 has been talking about the Portuguese team (coincidentally, since the match against England) is simply outrageous, despicable and totally lacks impartiality. The English media should be ashamed for feeding this irrationality of some supporters that haven't got over the defeat of their team against Portugal's squad. One 成人快手 commentator said, referring to the fact that some Portuguese players, including Ronaldo, approached the referee after the aggression Rooney committed against R. Carvalho: "We [England] never do that - try to put pressure on the referee. What are we? Are we too honest?" The feeling of moral superiority doesn't suit you well . Please, focus more on football. After all, that's what you're expected to do.
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I am neither English nor Portuguese, so therefore I consider myself unbiased, and I am certainly aware of the fact that cheating and diving has become a common thing in modern football, sadly I must say. So none of the teams in the world cup has a clean record for that matter. But with the Portuguese, it's different: diving and complaining to the ref, in other words cheating, is an institutionalized thing for them and it has become a part of their game plan and tactics, the whole 90 minutes. If you play against Portugal you know that and you expect them to cheat because of their long lasting bad reputation. It鈥檚 true that for example players like Robben, Gerrard or Henry also cheat, some of them more than once, but Holland/ England/ France as a team doesn鈥檛 have a reputation of being cheats. But Portugal does. It's in their blood. Best example is when Miguel in the France game slipped and injured himself without any French players ever touched him, automatically all the Portuguese players on the pitch plus the whole Portuguese bench jumped up and were crying death and murder, demanding a penalty kick plus cards. What happened to common decency and fair play? I am not anti Portugal, but I can鈥檛 help feeling resentment towards the Portuguese team when I see that happening. That鈥檚 the reason why so many fans are against Portugal nowadays. Not because of the England game or the Holland game, it鈥檚 because we are sick and tired of watching this happening time after time after time鈥
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Lets face it, all teams, from club to country, have players that have cheated in one way or another. It seems to be in the nature of the people that play the game. We have teams standing in front of a 'Fair Play' banner who then try and con and cheat their way to winning. A ruling body that is spineless and unwilling to realy do anything serious about it when it is in their power to. Commentators in the media that are both hypocritical and revengeful. Managers who turn a blind eye to their own teams tactics, but condem others for doing the same thing their own players are doing. Supporters who use the game for their own mindless means.
Football is the only sport that has all this, and yet it remains the worlds most popular sport.
Human nature laid bare for all to see.
And yet in its essence, it remains a beautiful game. It's only spoilt by the people that play it, the people that run it and the people that support it.
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Italy have finally taken advantage of a bit of luck against the Aussies. As an Englishman and a football purist I have mixed emotions about that! But good luck to them. As for England I felt they never got going, were lucky to make it to the quarter finals and didn't expect them to progress any further (head rather than heart in this case). On their good days England could have beaten any of the last seven but were never really at the races. Rooney's sending off was mute. The winding up, diving, cheating etc will not change until post match citing, similar to that in Rugby, is brought in. Knowing that you could receive a yellow or even a red after a match may reduce some of the antics on the pitch. Until Sepp goes and we can finally use the technology we have, in real time - which is pretty instantaneous - the status will remain fully quoed. Hopefully the final will get the match it deserves, with a decent ref to boot - has there been one at these finals? Ah well, perhaps one of the ball boys could do the job?
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Portugal are quite simply a disgrace.
I'm an England fan but most of all I'm a football fan and the damage that the Portuguese attitude is doing to football is considerable.
Their antics against Holland, England and France were an embarrassment to the game and the most worrying thing is the reaction afterwards.
Play acting is now such a fundamental part of the Portuguese game that they have actually started to believe they ARE being fouled when they trip over a blade of grass or the wind blows them down.
Scolari and his band of whining ballerinas should be banned from international competition if these disgusting theatrics continue.
Football would be a far healthier game without them.
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In my mind there's a simple solution to the diving. Change the rules. Diving in the box gives a red card right away. No yellow. That will stop it. Also adding a second referee might help too, because then more dives will be detected. FIFA always does this Fair-Play stuff before the games, but do they actually promote fair play? Nope. But the saddest thing about it is, that Ronaldo could actually be a really great player. If he would just stop this crap.
But BTW, we Germans had our share too. M枚ller for example was so bad that one time Matth盲us (whom I normally don't like at all) standing next to him rubbed his eyes indicating rubbing away tears in a Bundesliga game. From that moment on that was the joke of the league.
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I would like to see the reactions from the british tabloids and the british supporters if the match was not Portugal x England but say Germany x England; Let's imagine Ricardo Carvalho was John Terry and Rooney was Close. What would the English players do? (and I must say, I do live in London and I do watch the Premier League. and I do see British players --like everyone-- asking for cards, which, incidentally, Ronaldo didnt do...); what would the tabloids be calling Close? Who would be the villain then?...
Unfortunatly the tabloids are getting more and more disgracefull and managing to shape the minds of (some) supporters.
As for the diving and faking, I obviously dont like it either. And the fact that everybody is doing it doesnt excuse anyone.
But, yes, please do remind how everyone do it. I think the main difference is that some have more experience (like Thierry Henry) and ability to fake and dive better and actually get penalties. It maybe something that the Portuguese have actually to improve in order to be more competitive: to dive and fake more efficiently.
Want to end it? May I suggest harder rules? What about this;
-everytime the ref has to stop the match due to a fault, he's have to take two actions:
1. award a free kick
2. send the injured/faker/whatever out to receive a proper treatement, which would last a minimum of 5 minutes (i.e. he would not be allowed back in the pitch before 5 minutes). I think that way they would think twice before faking an injury. And even if it hurted they would try everything to stay on the pitch. --just like Ronaldo did against Holland, by the way.
Players are allowed to touch other players, by the way. But what happens is that once slightly touched, the players immediatly goes down. (Well done, Henry, on the penalty against Portugal. Not so well done when against Brazil he pretended, close to the line to be hit on his face by a BRazilian boot).
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I can't believe the anti-Portugese feeling coming out of the press, the 成人快手 and the English fans in general. As an English fan, I feel particularly let down by the xenophobic comments and attitudes. Yes, Portugal have gone too easily on some occasions; however, they are not the only ones. They have been targeted by the English media (and one radio phone-in station has been particularly guilty of this) to avoid facing the realities of England's performance in this World Cup. As a team, we have been awful and Eriksson has ton take the blame. Six years on and he still can't get a team to play football and play as a team. We have some of the best midfielders in the world and yet they cannot perform in the same team, or seem to recognise the need to keep the ball in International football.
Enough of England's failings though, I am more concerned by the attitude of our media. Portugal have been blamed for diving and bad sportsmanship amongst other things. However, it seems as if we cannot mention other players who have dived in this tournament - Henry twice, Grosso against Australia, Gerrard (or was it Crouch for Beckham's free kick against Ecuador) to name a few. These players have not been castigated the way Ronaldo has been, yet have won valuable wins for their country by cheating as well.
As regards, Ronaldo's part in Rooney's sending off, for my part I am still not sure whether this was intentional. I thought it was at first, however, having seen the incident replayed I am not convinced. Nonetheless, I do not think that Ronaldo got Rooney sent off as this was for the stamp; the referee merely seemed to act following Ronaldo's unnecessary intervention to stop a larger brawl (for want of a better word) breaking out on the pitch following Rooney's push. If the referee considered it to be a deliberate stamp (which he obviously did), he was always going to be sent off but probably after treatment to Carvalho.
I am, however, happy that Portugal have been knocked out. Not for their antics on the pitch but because they are not an entertaining side to watch as Scolari is too defensive (this was also his reputation in Brazil until he won the World Cup - he didn't get standing ovations by Brazilian media during most of his campaign as they were highly critical of him) and Italy and France are better footballing sides. Personally, I want Italy to win but that is mainly because I think their performance on Tuesday was the best of the tournament and despite my thoughts regarding Portugal's defensive team, I highly admire Italy's incredible and insatiable attitude towards defending! Cannavaro has without doubt been the player of the tournament, and I feel deserves a World Cup win as do players like Pirlo (best midfielder in the World in my view), Buffon, Zambrotta...
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Personally I thought the way Portugal have handled themselves in the knockout stages has been beyond belief.
Violent against the dutch and then diving, moaning and whingening against England and France. It's a shame as they do have good players, Deco is quality. Ronaldo is great to watch when he is playing and running with the ball but he is SO frustrating watching him dive and moan all the time. He does it at club level as well so it should not have been too much of a shock for people!
And, NO, i am not using this an excuse for England's defeat. England were poor tactically, uninspired and lacking direction. Mr Erikson has a lot to answer for, mostly for wasting a team with the talents of Beckham, Gerrard, Hargreaves (always rated him, wasted by Erikson - he is a great holding midfield player...lets face it Bayern Munich dont usually get it wrong, do they?) and others. Erikson had NO idea how to win games and it was gutting to be an English fan watching such a waste.
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Gordon Kennedy - post 22 - Scottish, are you?
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I enjoy this. Accusing foreign players, but then trying to find a reasonable excuse when it comes to the English-born.
If we are to blame anyone for England's loss....let's blame England and it's management.
Except for Hargreaves though, he's the only one that managed to keep running throughout the whole two hours, he played with intent, and I don't even think he was born in England...says something maybe?
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Can someone explain to me how after the match Sven said he asked the ref what Rooney was sent off for and was told for the push, now the ref says it was for the stamp! This same ref has been given the honour of being the cup final ref above two others that had been considered favorites.
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I don't understand your point here.
Are you saying that bank robbers shouldn't go to jail because others do it as well? Hhmm!
I don't really think that England will ever win the World Cup again because their style of play is too honest for the referees.
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Histrionics? You should just look at yourselves, saying it's worse for a player to be happy when one enemy goes out, than to kick an enemy in the nuts and still shove another one. :-) What do you think, that the world is stupid and blind...?
There was no penalty yesterday, but Portugal had plenty of chances to score. They didn't cos Pauleta sucked and France defended extremelly good.
You see, in Portugal (I'm portuguese and live in The Netherlands), nobody is making a scandal out of loosing from a stollen penalty. Nobody will start blaming the english or the dutch or the french and their mothers...
Yes portuguese players did dive. And ALL the others? And Henry? Who got a penalty against POR and a free-kick against Spain, putting France back in the WC? And Italy's goost penalty against Australia, who were doing a hell of a campaign? That's not cheating? Mind you, they are in the final... And you STILL blame Portugal, who did a brilliant campaign. One the english just couldn't match... Hurts, doesn't it? Well, deal with it.
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I think that you, English fans have focused entirely on Ronaldo's behaviour towards Rooney. Is that what you learnt from this World Cup. Believe it, you still play an outdated football and you have to use this as a starting point. DOnt try to think that if Rooney wasnt set off you might have a good chance to lift the trophy. You didnt and dont deserve it, that's the truth. Try to see where you fell short of expectations o in the first place why you created the highly ambitious impression that you can be victorious. You didnt play well in a single game and you admitted it that. Then, how you can reach the final and win it. Just tradition and the fact that you have good teams in your soil is not enough. Sit back and think carefully and you may be better nexttime. I dont say luckier because when you believe you are among the best, luck should not be the only ingredient towards success but just an additive.
As for Rooney is a player who cannot control his nerves, he has done that in the past. One of the things yo uhave to learn when you are in a team is to act properly so as not to risk the efforts of the rest of the team. All teams, Germany, Italy, France who reached this stage consist of individuals who are responsible and they work as a team and they put themselves in the service of the team.
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Portugal are quite simply a disgrace.
I'm an England fan but most of all I'm a football fan and the damage that the Portuguese attitude is doing to football is considerable.
Their antics against Holland, England and France were an embarrassment to the game and the most worrying thing is the reaction afterwards.
Play acting is now such a fundamental part of the Portuguese game that they have actually started to believe they ARE being fouled when they trip over a blade of grass or the wind blows them down.
Scolari and his band of whining ballerinas should be banned from international competition if these disgusting theatrics continue.
Football would be a far healthier game without them.
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England got knocked out because we did not play well enough, simple as that.
Rooney got sent off because he stamped on Carvalho, simple as that.
England were poor. Portugal were, if anything, even poorer, but proved much better at penalties.
HOWEVER you'd also have to be blind or stupid not to have noticed from Portugal's conduct over the course of the WC that they have been the prime offenders in a tournament marred by poor sportsmanship, diving and simulation.
As well as dreadful diving (on display again against France) they seem to specialise in the art of having a man go down seemingly injured to get the opposition to put the ball out of play, in order to stop the game when it is going against them.
If that is the way you want to play football, then I hope you never win anything.
And before you start the "bad loser" rubbish again, re-read the start of this post.
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You have all got it wrong. 2 wrongs don't make a right and this is what you are doing, trying to justify Portugal by saying others do it. The point is it is cheating, however you try to dress it up and this final (as so many times before) is going to played out between two teams who cheated to get there. As such it all becomes a meaningless excercise and I for one will not watch it. I'll be watching Wimbledon, one of the few sports left where a player has to rely on his/her own talent and determination to win
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I agree partly with the comments made, I can't excuse Portugal for some of dives evident and it doesnt make it right saying France and Italy do it as well.
However i think it is a bit unfair we focus solely on Portugal, I mean i remember two very clear dives by Owen in games against Argentina, was there any complaint by the english fans. Seems to be one rule for one and completely another for other teams. England have diving players as well cole, crouch, gerrard. And as for going to refs Gary Neville invented it.
The hate campaign against Ronaldo is just childish, when rooney gets sent of because of his attitude we blame it on his age, but ronaldo it different. As for best player i feel sorry for Valencia, nobody really has a clue who he is and is now famous for this rather than the good football he played.
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I have to say that this article misses the point as the booing was not about diving. The people booing were mostly Germans who were showing solidarity towards England because of Ronaldo's attempts to incite Rooney's red card. This was pleasing to see, whether its expression is to be condoned or not. Yet how else do you send such a clear message to someone with a psyche wallowing in a mix of brilliance along with immaturity and a healthy portion of arrogance. The booing was not for Portugal and not for diving but for lack of fair play. It is nice to see the Germans keeping an eye out for their English neighbours.
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The 成人快手's covergae of the Portugal v France game was an absolute disgrace.
The sheer hatred shown by the studio team towards Portugal was quite frankly not what I'd expect from the 成人快手.
Every little incident involving a Portuguese player was highlighted over and over again, making them out to be the only team guilty of "cheating" at the World Cup.
Yet the same criticisms were not levelled at, to name 2 examples, Thierry Henry after he tried to get Carles Puyol sent off and Joe Cole when after a foul on him, he waved an imaginary yellow card in an attempt to get a Swedish player booked.
Those involved have went down in my estimation.
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england lost because we weren't good enough. But you couldnt find a single piece of evidence from the 1/4 final of an english player diving. rooney got sent off and the england players disagreed with the decision. But did they surround the ref like the portuguese did? No.
Ronaldo is not the main culprit of diving, but i'm glad he got booed bcos it shows that not just english fans hate what he did. The world was watching and the world was appauled and maybe now, Fifa might start to take some real action.
And scolari has a track record of this. When he managed a brazilian club called Gremio, he told his players to commit fouls anywhere outside the penalty area.
It's not just ronaldo and it's not just portugal, but by hi-jacking the result, even if he does still win, Fifa might just realise at long last that this has to stop.
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No-one can excuse Ronaldo's diving - he has been doing it regularly all through his Man. Utd career so it should come as no suprise. To accuse the whole of the Portugal team of this however is plain nonsense, and I suspect this current witchunt is more to do with England being beaten by a technically superior side and being unable to take it in the sportsmanlike way that Germany accepted defeat against Italy. Diving is nothing new either - Thiery Henri twice at this world cup, Michael Owen against Argentina at the last one, and Gary Lineker against Cameroon in 1990 all fell over when it would heve been easier to keep their feet. The continuing patronising and subliminary racist attitute towards african sides from 成人快手 commentators (does the word "nieive" only apply to errors by African teams) is a far more serious problem and one the 成人快手 can actually do something about with immediate effect by giving thier presenters some well needed diversity awareness training.
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I agree that Portugal's cheating has been highlighted by our failure to beat them, and by the number of England fans with SF tickets.
I've been shocked at the amount of cheating in this tournament, and Portugal have not been the only culprits. Before we go on to laud the Italians (who did look excellent in the SF), we should rememeber the horrific elbow by De Rossi and the shameless dedication of a goal by Materazzi to the suspended player, as well as Henry's disgraceful play-acting. Not to mention Figo and Ronaldo's 'playful' headbutts.
None of these players - Henry, Ronaldo, Figo, De Rossi, Materazzi - should be given anything but the loudest boos and insults from ALL football fans.
Let's drive the cheats out!
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right well ronaldo is one of the best players portugal has. england are just very sore loosers and the english media are not helping atall. instead they are taking it way too far. as are the english fans. the booing is just so imature and henry definately dived for that penalty so why ouldn't ron get a penalty when he was shoved? i wonder if the ref was a tad unfair? yus certainly was. i cannot believe portugal are not in the final but they could still get third place. i really think that portugal put up a great fight to try and gain some kind of goal or penalty. im sick to death of hearing about england football. who cares? i certainly dont. its not even my country and everything is always in the papers yet! scotland all the way but portugal are my second team definately. why should i upport england if i aint english? exactly! cya x
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Much has been written about soour grapes, but the fact remains that trying to influence the ref to award yellow cards and the constant diving to obtain free kicks DOES NOT improve the game of football, for those spectating or playing. If Ronaldo is such a great player, why does he need to dive? The boy has talent, so why doesn't he show that instead of the pathetic attempts to get free kicks? So was Henry guilty too of diving? Either way it's seems to me that justice was done and that Portugal and Ronaldo have come undone at the hands of their own tatics.
The only way that things will improve is to have 'the third ref' such as used in cricket. Playback of video is instant and the ref on the pitch can use some help. Diving and getting involved in an incident that has nothing to do with the player that rushes 30 yards to infuence referees should be a bookable offence that is enforced. Perhaps then we can get back to watching skill on the pitch, not theatrics.
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What is sad about Ronaldo being booed is that it seems booing will be the only "punishment" he receives for his transgressions.
In a game where winning is so lucrative, is it any wonder that players, teams and managers are willing to break rules where the referees and governing bodies have shown that it is much more likely to confer an advantage rather than a disadvantage? Had Thierry Henry decided to do his best to stay on his feet against Portugal, instead of choosing to make no effort, would he not have been confronted by his teammates and manager in the dressing room with the question "Why didn't you just go to ground?"
I have to agree that diving and other simulation was not highlighted by the English media until Portugal defeated England. But however much you dislike the English media and fans for this behaviour, you must dislike the effect of such tactics on football and all who watch it, including on the young and impressionable.
Footballers are often identified as role models and idols for children. I could not think of anything more dangerous than for children effectively to be told that they can enjoy celebrity, success and wealth if only they would lie, steal and cheat.
That is precisely the message FIFA and all other football governing bodies send out when they fail to punish these offences. If we end up with a generation who apply such values to all aspects of their existence, I'd say Shankly was right. Football (and what it teaches) are more important than life and death.
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We lost to Portugal. Get over it. All this bad feeling it is generating is ridiculous. Pretty much all the comments on here are offensive to someone. It is pathetic
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Portugal aren't alone of course but they are by far the worst offenders. The dutch were almost as bad in their game with Portugal but not quite.
What bothers me is that they have the nerve to complain about the ref afterwards!!! Does Ronaldo really think he was pushed when he went for that header? surely not!
When you see the spirit that the Germany v Italy game was played in Mssrs Ronaldo, Scolari et al should be ashamed of themsleves.
A bit of gamesmanship is part of the game but if you get caught put your hands up and don't take it too far.
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Here麓s another display of champions of ethical football
Funny how the british press ignored is...
I think trinidad & tobago should start an hate campaign against Crouch
Hypocrisy, english sore LOOSERS
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1) Cheats should not prosper - the only solution is for retrospective fines and suspensions.
2) Portugal AND England were both rubbish. The group games were all much better than most of the knock-outs.
3) Everyone is now banging on about Italy but they've only played one good game.
4) Can anyone remember the France v Switzerland game? It was an absolute shocker.
5) No-one deserves to win - just like in 2002.
6) England did have the players to win, just not the coach. We should be blaming Sven, not Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a cheating tw*t but he was only trying to win and it is the refs and FIFA that need to make it clear that this is a contact sport and not an audition for swan lake. Sven's job was to get the best out of the players and he failed.
7) Fans should make their wishes known. Write to Blatter, write to your club's manager - tell them you don't want cheats in the game.
8) What are all these Portuguese doing on this site? Haven't they got anything better to do?
9) You can try and make us small but we're still the greatest nation on earth. That's why you're all reading this website IN ENGLISH.
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Why are John Motson and the majority of the English based media trying to stir up a witch hunt against Ronaldo, it is pathetic. There is only one person responsible for Wayne Rooney being sent off and that is himself, he was the one who stamped on Carvalho and no one else. He has a flaw in his game when he cannot control his temper and unless he manages to control this he will never be a truly great player!!
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I am very HAPPY that England lost to Portugal. They played their football through their powerful media/press and always think that they are the best. They describe players from other countries as 'premiership rejects' and forget that the English premiership is exciting because of the many good foreign. Ronaldo had the right to complain of the foul against his team mate!!!
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I am very HAPPY that England lost to Portugal. They played their football through their powerful media/press and always think that they are the best. They describe players from other countries as 'premiership rejects' and forget that the English premiership is exciting because of the many good foreign players. Ronaldo had the right to complain of the foul against his team mate!!!
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We have blamed the English team. We know they went out cos they were are s***. That is not the question here.
Let's go back to 1986... Try (Some of you will be too young and I suspect those are the ones missing the point here)
In 86 we were subjected to the South American teams like Uruguay who cheated. They dived, they wasted time and they would intimidate referees into decision making. A few years rolled by and we all got really upset about it until FIFA finally came along and said STOP the cheating.
Hallelujah we all screamed from the rafters. Finally FIFA got it right for a change. The keeper could no longer hold the ball for 20 minutes. Defenders couldn't take 20 minutes to take freekicks and divers were finally getting yellow cards.
OK are you still with me here???
Let's jump ahead to the 2006 World Cup. And I don't care if you are from China, Bolivia or South Dakota. It makes no odds to me. But if you look at this World Cup without BIAS then you will see the ugliness of cheats raise it's head yet again.
THE PROBLEM is back and the referees do not know how to deal with it. Such short memories.
SIMPLY PUT - When I watch TV and I see a replay of a guy diving (NOT EVEN TOUCHED BY ANOTHER PLAYER) then I get pissed off. Whether he plays for my country (USA) or another. THEY ARE CHEATING. AM I GETTING THROUGH?
This thread is not about blaming Portugal or Ronaldo for England's exit. The thread is about CHEATING.
Portugizafreekick CHEATED to win games. They did it against Holland and in fact were more successful in that game than the France game.
Henry cheated to get a freekick and a penalty (yes he was touched, but he still took a dive). The list goes on and on. However just as Uruguay and teams of other such nasty tricks bore the brunt of FIFA's rule changes back then so should teams like Portugizafreekick today. Is it any coincidence Uruguay are nowhere to be seen in the world stage. Perhaps we would see a similair demise of teams like Portugizafreekick.
DIDN'T ANY OF YOU SEE PEOPLE ROLLING AROUND ON THE GROUND LIKE BIG GIRLS. AM I GOING NUTS???
FOOTBALLERS DON'T ROLL AROUND ON THE GROUND ANYMORE. WE ARE DONE WITH THAT AREN'T WE.
GOD HELP US ALL IF YOU CAN'T REMOVE YOUR BIAS TO BETTER OUR BEAUTIFUL GAME... AND GOD BLESS Argentina for cleaning up their act and you have no idea how hard it is for me to say that.
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Look back on Portugal's games against Holland, England and France are it's fairly obvious that they have taken cheating to a higher level.
However, I tire of England fans who keep blaming "cheats" and "dodgy refs" instead of looking deeper at what really ails our game.
Substandard players, poor selection and tactics, poor management, one could go on and on...
Until we produce quaity players who play positive football, and put out a team that is well managed from top to bottom, only then will we be up there challenging for trophies.
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um..the tabloid press aside, the people who were booing ronaldo were french, not english. there were very few english in the crowd, it was a sea of blue singing the marseillais (unless there were a lot of English people who bought french shirts, and learnt french songs) ...
Last time i checked the french were never bothered enough by england being knocked out of anything to feel they need to boo the people responsible.
Ronaldo was booed cause he's a greasy little cheat, he was criticised in the (generally anglophobic) french tabloids for the same reason.
So stop the knee jerk reactionist crap that's making it sound like we're the only people criticising portugal. No-one booed maradona apart from the english.
Also, if Rooney lost his balance under the shirt pulling his stamp was fair, if he didn't it was malicious. There really is no point in debating it any further, let alone presenting it like you know the truth.
Oh and, yes we (england) didn't play well. We have fantastic players who week after week prove that they are formidable footballers. We had a confused misguided manager. We came back from the tournament aware of all this. The portugese however, went into the tournament with the reputation of passionate, meditteranean, skilful types, and came back looking like weasely second hand car salesman.
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There are many people in England who realise that the fact that Rooney was sent off was down only to the fact that Rooney himself stamped on Carvalho's Ballacks.
But it is easier to blame someone else, and Ronaldo fits the bill perfectly. A teammate (though the fact that this is the world cup, and ronaldo is representing Portugal, not Man U, seems to have been conveniently forgotten), a foreigner (always the old bogeyman!), a talented player (just check the number of times the english media talk about the way Ronaldo plays, and his tricks, as if it were a bad thing - the English way of playing is to hoof the ball down and run into a few players while chasing it down), and someone who obviously does not give a damn about the fact that lots of people seem to hate him (the cheek of the man! so much time and effort and energy is being spent on abusing him, the least he could do would be to at least acknowledge it and make the people who are wasting so much time, energy and effort feel important!:-))
Portugal have been poor, and they seem to be diving around a lot more than most other teams. They have not played in a sporting manner, and for that shame on them (the fact that other teams have also done the same doesn't make it any more acceptable).
I guess it hurts a lot, as an English fan, to lose to Portugal when you know that your team was good enough to steamroll them. Everyone wants to get over the disappointment, and what easier way than to blame Ronaldo and Portugal?
Ronaldo dives, Portugal have players who dive a lot.
But England lost. And lost because they were not good enough. and because Rooney tried to take Carvalho's balls away. and because the coach played a rubbish system. and because none of the players stepped up to the challenge.
That is hard to accept, but it is the truth. Innit.
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Yes England played poor, yes we deserved to be knocked out, but to all the portugese supporters who think they were the better side i ask, which team couldn't break down a 10 man team for 58 minutes of open play?
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@ Cristopher Clift:
Rugby is, by definition, an honest sport.
Football is not. It's a bit like life.
You want to do it honest, do the right thing, then there comes a guy diving when you touch him, your team gets a penalty against and you get a card. Plus all the other players from the oposite team kicking you, when the ref's not looking.
What are you gonna do next time? Let him get away with it and be the a##, or do the same?
Against HOL, Portugal did the same after a while and won the "war". Against England, Portugal didn't do the same (that is, replying in the same manner to a stamping on the balls + shove) but still won the game. France did it to us (only the diving) and we are the bad guys, plus lost the game... I mean... On top of it, the english media putting sulfuric acid on Portugal and C Ronaldo, just cos they lost...
I think there's no better promotion for "diving", than these simple facts I just displayed... Facts that actually concern ALL the teams...
Man, if you're looking for honesty and honour, football is clearly not your sport... Cheers...
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France won against Portugal. It wasn't a good game. France didn't attack at all during the second part of the game but they made it through. You really don't need to be subservient to the french just because you lost against Portugal. And regarding the branding of the portuguese team as the villains, please just grow up. That's just sore loosing. Who threw rocks at the portuguese fans after the game? Talk abaout Fairplay? First look up the meaning of the word!
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I'm an English fan and sad to see England out of the tournament, but lets face the facts... bottom line - we werent good enough to win, so lets stop our lame excuses.. We want to vent our anger out on someone so Christiano Ronaldo is the scapegoat.. Think about it.. Who is the villan??? Ronaldo or Rooney??? Did Ronaldo kick Ricardo in the nuts?? Doesnt the fault lie with Rooney then??? He let us down.. just a few seconds of stupidity cost us the match and the cup.. We should be angry with Rooney and not Ronaldo..
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Its not about England losing the game,we lost it & thats it,we weren't good enough,we played awful football.Its about Ronaldo winding up Rooney & the antics what went on before.What about Ronaldo "playful head butt" even before the game started.What's with the stamping ? If anyone been kicked or stamped on in the nether regions liked Rooney is being accused of,you wouldn't be running around like a spring chicken 5 minutes later.If the ref had blown for the foul on Rooney in the first place it might never had happen.Instead Carvalho gets one of Rooneys feet in a scissor lock & unfortunately his other STANDS,not STAMPS,on Carvalho private parts.The ref at this stage hasn,t reach for any card,which indicates it probably been a yellow,until Twinkle Toes goes rushing up to the ref to influence him.Rooney should have kept is cool but didn't & pushes Ronaldo away,thats when the ref pulls out the red card.I don't know what went on after the match but the ref said he sent him off for a stamp,i'm sorry i don't believe him.
But what really made people angry was the wink,it made it all seem pre-planned & Blatter spouts off about not seeing any reaction from the English players or the fans.Well ,Mr Blatter was you at last nights semi final,there was your answer.
Diving is coming more into our game as well but nothing like i've seen as this WC,its a disgrace.FIFA totally ignore it,when they promised to clamped down on diving & surronding the ref to influence his deceissions.Figo gets away with a yellow card for head butting,a Dutch player gets away with studding Ronaldo's thigh,FIFA are a joke,until they get it sorted it can only get worse.I'm sorry but Ronaldo deserves all he gets,a great talent butwill never be a great footballer until he stops his antics.
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What seems to be forgotten about the Ronaldo/Rooney incident is the grinding of the forhead by Ronaldo into the rear of Rooneys head before kickoff even occurred. That was followed up with his protests to the referee and then that wink to the dugout.
Fans in England saw all this quite clearly on TV and will make their own mind up about Ronaldo. Considering the hospitality shown to him in this country before these incidents in the World Cup, it is little wonder that English fans feel betrayed. I could not expect Henry to act in the same way because he has respect for the people who have payed his income.
English fans will make their own mind up next season no-matter what the British press have to say about it or not.
I bear no malice to Ronaldo but would prefer he went to earn his daily income in another country and I expect what he was subjected to in the semi final will be nothing compared to the hostility he will experience in the Premier league. It's his own fault.
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Ok I've read most of this stuff now. Her's a view from abroad, Austria to be precise, where I'm devoid of tabloid influences and jingistic word-of-mouth trivia. First off, England got beat because they can't score enough goals in open play. The kick-and-hope tactics belong to schoolboys with an adrenalin rush. With a lone striker up front that's never gonna win a match at this level. Why not put 2 there? Double trouble for the oponents and someone to pass to on the off-chance the ball is recieved. 1 goal was always gonna win that game so tactically we were just rubbish.
However, about the rooney incident. The general consensus here (actually I watch German coverage, it's far more exciting) is that our Wayne is an aggressive player, in the old-fashioned way (when shoulder charges were accepted and 'covering' the ball to win a corner or goal kick was an obstruction). Their comments about him are always positive, and one commentator (an ex swiss referee) said that the foul should have been the other way as his shirt was pulled by the guy on the floor. He went on to say had he gone down, the free kick would have been to England, but that's not Wayne's style, determined to keep the ball as ever. The summary of it all is that the game should return to accomadate such mentality and determination. Yes, he does need to learn anger management (they call him 'the bulldog'), so he shouldn't have responded to Ronaldo the way he did, but that didn't warrant a red card in their eyes and mine neither. They went on to say that the way the game is becoming so sanitised it leaves them, and a lot of other people here, wondering what FIFA are capable of. These comments are prevalent in the media here, and even if our German 'rivals'view the incident in such a way, along with the French crowd who are also not 'Sun'readers or 成人快手 viewers, then there must be something in it don't you think? So come on all you Portugese, be a little ashamed of your teams tactics, especially Ronaldo's sprint up the pitch to ask the ref for further action. I don't care that Rooney is his club team-mate, it's just bad sportsmanship period. Your team had enough of what it takes to win this thing, but you went out because of a referee who didn't fall for the cheating tactics and because you'd rather fall over than keep on your feet. Believe me, you'd have a lot more resect for scoring goals in open play rather than from the penalty spot.
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As an ardent englishman it saddened me the way we played throughout the tournament. The players did not seem to know what they were doing; the only real passion came when we went down to 10 men! Rooney deserved to go - I think international defenders have realised that they can wind him up and he will self disrupt.
However Ronaldo and his team mates' theatrics are an embarrasment to the sport. So much so that I actually prefer to watch rugby nowadays; 30 men putting their bodies on the line for the cause. The blame for the diving etc has to be landed squarely at FIFAs doors. They have seen the problem evolve (I was 11 at Italia '90 and remember the diving Germans) and have done nothing about it. Instead they would prefer to introduce such pointless laws as having to go off after an injury.
It is about time diving is stamped out (not the rooney way) and until that time football will be a poorer game for it!
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OK, time to set things straight..
Ronaldo
1a) The furore surrounding Ronaldo is wrong. Like any other player playing for any country in the World Cup (including England), he was only standing up for his team mate. Also, I didn't see the whole Portugese team surrounding the ref calling for Rooney to be sent off, did you?
1b) The coverage in the press of the incident has been ridiculous. The red-tops have been absolutely appalling.. do they want to chase out one of the most exciting players to watch in the Premiership, even if he does play for Man U? I can't see other imports like Ballack wowing me anytime soon (as efficient as he is)!
Despite this, I enjoyed watching Ronaldo cry because his team knocked us out and not for any other reason.
Rooney
2) Isn't it interesting that no-one blames Rooney. If you watch the footage, the ref did NOT appear to have any intention of booking him, until he pushed Ronaldo. I think it was a knee-jerk reaction by the ref, who is now lying that he was going to send him off for the foul anyway.
Portugal
3) Portugese contributors are saying that their team are no worse than any other for diving/"gamesmanship"/cheating but they are letting their patriotism cloud their judgement. Yesterday I lost what little respect I had for them - how many times did they dive in the area?? Why did Pauleta claim a freekick when Miguel fell to the ground with an injury? They are so much more talented than England (I'm English btw) but they ruin it with fraudulent behaviour. Its a shame one of the greatest ever footballers Figo was also part of it in the Holland game.
Oh, and the Henry 'dive' was a stone-cold penalty:)
England
4) All set for 44 years of hurt? So many things went wrong this World Cup - from management to injuries to just poor performances on the field. The heart for a great performance which the fans (most of whom have been great and made many friends on their travels) deserve just wasnt there.
In terms of boasting about our perceived lack of gamesmanship, we aren't the most squeaky clean team either - think back to the 1998 WC dive by Owen against Argentina to win us the penalty and the dreadlock-yanking Crouch against TnT this year. When we next accuse another team of cheating, just cast your eyes closer to our shores..
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The article wasn't about England. What Phil McNulty was surprised by was how much the French and the neutral spectators booed Ronaldo. The English defeat doesnt come into it. Ronaldo constantly cheats in front of millions of people who all know he knews they're watching. It makes him the perfect pantomime villain and so hes going to get booed everywhere he plays for a year or two. Which he'll deserve, and when he wakes up in the morning hes still a millionaire so in the end, so what? He'll survive, as will the Netherlands and England.
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As an ardent englishman it saddened me the way we played throughout the tournament. The players did not seem to know what they were doing; the only real passion came when we went down to 10 men! Rooney deserved to go - I think international defenders have realised that they can wind him up and he will self disrupt.
However Ronaldo and his team mates' theatrics are an embarrasment to the sport. So much so that I actually prefer to watch rugby nowadays; 30 men putting their bodies on the line for the cause. The blame for the diving etc has to be landed squarely at FIFAs doors. They have seen the problem evolve (I was 11 at Italia '90 and remember the diving Germans) and have done nothing about it. Instead they would prefer to introduce such pointless laws as having to go off after an injury.
It is about time diving is stamped out (not the rooney way) and until that time football will be a poorer game for it!
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So if the booing of Ronaldo was due to his part in Rooney's sending off, I assume that the stadium was filled with Englishmen? If not, then it must have been because the French also noted that his behaviour has been the most despicable of the tournament.
This behaviour will not stop until yellow cards are shown. To try to win a penalty by diving is just as much a foul as tripping someone up to prevent them from scoring.
ps: Judging by his actions and antics last night, England had a near miss and we should feel ourselves lucky that we did not get Scolari!
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I am totally impartial to European teams and the way I saw this match, Ronaldo stood victorious by displaying such impressive football skills. I think the Portuguese forward line did not support his efforts. Regarding Rooney's misbehaviour, I do not think if someone is a Star then he has the right to misbehave. I thought it was very childish behaviour and completely improper for someone of Rooney's stature. I will never try to justify by saying Ronaldo was provocative.
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Sure there has always been diving, in all forms of sport, but it seems to be all pervasive now. Henry seems to be coming in for a bit of stick due to his over dramatic fall when challenged by Puyol, however, there must have been 4 or 5 occassions when puyol dropped like a stone as soon as Henry come close, meanwhile - as in Paris - Puyol relied on the fact that Henry would stand up in a tackle if he could..
How about a citing panel as with Rugby - a panel of ex-players and refs could review footage of games and anything - such as diving - that brings the game into disrepute should be harshly punished.
I don't know about anyone else, but if I had to go and watch two teams of serial divers every weekend - I would end up watching a different sport..
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Divers, divers, divers.
Since Portugal beat England, that's all that you can say. English press should be ashamed for the hypocrite position they assume in this WC. We would expect LIES 鈥 yes that鈥檚 the word - from The Sun and The Mirror, when they create a fake war situation between Ronaldo and Rooney. But in The Guardian??? In 成人快手???
Please get your yes in the games that were played in Germany with a clean paper and a pencil in your hands. Take note of the number of dives and appeals to the refs in order to punish players of the other side. And you can begin by the last Portugal-England match. At end look at the paper. You will be surprise. I believed that in England there were the worst and the best press in the world. Maybe I鈥檓 just right in the first part.
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Diving ???
Joe Cole dive against portugal 鈥
Italy beat Australia with a dive 鈥
Although it was a fair penalty for France against Portugal, Thiery dive 鈥
Why talking only about Portugal ???
As long as it is in our benefit 鈥 diving is ok ;-)
Open your eyes English 鈥渇riends鈥.
If Rooney didn鈥檛 stepped on Carvalho than Portugal wouldn鈥檛 had to face a 9 men defence and would score a few goals 鈥 who knows鈥
I鈥檓 Portguese but (still) have a lot of care for England. In fact, some of my best friends are English. That鈥檚 why I feel so worried about the general blindness in what concerns national team football. Is it a coincidence that only French, Spanish and Portuguese managers have success in England (Alex Fergusson is Scottish and is helped a lot by Queiroz!!!)?
England has excellent players but the managers are old fashioned and the press doesn鈥檛 help by diverting from real problems 鈥 putting the blame on Ronaldo when we saw on the TV Sven sited while the next manager was talking to the players probably things he doesn鈥檛 agree on 鈥 in opposition to the Portuguese team, England doesn鈥檛 looked like a family 鈥 everyone is always pushing to his side.
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i think that portugal want to try and play dirty with sides ,just like against france they keeped on diving in the france pealnty area but if france done it i bet it would be a yellow card .
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So much about dives, so little about great goals and great moves. The promise of great football disappeared early in this tournament.
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Maybe Ronaldo can expect an unpleasant reception in England, probably because on the whole English people can be very unpleasant. As someone born in this country but with Portuguese and Irish heritage, I used to think I was lucky to have the options of 3 different countries to follow. However since the hate campaign against Ronaldo (and the antics of the blameless "angelic Rooney") and the blatantly biased and jingoistic attidude of the 成人快手 I can honestly say that England have lost any support that I would have had for them. Here's to Ireland and Portugal in the future.
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Sorry to say but players like C. Ronaldo are embarrassment for international football and FIFA should do something about him now he鈥檚 still young!!!
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About cheating ...
Officially England only won Portugal once in 1966 ... and England cheated !!!
The game was scheduled to be in Liverpool were the Portuguese team where located ... but "FIFA" changed to London were England team was and the Portuguese had to do a tiring trip to London (not by plane).
Maybe the Portuguese might say: "me cheating ???... you started" :-)
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The English media have vilified Portugal & especially Ronaldo. In truth, you English are bad losers. Yes, Ronaldo dived in the penalty area, but so do many other players from many other countries (England included ... remember Gerard?) Henry threw himself theatrically in the semi-final against Portugal after he got a slight kick on the side of the legs. Yes, there was contact from Carvalho, but it didn't cause Henry to fall. He threw himself to get a penalty by which France won a dreadful match. The English scapegoated Ronaldo over the Rooney incident, but it wasn't Ronaldo who deliberately stamped on an opponent's groin ... that was Rooney. Rooney was the culprit and was the cause of England's defeat, not Ronaldo.
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I'm portuguese and so far I laugh at most things I hear.
It is true that Cristiano Ronaldo made the referee open his eyes to send off Rooney (he deserved that) and it is true that he was diving everywhere agaisnt France.
Holland is obviously a victim... they lost, who else could be the victim? They didn't provoke anything... they just played their game... right...
About England is what I love the most. They say Portugal plays low because of the pressure Portugal makes on the referees. 10 minutes ago I watched videos of Rooney and Joe Cole asking the referee to show a yellow card and to get a penalty. But this doesn't matter, because they are english it seems.
English people should care more about their team than about Ronaldo.
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to be honest i find the majority of anti-english-come-what- may posters here either strident,negative, defensive, abusive or a combination of aall the above.The english and many others are just outraged that trickery and deceit have robbed them..of what we'll never know. They're generally honest about the shortcomings, sven et al, but deep in the backs of their minds is that little thought..'what if...?' Thats what keeps us all, and i mean all football lovers, following this dreadful, painful, beautiful game and our revulsion at the ever-intruding cheating and what is laughably called 'gamesmanship'. What it's got to do with the game i'll never know.
To return to the thread..portugese fans were circulating a 'vote ronaldo'link 2 DAYS BEFORE the england game..hypocrites! Where'FIFA's credibility if that little git's voted young player? Don't tell me...
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To see the biased and offensive comments about the portuguese on tabloids like the The Sun and others, is nothing new. But I expected a different attitude from the so called "impartial" 成人快手. English fans are definetly bad loosers. Besides that, in every international sporting event, they are always the troublemakers, with their excessive drinking an hooliganism. It麓s sad to see the xenofobia that arises in this kind of competitions, where only the big countries think they are the honorable winners.
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I am Portuguese and I might seem to have a bias towards my team but I am trying to be impartial.
Yes portuguese players are famous for diving. And we are famous because we are so bad at doing it. Clearly in that game Thierry Henry was much better at diving than C . Ronaldo...
He was so good that even watching the replay, altough we can see it was a dive, we can understand the decision of the referee because it is very hard to spot it in a split second without using the replay from the video cameras.
I hate cheating players whether they dive, simulate injuries or simply try to waste time when there team is winning. We have to find ways to put a stop to this but please do not single out my team...
We might dive some times and do stupid things especialy when we are playing more with our heart than with our heads but this campaign by the british media against portugal is already making me sick.
We were clearly better that france and we should have won the game... we didn't but that is ok.... I ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!!
May the best team win the final.
PS: How can you guys call yourselfs journalists? Shame on you... And to think I have to pay tv licence to keep the 成人快手 running and to preserve the Imparciality of the media! I can tell you one thing, if any portuguese person gets beatten up by some english person due to this shamefull campaign you should feel responsable for it
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Facts the "greatest nation on Earth"( pause to sigh for the British Empire) has to face:
-the number of games ( six or five) Rooney will get for doing nothing.
-the referee awarded the Final (and probably the best referee of the world award) for not giving Ronaldo the yellow he should have.
Conclusion: either the miserable cheaters bribbed FIFA ( a pause for laughter) or you have been living in virtual reality. WAKE UP !
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in first,england is a country of bad losers,they seam to find always an excuse,when they lose to portugal,they lost the reason,beacause they entitle temselfs world champions before it happen,what a lot of crap,the media are doing a campain agains the portugal people,they seam capable to become besiedge with race hate,when everything they dream collapsed!
if portuguese team was diving what about henry for the penalty,what about henry againt spain,what about the english players diving,nobody seams to take notice,the real vilain was rooney,i let is team down,because what he did was a straight red card,the referee fail to give me straith red,now about rooney brock ronaldo in two!i dont think i will be possible for him to do that to ronaldo,you see ronaldo came from a place thought to madeira island.stop being racists english,leave my country alone you are only jealus a small 3 world country is kicking your buts.
i fell disgusted with alan shearer last night when said "look like portugal never gonna score any way"
it seams i got no judgemente ,how about france how they score?penalty,grow up shearer,you sthink a rece man,you are a racist.i will complain to bbc.
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Remember: Rooney was not sent of because of a Cristiano Ronaldo dive.
Rooney stood on someone else麓s bodypart, someone who could not dive because he was already on the floor.
So, the animosity agaisnt Cristiano Ronaldo is because he asked for a card.
Now: is there a team that does not ask for a card when something like Rooneys affair happens?
Do british players never ever ask for cards, let alone dive?
Really, never ever? Not even in an important match?
Unfortunately, the british press and a part of the british fans seem to believe that because Cristiano Ronaldo is an english club employee, he had to remain "loyal" to England and to his "teammate", who just by chance was playing for the opposing National Team and had just hit a fellow portuguese.
Had Cristiano Ronaldo not put every effort for Portugal, he would have been betraying his national team.
Just because you pay someone big money, does not make him your son or transfer him to your nationality.
Get over it (you lost, they will be 3rd. or 4th. and you are 6th. or 8th.), and let him play.
Or, just let him go somewhere else. If so, he will have plenty of Champions League matches to hurt your clubs...
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Double standards in the UK is unbelievable.
Ronaldo dives and he gets slated.
Henry does the same and gets praised
with no mention of his cheating.
Maybe because he is loyal to the Premiership?
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There is a saying that all gun fighters live by. It goes "If you ain't cheating, you ain't tryin' hard enough". The World Cup, especially the knockout stages, is a gunfight where the teams are fighting for their lives. Rooney was the one who ended up with tunnel vision and shoved the Portuguese player (hence, escalating the situation), and then Ronaldo who remained calm enough to see the opportunity to try his luck with the referee did exactly that and succeeded. Is it right? No. But as I said it was a gunfight.
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ok, first of all, i cant actually beieve that people are still going on about this, wat do ur sad lives revolve around, "omg, ronaldo sent off rooney because he got a foul and i would totally kno because i was ther and heard EVERYTHING that ronaldo said to the referee". just shut up.
second, sooner or later, england would have gotten beaten anyway, if by france then i'm pretty sure that they would be getting all the creiticism by the english right now.
third, england just didnt have the tactics or the luck. take the strikers for example, ther was owen whos fittness was a question mark right from the beginning, same with rooney, crouch's only specialty is headers which u cant always do, sometimes its pretty hard 2 send the ball up to reach his head and we all ko about the whole theo walcott thing - that means ther was a question mark over all of the strikers that sven had taken. in midfield, lampard kept messing up( i dont actually kno wat was up with that) and face it, robinson is a pretty crap goalkeeper. then owen got injured, rooney still wasnt playing his proper game and it was all down 2 the defence - england have been known 2 mess up in penalties and so having a strong back 4 wasnt going 2 do england 2 many favours.
then comes the england v portugal match. rooney gets sent off 4 stamping on carvalho's bits but oh no, ronaldo was saying something 2 the referee at the tie so suddenly its his fault that he got sent off even tho stamping on another player is an offence worthy of a card. yes we all kno that the whistle should have been blown earlier because rooney was constantly being fouled but it wasnt so all you people who keep saying that it was ronaldo's fault in ther somehow aswell (not u people on this page, i mean other people who talk about it). then ronaldo came up and said something 2 the referee but then this is wher it all starts - w=WER U THER? DID U HEAR RONALDO ASK 4 A RED CARD 2 B SHOWN? NO? I THOUGHT SO, WELL THEN Y CARRY ON BLAMING HIM WEN EVEN THE REFEREE HAS SAID THAT RONALDO SAID NOTHING OF THAT SORT AND WEN ROONEY AND RONALDO SEEM 2 HAV MADE UP???????
then people hate ronaldo even more because he scored the winning penalty against england - omg, the boy can take a good penalty, wat an idiot 2 take a good penalty against england wen he is playing for his own country, y dont we blame him 4 being the reason england lost aswell, altho, u kno, if england had taken good penalties in the first place then they would have won, the result - people would not have said so many things about ronaldo. i can guarantee u that if england had won that game then people wouldnt have been critizing ronaldo so badly, just get a life and think 4 once b4 u suddenly start blaming someone and as for alan shearer saying that rooney should hit him wen they meet up again , shame on u
ronaldo, if u happen 2 read this, i believe u - dont leave man u, show them that ur not afraid and that u can do it, u may not hav all the support, but u hav my support and others aswell, dont leave, please
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Was I the only one to see Henry's dive yesterday? As soon as he felt carvalho's foot he clearly jumped! Everybody dives these days it's like a cancer.
Regarding the Portuguese I think we shouldn't blame the players themselfs,it's certanly the coach we have to finger. There are Portuguese players all over Europe and they haven't got a "diving" reputation, have they? Even here in England we can't point them out as divers and cheeters. And did you know Figo was awarded the Italian prize for fairplay this year? The way I see it it must be Scolari. He must be the one "ordering" them to dive.
And please let's leave Ronaldo alone! In 3 or 4 years time he'll be an amazing player. Would we really like to see him go? Not me! I'd rather have him playing in my beloved Manchester!
Oh, I almost forgot. Much has been said about Ronaldo's lack of team player loyalty. Did you see any loyalty on behalf of Ricardo Carvalho from his team mates Lampard and Terry??!! Well neither did I...
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Yesterday's performance against France was very disappointing. Being a Portuguese fan, I was frustrated by our inability to create consistent opportunties when we quite simply needed a goal. In the second half, Scolari should have gone with 2 men upfront. The most disappointing thing about it was the fact that we played up to all the nonsense that had been written about us in the incredably xenophobic English press with our diving. Yes, there were some outrageous dives against France (most of which were through desperation because we had simply run out of ideas) - no excuse intended. However, in the previous games, the extent of Portugal's diving has been hugely exaggerated. Apart from one incident involving Maniche against England, I can;t remember anymore in that particluar game. I do remember Joe Cole and Gerrard doing exactly the same thing - trying to con the ref. Incredible how the English press and the general public (who take The Sun as gospel) conveniently forget these facts.
As soon as Portugal had beaten Holland in a well deserved victory, the knives were out. Why? Simple. Portugal were England's next opponents. The Englsih media tried to do everything to distabilise the Portuguese camp leading up to the game. The Portugual/Holland game was poorly refereed. There were some severe fouls on both sides but nothing to warrant the amount of yellow and red cards dished out. Holland surely came out the less sportsmanlike - the disgraceful, cynical challenge on Ronaldo (the third in the first five mins) leading to him having to go off; the Dutch's refusal to give the ball back after Carvalho had gone down injured and the ref had inexplicably called play back when Portugal had a good chance to make it 2-0; the constant diving by Robben, Kuyt and Van Persie. Likewise, Portugal were guilty of diving; Costinha was rightly sent off and Figo was lucky to escape. However, Deco's dismissal was absurd as was Van Bronkhursts.
So how did Portugal come out of this game as being the only villains of the piece?
Simlarly against England, Ronaldo did what any player would have done. The truth is the English can't take losing to a team who they (for some reason) consider to be inferior to them. Its this arrogance that has people all over the world praising joyously when they inevitably get beat. Why did Ian Wright for instance state before the quarter final that "Portugal will give England no problems. We'll beat them convincingly"? England were just about to play a team who for the last 6 years or so has been widely considered to be one of the best teams in Europe (and therefore the World). This opinion is held by all around the globe, apart from England. More importantly, England were just about to play a team who had beaten them twice in the last 3 big competitions. On what do the English
base their supposed superiority on? Have they been watching the same laboured performances that I have for the last five and a half years. I doubt that had England lost to Brazil, Germany, Italy or France in exactly the same manner - these teams would have been criticised in quite the same way. Why? Because these nations have Englands respect as being great footballing teams and so its ok to lose to them. Rightly so, the afore mentioned countries are greats of football - Portugal are not at this level historically yet and have a long way to go, but neither are England. After Spain and Italy were robbed by South Korea in 2002, the general English consensus was that they were cry babies. My god, what a cheek!! Has there ever been a competition where England have not gone out for some controversial reason, fabricated to disguise the fact that they were quite simply not good enough?
There has always been a lack of respect from England when playing Portuguese sides (club or country). FC Porto didn't even get any credit for becomming European champions despite the amazing achievement of a relatively small club without the financial pull of others (inc Englsih clubs) winning the greatest club trophy there is to win. Instead, according to the general English opinion, Porto won this solely because of Mourinho - 'who took an average set of players to such great heights'. Average: Carvalho (regular at the Prem champions); Ferreira (likewise); Maniche; Costinha; Deco; Alinichev; Derlei; Carlos Alberto; Benni McCarthy (substitute) - all recognised and mostly international players.
They are average to the English for the simple fact that they don;t know them because they don't follow European football. All we ask for is a bit of a respect. We know we're one of the finest outfits in Europe - the last two tournaments have proved this. Its about time you realised this yourselves. Maybe then you wouldn't feel quite so upset when you lose to us.
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To Rick
No it is not double standards because Ronaldo and both Henry dived but Henry is forgiven because he was loyal to the Premiership.
It is about grinding his forehead into the rear of Rooneys head which has upset many people. That is actually violent conduct, where has Henry's violent conduct occured?
Ronaldo has shown contempt for the English who have provided his income.
He should go somewhere else.
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I have supported portugal since they qualified, and i am happy they bet england once again, but may i remind you that it was rooney who made kicked they guy, so why are you blaming Ronaldo, think what he has done for man u, does he honestly deserve to be treated like that? no.
He is an excellent player and okay portugal do dive, but so do other teams, why are you making portugal the villans in this world cup? I'll tell you why because you are so sour that they managed to beat you on penalties again. You look for someone to blame so you are blaming ronaldo, Ok fair enough but listen to him when he says booing him makes him stronger and your stupid chants will make him better for when you next face portugal, i hope they beat you on penalties again, i really do.
Portugal where the better side against the french and when the whistle was blown ronaldo cried, why do some small minded idiots write stupid posts mocking him, do you honestly think he cares what you think of him?
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It has been said millions of times, but none of us would complain if Rooney had dived and won us a penalty, in the same way Owen found his way onto an Argentinian leg 4 years ago...it is double standards.
As a previous poster acknowledged, it is our trashy press looking for excuses as to why we went out, rather than just admitting that year after year, tournament after tournament, we are just not good enough.
I believe Wenger made the point that technically, english players are not as good as foreign players, so that is why he chooses to spend his money abroad, so rather than whinging about the injustices of going out of another major tournament, maybe something should be done about grass roots football to encourage naturally gifted kids to make the grade, not just the kids who were bigger and stronger at a young age...
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I think what Ronaldo (Portugal) did was disgusting. It makes it even worse as Rooney is his team mate. Im glad as Portugal lost after coming so far. They really deserved it. Rooney is a top player, knowing this Ronaldo played a big part in trying to send him off and unfortunately for us he succeeded. And thus the wink. Hes no actor, he was seriously happy to have Rooney sent off as Ronaldos a coward and was too scared to have Rooney there.
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I think what Ronaldo (Portugal) did was disgusting. It makes it even worse as Rooney is his team mate. Im glad as Portugal lost after coming so far. They really deserved it. Rooney is a top player, knowing this Ronaldo played a big part in trying to send him off and unfortunately for us he succeeded. And thus the wink. Hes no actor, he was seriously happy to have Rooney sent off as Ronaldos a coward and was too scared to have Rooney there.
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This blog seems to take it for granted that Rooney deliberately stamped on Carvalho. Judging by the comments of the respondents, most people agree. For myself, I really can't see any evidence of deliberate intent, even in slow-motion. Rooney says he didn't do it deliberately, and feels strongly enough about it that he has refused to buy himself some leniency from FIFA by apologising. Why then, is there such support for the idea that Rooney brought the sending off on himself? If it wasn't deliberate, then surely he (and England) were unlucky with the dismissal?
Since it's not proven (and from the evidence I've seen, can't be), I prefer to presume innocence, so I take issue with the word "stamp" being used to describe Rooney's action on Carvalho. A stamp suggests a deliberate action. It would be better to say Rooney trod, or stepped, on Carvalho's balls.
In the context of the match, I can't understand the comments about Rooney's temperament, either. Given the intensity of the situation he behaved pretty calmly. His shove on Ronaldo was totally innocuous, remarkable only for the fact that Ronaldo didn't keel over as if poleaxed. It should have made a silly booking at worst. His principal crime, in the eyes of most critics, seems to be that he's an unattractive Scouse kid from a poor background, with limited communication skills - oh, but of course, he must be a thug! Personally, I've seen people behave worse in a 5 a side Sunday knockabout.
The reaction to Ronaldo's part in all this has been excessive, but if he didn't spend so much time on his backside, screaming in indignation at the referee, having dived to get there, then people might be more fair-minded towards him. The reaction can be explained by England's disappointment with our World Cup campaign, and the manner of its ending. We know that we weren't very good, but to my eyes even poor, misfiring England, hamstrung by very ordinary displays from some senior players, and an unfamiliar system, outplayed Portugal. With 11 men, the game was under England鈥檚 control; with 10, they still had the better chances. The vaunted Portuguese midfield was kept very quiet in the game, and as a team they could have played for a month & still not scored. Whether you agree or not, the upsetting thing is surely that 2 reasonably well-matched teams couldn鈥檛 play a full game of 11 against 11, in order to reach a fair result. If that had happened, and the Portuguese had won (whether on penalties or not), most of us could accept it, congratulate Portugal, and move on.
Anyway, objectivity seems to have been lost in a lot of the contributions here. Personally, I don鈥檛 watch or play sport to get excited about who can best con the referee. Football should be a game of strength, skill and will to win, to be played honestly, hard and fair. There should be room for cleverness & ingenuity, but not for deviousness. Surely, most of us are able to understand that difference?
Obtaining a free kick or other advantage, by committing an opponent to a foul = 鈥減rofessionalism鈥, albeit in a negative sense;
Winding an opponent up, in order to coax him into doing something rash = gamesmanship;
Diving to the ground when there is minimal or no contact, handling the ball deliberately, obtaining unfair advantage by taking illegal substances, etc. = cheating;
Going into a tackle with the intent to injure an opponent, deliberate use of the elbow, etc. = violent conduct;
Asking the referee to book an opponent, or simulating injury, or whining about other players = playground babyishness: unwelcome in my 9 year old daughter, and unacceptable in a man.
The first two aren鈥檛 particularly attractive features of the game, but are OK by me. The other three are unacceptable and unmanly, and must be stamped out, by whatever means necessary, without exception. So, for the record, Portuguese people, I would apply these standards to the England team. Would you apply them to Portugal?
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dear carl,
1) both ronaldo and henry have been loyal to the premiership so i dont kno quite wat your going on about ther
2) yes actually, it is double standrads fool, if u watch carefully then u will c that it is deffo double standards
3) and ronaldo hasnt shown any contempt for the english, he beat them at a football game, big deal, how is that showing contempt and as for the point about england giving him money, freddy ljundgburg scored against england and he was also being paid by the english
people like u r so sad, plz think properly about wat your going 2 say b4 u start saying it or i mught just have 2 tell u 2 stop again
oh yeh, and 1 more thing, dont say anything else about ronaldo, and if u do, then no1 will be worse 4 u than me and this may be a threat but i dont actually kno u or wher u live so dont worry, i'm just getting my point across which is, DON'T DISS RONALDO, HE PLAYED A GAME AGAINST ENGLAND AND WON IT, U CANT SAY ANYTHING 2 HIM 4 THAT, GET A LIFE AND DONT BE SUCH A SORE LOSER, END OF ARGUEMENT
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Meriam
You are the fool if you cannot tell the difference between Ljundberg scoring a perfectly valid and lawful goal and someone head butting someone from behind.
No-one has said anything against Freddie because what he did was part of the game of football.
You are the fool for even making the comparison.
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If there was a world cup for "scapegoating" and "laying blame", egland would be second to none. They have blamed the coach, Rooney, the three guys with the unsuccessful penalty kicks, Beckham and Ronaldo (who, by the way, is being treated so unfairly). Who are you going to blame next? I'm sure you'll find someone. Im boycotting "The Sun".
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I am surprised nobody noticed that the reason why the German team often could not follow their play through, was because the ground was littered with sprawlled Italians.
It is easy to vilify an unexpected player at the semi-final, especially an often forgotten country like Portugal, daring to challenge the "expected" order of things.
I love England, but it is a sad day when we become sore loosers and have to find a scape-goat. England needs to change its game, if we are to fulfill our football dreams.
After this hate run against Portugal and some of its best players at the moment in English teams, Spain will be the winner. There is always someone clever enough to put our discards to good use.
The last to laugh, laughs the hardest...
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Portugal had no place in the semifinal game. In fact they should have been beaten by Holland early on. They cheated their way through with dives, headbutts, late tackles from behind, etc.. Someone said that they played better than England! Portugal failed to score or even come close to scoring with one player up against England for most of the game. Now, how did they play better? The only award Portugal should receive is for selling some of the worst stunt dives to the referees of this tournament. I wonder if they actually have training sessions to practice diving stunts or they are just simply talented cheats!
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Well said Ajala! A lesson in humbleness and good sportsmanship is badly needed!
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The Portugese team perfectly represents the attitude of the professional sport business: 'Win at any cost!' It prevails in a lot of countries: When you are even, you drop to the pitch at any contact with an opponent to get a free kick or penalty shot. Once you are ahead, you make it hard for your opponents to play their game by still going down at any possible contact but now you stay down by faking injury or by argueing every decision the referee makes. This allows your defence to catch their breath, the coach to communicate with you and drinks for everybody. Your opponent is getting incensed and lose their concentration, they get carded and you are getting an advantage.
The question is now what can be done to get rid of the actors and the fakers. I fondly remember an Austrian referee in the 1960's who delt with fakers by unceremoneously lifting them up and dropping them over the sideline and let the play continue; it was apparently a benefit that this man was a butcher by profession. Nowadays every time a player goes down and stays down, an army of people rush onto the field with stretcher and medical people enough for a small town hospital, drinks are distributed and at the sideline the coach goes over the game plan.Is it surprising that the tactic of faking injury is so widespread?. Review if you can the game between Holland and Portugal, where Portugal led by a beautiful goal in the first half and the game between France and Portugal where France had an early lead. Against Holland Portugese players spent a lot of time 'Rolling in Agony' against France they did not because they were behind. Apart from the diving I find this tactic the most despicable in modern soccer.
Modern technology should be used to unmask the crooked players, an offical behind a monitor in direct communication with the referee will determine wether it was real or faked and cards should be issued accordingly.
As a consequence of my hatred for all the fakers, the only league soccer I am a big fan of is your Premierleague in which sportsmanship is still a virtue in spite of the small minority of Robbens, Ronaldos and Drogba's, hopefully they'll leave for southern Europe soon. Kind regards and thanks for your brand of soccer.
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Everybody's talkin trash about Ronaldo and the Portugal squad, well I am Canadian and a football fan. watched all of the Portugal, Italy, English and Brazil's games. I think all teams tryed there best. In regards to portugal's diving. Let's see the last time I checked you only start diving when you are loosing. Portugals first game 1-0 Portugal vs Anglola, second game 2-0 Portugal vs Iran, 3rd game 2- 1 Portugal vs Mexico, 4th game 1-0 Portugal vs Holland, now it start getting interesting from what I saw in the game was an dangerous play on Ronaldo that should have been a Red card, followed my a fanastic goal from Maniche, and then I saw a lot of diving (Robben, Kuyt, and Van Persie), of course they had to dive they were down a goal. You can see fron the reaction of the Portuguese defenders that they were getting a little upset with it. Then all hell broke loose but remember Portugal was winning so who do you think started it? Well Portugal won and the English decided that they were going to use the Holland game as leverage for their game agaist Portugal if Portugal won then no matter what there was going to be excuses. Portugal nil England nil but one man down so who do you think did the diving there? from what I saw no not Rooney he did great whenever he got the ball, but Crouch tried every time and so did J.Cole and remember England did not what to go to a shootout. But England lost and so with all the negative media from Holland and England, the French just ate it up and Portugal did not stand a chance against France. From what I saw the French were calling the Portuguses players dirty and cheater, because Henry is a saint (Remember their game with Spain). So remember if you are winnng no need to dive but if you are losing then everybody dives and that is what Portugal did yesterday against France after a cheesy call against them in the box. As for C.Ronaldo he has fast feet don't touch them or he will go down, can he help that he is so skillfull, and what he did with Rooney, do think Rooney would of just sat around and ingnored if the same thing happened to him NO he would of done the same thing gauranteed, a stomp to the nuts, get real. Everbody would want Ronaldo on their team. By the the my Parents are Italian so Forza Azzurri
Do mess wit the Italian we are 60mill strong feel sorry for the Portuguese.
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Cristiano Ronaldo will go on to play great football and join the ranks of Pele and Mueller.
C'mon English, if Ronaldo wasn't good he would not have been playing for Manchester United. Manchester United doesn't pay him peanuts.
Rooney needs to be punished for trampling another player's private part. In real life that would have been an assault. Can he get away with it? FIFA should ban him for life. Anyway, he couldn't even play without fouling.
The French team never played good football. Henry played a selfish game. He could never play without fouling. In the semifinal against Portugal, Henry fell because he was a weak player. The media says that he is a strong footballer, but then the way he went down showed the contrary or does it prove that he dived??? It is for football fans over the world to judge how fair a game was played. Almost, all the teams had their players diving. One just cannot blame Portugal. One has to blame FIFA for not taking strict action against such type of behaviour. FIFA has still a long way to go and the rich nations too have still to grow up.
All the best to Cristiano Ronaldo and the Portugal team, they played a better game than France. The referee's action here showed that he was biased and favoured the French. Many of the fouls against Portugal were ignored by him.
My bet is that Italy will thrash France in the finals.
Good luck and all the best to the Italian team. Hope they go home with the World Cup 2006.
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The double standards and selective memory is incredible.
A few have you have rattled on about the Portugal - Holland game. No one mentions the Boularouz assault after seven minutes on Ronaldo, which the way the tournament had gone was worthy of a Red Card. Few of you mention that Robben, Kuyt and Van Persie went down a combined 16 times (yes I counted)with the merest of touches. They were so bad that Terry Venables actually called out Ruud Gullit live during Half Time about it.
In the second half the great sports the Dutch turned a 3 on 2 situation on the edge of their own box stopped by the ref, then promptly ran 30 yards trying to attack instead of returning the ball. Half of the bookings in that game happened in the last 20 minutes after that incident. Was that the Portuguese being unsporting. It was an unsavoury game from the very first minutes.
You are hypocrites when you single out the Portuguese. Italy won against Australia in the last minute with a dive. As for England Gerrard who was very vocal about Ronaldo, has dived many times including the last friendly game, what a hypocrite. The deciding factor in the Trinidad game was the lovable robot Peter Crouch, why not admit that if he doesnt grab Brett Sanchos dreads stopping him from jumping, he doesn't score and maybe England dont win. You are damned hypocrites ignoring Joe Coles three first half dives. You can go back to Michael Owen in 1998 against Argentina. Or in 1990 for the Angel, Gary Linekers penalties against Cameroon.
Portugal were dreadful this tournament for their antics but ignoring everyone else and failing to look on your own doorstep is denial of the highest order and if you want to sort out the problem of bad sportsmanship, stop buying tickets to your favourite Premiership where players are diving all over the place.
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Cristiano Ronaldo will go on to play great football and join the ranks of Pele and Mueller.
C'mon English, if Ronaldo wasn't good he would not have been playing for Manchester United. Manchester United doesn't pay him peanuts.
Rooney needs to be punished for trampling another player's private part. In real life that would have been an assault. Can he get away with it? FIFA should ban him for life. Anyway, he couldn't even play without fouling.
The French team never played good football. Henry played a selfish game. He could never play without fouling. In the semifinal against Portugal, Henry fell because he was a weak player. The media says that he is a strong footballer, but then the way he went down showed the contrary or does it prove that he dived??? It is for football fans over the world to judge how fair a game was played. Almost, all the teams had their players diving. One just cannot blame Portugal. One has to blame FIFA for not taking strict action against such type of behaviour. FIFA has still a long way to go and the rich nations too have still to grow up.
All the best to Cristiano Ronaldo and the Portugal team, they played a better game than France. The referee's action here showed that he was biased and favoured the French. Many of the fouls against Portugal were ignored by him.
My bet is that Italy will thrash France in the finals.
Good luck and all the best to the Italian team. Hope they go home with the World Cup 2006.
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Diving is such a part of Portugese football culture that while Miguel injured himself Scolari and the whole bunch of assistant coaches, therapists, massagists et all ran mouthfoaming to the sideline like a Pavlov's syndrom...
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Amazing the reaction this topic is getting.
There were a number of incidents last night where Portugal were guilty of gamesmanship. Figo went down early on and seemed to be in real agony, goes off on the stretcher, but we have a miracle recovery and he sprints back on. There was a corner where Ronaldo threw himself to the floor, there was Scholari berating the ref after the match, and there were numerous theatrical dives from numerous players - to which Scholari was up complaining about each and every time, Ronaldo can consider himself unlucky to bear the burden of a team in some respects because its all of them - I half expected Ricardo to dive when he went up in injury time. Whether it is or is not sour grapes from English press and fans is now irrelevant - Portugal were clearly trying to cheat. They are not alone, Italy regularly throw themselves to the floor and don't get me started on Arjen Robben or even Andy Johnson!
The Holland - Portugal game had 3 factors in the amount of cards it had - 1 a card happy ref, 2 diving players trying to get yellow cards given out to the opposition, 3 players from both teams trying to kick each other and then claim it was a dive. It was fun to watch but we can't have every game going the same way.
Incidently, the Penalty was a sure thing, Henry had distributed his weight across to the right and his ankle clearly got caught - and fairly substantially to boot - definate penalty.
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All four semi-finals got there by blatently cheating, some less than others, but even so.
Portugal were the worst cheats of all.
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I would just like to highlight some of the comments from the end of the game from the commentators.
Foul on Henry: Penalty awarded. The commentator said: he was in the area and there was contact. He could restore balance but he went down and so right he should as he was on the area. Clean Penalty!!
Seconds later: Ronaldo diving in the area: " There was contact but he could have restored his balance. Absolutely dive and disgracefull.
I feel sad for the hatred around. It's not nice for a country who calls himself so open. I heard someone say today that "the portuguese are dirty players and that usually reflects a country and all its citizens". Sick and sad!! But I shouldn't be surprised as this came from someone who only reads "The Sun".
I expect things like this from tabloids but I didn't expect it from 成人快手. Very dissapointed!!
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Next game, give C. Ronaldo a pair of fins and a snorkle!!!
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The British press obsession with the Portuguese鈥檚 鈥渁ntics鈥 and C. Ronaldo is becoming an hysterical paranoia. It looks like witch hunting. In no other country you see that kind of press coverage.
The Portuguese squad is not better or worse than most of others squads when it comes to antics. So why? Certainly because Portuguese squad did have the audacity to beat the almighty English squad.
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I am amazed on the double standards that the english press and some of the fanatics are using.I love to watch english football and could say without hesitation that is one of the few places in which you could see real fair play.On the other hand being honest , Wayne Rooney deserved the red card ,although Cristiano Ronaldo make an stupid gesture towards the bench.To me the big issue that is behind all is that the fans have been made to believe that without that incident, England could have reached later stages.I dont't think so because England really did not have a good performance in any of the games.That England have better football?I totally agreed, but it was not represented in this team?So it was not Ronaldo or Rooney it was the teamwork or the absence of it the culprit for the World Cup Fiasco.
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Like nearly all my countrymen I anticipated England would have a very successful tournament, why not? On paper we had and still have a team as good as anyone. The frustration lies in the fact that we stumbled from one game to another without showing the potential the team undoubtedly had, the ultimate test against Portugal was to be the turning point of our campaign,we would come out and show our true class, we failed, and this against a team, without being disrespectful, were inferior to us. The blame has to lie with Ericsson, what a feeble individual he proved to be, tactically, motivationaly. The sign of a good manager is that he can extract the best out of his players both as individuals and as a team, for the most part they lacked confidence even uncertainty. Hopefully before he dissappears into the obscurity he deserves our hero can perform a similar act he perpetrated against Carvalho
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pff
the bbc ans ENGLAND and all the british press should be ashamed to trash a 21 young man like this!
what rooney did is as shameful as ronaldo
but rooney the lovechild of england can kill a none,you will still find excuses
maybe what ronaldo did is a disgrace to football but what england is doing now is a disgrace to the human nature
with all your provocation,i really hope that no psycho or a disturb football fanatic will intend to ronaldo life!
if something like this happend the english people would have to take their responsability
frank from paris
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As a North American (Canadian) I am one of those who love the game of football (soccer) but realistically only watch major tournaments, as do many of my friends, colleagues or random person I happen to talk to about the WC.
As somewhat impartial observers I can tell you that among the people I talk to there is a true appreciation for the sheer skill, athletasism and beauty of the game. What is however a common viewpoint is that diving and embelshmint is not only cheating/distastefull/apalling, but down right cowardly. I know it may be unfair to compare sports, but as a hockey influenced culture we are accustomed to as a rule completely rejecting diving and embelishment, and expect toughness out of our players to the point that unless seriously hurt they ought to struggle back to the players bench to have a teammate relieve them. If even one player were to dive or fake injury to influence the refs they would be lambasted, even by their own supporters.
I truly hope FIFA finds the minerals to impose measures to rid this stain on such a beautiful game. Among other suggestions, I like the idea of fines/suspensions after a review of each game.
In the case of faking injury how about imposing a rule that if you call for a stretcher or if the trainer spends more than an alloted amount of time on the pitch attending to him, the manager must automatically replace him and therefore lose a substitution? Unless you've been seriously injured I see no reason for a stretcher....and on that point, some of these trainers must be maricle workers because one minute a player is rolling around like he's broken a tibia, and after a bit of spray and rub from an ice pack he's back up and running the next. It's a joke!
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u r the a bad loosers nothing mnore now i start to understand why hooligans r from uk,why dont u look to the scared face of lampard and gerard b4 take the penaltie and the smile of the portuguese players to understand the result.And let me tell u the worst dive i seen in Wc belongs to the crounch
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As an American, and one who has by and large enjoyed this World Cup, I can only express that the diving, and the overall terrible inconsistancy of the refereeing stand as shining reasons why football(soccer) will have trouble catching hold in the United States.
I enjoy atheleticism, and competition, but in a match like France-Portugal, I often feel I am watching a dramatic performance, and not a sporting event.
If I wanted to watch judges decide who made the most dramatic face while spinning and jumping, I would watch Ice Dancing.
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My final comment on this: If you don't like Ronaldo because of the Rooney incident alone, you miss the point. Rooney did a brutal foul, got sent of for it and deserved it. Period. Ronaldo showed some childish and unfair behaviour there, but this is only part of the whole story and that alone wouldn't be worth discussing (except for sure if you are English and can't get over having lost, which some people here clearly seem to do). No, for me the Ronaldo issue starts with the Netherlands game. There both teams showed the most unfair behaviour I have seen in quite a long time in football. Both were diving, cheating, fouling etc. The game was so bad that at one point I thought this must be a comedy show and it's just fake (maybe the great John Cleese taped it to make fun of us :-) And in the game against France yesterday Ronaldo was diving again. It's the combination of that that actually makes me not like him as a player (even so he has tremendous talent). And it's also not the whole Portugese team I have a problem with. I would have wished that Figo could end his career with a title, but then again, there were his diving team mates. And I know that several other people think the same way. Maybe it's finally a first sign towards the players that we (the fans) can't stand this nonsense anymore. So stop it! Or we will continue to boo and whistle at each and everyone of you cheaters until you either give up or end up in a mental institution... :-)
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It's interesting to read the views of various foreigners on here who are outraged at the English reaction to the Rooney/Ronaldo situation, and to England's loss in general. I'm half English and half Irish (raised in England) and to be honest am totally embarrassed at some of the England fans' willingness to place the blame elsewhere. I predicted before the tournament that England would get knocked out by the QF stage - this is due to a myriad of reasons, but in no small part because of a tactically inept manager and spoilt prima donna, conceited players.
It couldn't have worked out better for the tabloid-reading, ignorant, arrogant English masses that this Rooney/Ronaldo incident occurred, as it enables them to find a scapegoat instead of facing their team's own inadequacies. "No-one is blinder than he who will not see" after all.
The funniest comment I read so far actually was the person who observed that the longer the English blame others instead of looking to themselves, the more years they'll carry on losing and thus continue to be the laughing stock of world football. Clearly then, they're not helping their own cause by this silly behaviour - the truth hurts, but you don't learn anything until/unless you face it. Why can the English NEVER just hold their hands up and admit they simply weren't good enough? There is ALWAYS another reason - oh it was a dodgy ref, a corrupt player etc. Looking at it rationally though, what are the chances of that being the case all the time? For that to happen once or twice would be unlikely, let alone at every big tournament. Something isn't right with your reasoning there.
I, like others, am also very disappointed in the 成人快手's inability to be impartial. I used to admire the 成人快手 for its ability to be cool-headed and sensible instead of sensationalistic.
The educated people who were listening to Lineker's, Shearer's and Wright's imbalanced rhetoric would obviously have ignored it and drawn their own conclusions; unfortunately though, most people in this country are "The Sun" reading morons who do not have the mental capacity to question anything. I feel the 成人快手 were very irresponsible and seemed to forget that not everyone watching is a bitter English fan.
Some of the English are just showing how small-minded, bitter and resentful they can be - most of the rest of the world already knew this about them though. Ugly to witness the dark side of the English character emerging, but alas, not really too surprising.
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Its truly pathetic to see that England can't win and can't lose. You lot are so scared of losing that you cant win and when you dont win you blame the other side for cheating (not the ref) then you blame your coach because he's foreign or because he earns too much. Its pathetic until you face up to the fact that you need to be better in fact the best to win! Dont believe the hype if all it takes to beat you is a few tricks and cheats then maybe you better give up now and save yourselves the heartache
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I just want to say one final thing on this matter and that is that the Portuguese are a truly friendly people. Nothing that has happened in a game of football should alter our warm feelings towards the Portuguese people in even the slightest way.
Also they are our oldest political and diplomatic allies. A Treaty of Friendship between our two countries was signed over 500 years ago and has never been broken, our two countries have never been at war.
But in football feelings run high because we have a passion for the game. Maybe we did not expect such an encounter with Portugal which has surprised many of us and to be honest left many feeling a little bewildered that things turned out as they did.
To Cristiano.
Fool, how can you post as "Art" then use your real name. Even I could see through that. I thought your dive against France was worthy of an Olympic Champion and I especially liked the head flick that you performed in mid air. 10 out of 10, you are truly the Master.
To Meriam
Can we not kiss and make up and I will never say anuthing horrible about your beloved Cristiano ever again.
To friendship. It's only a game at the end of the day. As one one game ends another one begins. Let's look to the future.
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#281 Derry:
People like you should be ashamed of themselves for explicit difamation and mud throwing without any other purpose but to give a worse image than that left by your collective behaviour in thes Championship.
Your allegations of cheating are dubious and unclear at best. You claim the team that has knoked you out of the championship to be disonest at the same time the English team contains notorious examples of the same kind of "cheating" you claim portugal to have commited. And your continued campaign of support for all Portugals rivals on this tournament also proved to overlook the same kind of acts with perhaps the exception they were the ones to have taken into the realm of result changing.
Calling Portugal divers and cheats doesnt make us any different than any of the finalists in this world cup.
Its only from England that such allegations are comming from because in Frances and Spanish news sites I visited there arent any insults of the like at all. Its downright hylarious that some people here say and beleive we were viewed as cheats to the whole world when the source is THESUN quotes pasted onto other english speaking journals.
The true disgrace of the WC only happened in England and it has got down to each individual character.
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What amazes me most about BOTH Portugal and England is the amazing amount of invective spewing forth AFTER both sides lost their respective matches. I discovered the same thing on just about every other WC blog: English and Portuguese fans blaming one another for their losses, in utter denial of the reality of where their respective teams are, namely out of the tournament, and not because of diving or bad sportmanship or a stray kick to the balls, but because the teams simply were a)unlucky, and b)simply not good enough.
Unlucky because often enough a stray player shoots a ball that gets through because the goalie was a split second too slow or the player just took a pot shot that turned out lucky, and not good enough because the later stages of the knockout rounds in the UEFA cup or WC show the teams that are CONSISTENTLY good enough to make it through to the final (but even there, there are exceptions, such as the way France played last night). Even if England had managed to somehow beat Portugal (with or without Rooney), they would have come up against France, and later Italy and their chances would have been extremely small there. Portugal might have beaten France last night with an iota more of luck, but they would certainly not have won against Italy.
England's football problems are largely self inflcited, partly because of the English media being unable to make any objective judgement of their own team before a tournament and hyping them to death only to scream for public hangings when England once again crash out. Another part of the problem is that by and large, the really good and dedicated TEAM players, like Gerrard or Lennon are mostly ignored and the focus is placed on a captain who is good in set pieces and nowhere else and a thug who , in my opinion, is so dimwitted that he doesn't realise he's part of a TEAM and tries to force his way through the opposing team instead of making the occasional pass. Rooney should be playing Rugby, not football.
Add to that an imbecile of a coach, who takes along a 17 year old reserve player, and is simply too emotionally isolated or cold hearted to realise that his team might be (shock) nervous when playing penalties, not because they didn't practice enough.
The way England played without the thug, Rooney, or the more interested in his appearance Beckham, one man down against Portugal came very close to the level that Italy played against Australia, and they were a pleasure to watch.
Once England drop the big ego players and confused inept managers for players who will play till the last minute with and for the team, England will be up there with the best of them, not before.
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Don't shoot! Just tell me what you think. All this Scolari hype? Ok, he won with Brazil...surrounded by some of the best players ever. But I see very little difference in the Portugese game..it remains an under achieving squad with several brilliant players. They truly belong in the Final Four but sputtered against England despite the man advantage and flopped against France despite having the better team on paper. If we are going to credit a coach with making a difference...maybe give the french manager credit for two significant upsets against two teams who were supposed to be offensive power houses. Not really sold on the Scolari mania myself. I tend to have more respect for the more stable, controlled coaches. He was going wild on the side line and this loss of composure is without a doubt a distraction to the team. Klinsmann was also guilty of this in the Italy game. Calm and controlled throughout the tournament he suddemly turned into a water bottle throwing, arm waving, cursing distraction. The French Domenic and Italy's Lippi were better leaders I think. And like him or not Ericsson's reserved demeanor helped keep England in that game til the penalty sgots. Food for thought..
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In my opinion, the guy that cheated most in this world cup is Thierry Henry who dived against Spain and Portugal. There was no free kick against Spain and Spain may have stayed in the competition if Thierry Henry was not so stupid. Much worse, there was no penalty against Portugal and this time Henry was just cruel. You can always criticise the portughese that dived, they just tried to use the same technic than Henry because definitely it worked for him. But there were not as good as him to cheat, God bless... Thierry Henry should be smart enough and retire after this world cup.
Shame on him and on France
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Dear Sir,
Portugal does not need to be defended with comments like yours. Cristiano Ronaldo is a young boy that likes soccer and plays exceptionally well. Don鈥檛 you think what has been done by the English to spoil his chances of getting the 鈥榖est young player鈥, which he deserves, totally unethical? The Portuguese players played with their courage and ability. The Portuguese fans were also civilized, what we cannot say of fans from some other countries. Therefore, Viva Portugal!!!!
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Wayne Rooney IS a great footballer but does he score enough goals against quality opposition? The answer is no. Peter Crouch looks like he 'won a competition to play in an international' sometimes but he scores more goals than Rooney at international level. Rooney never scored a goal in the Qualifiers and he hasn't scored a goal in the Finals either, so, forgive me but if this was Crouch's world cup form would he have got a game...... or still be in the squad? Didn't we beat the Germans 5-1 (one of the best days of my life) without Rooney and playing 4-4-2?
Now for Christian Ronaldo.......He should have never tried to get his club team mate sent off, this shows a very dark side in his personality. It was bang out of order and he deserves a wedgie for it......its obvious that he is trying to engineer a move to Real Madrid, isn't it?!?!?
The person that has escaped the blame and should shoulder most of it is that overpayed Swede (Turnip?) who tried to experiment formations at the World Cup Finals...HELLO! He had players at his disposal that have proved themselves at Champs League level and only succeeded in making them look as stupid as himself!
Now for Portugese people.....I stopped off in Lisbon on a cruise in 2003 and every Portugese person I met was as nice as pie. I will be going back on the 19th of July for my holiday! Can't wait!
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#297 Theo: dont turm me into an English fan trasnvesty into Portuguese. I have been saying what I have been saying since the Englands game and havent changed a single coma about it. You will not find the kind of rants over specific results from me.
The french won and Im over it.
I have never posted so much in sports in my life maybe because i like ideologic causes. This one is to stop country bashing. I'm appalled to see the hate campaign Englands press is doing and reprisals being taken. You wont see anything like this from our side. I guess thats a question of mentality Imtrying here foolishly and in vain to change. For god sakes its a game.
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I'm English, have lived in Portugal for five years, and love football. Half-way through the second season I was here I gave up watching Portuguese league football because of the way it is played. There is invariably at least 50 fouls a game (more than twice the Premiership), players go down at the slightest contact, followed by lots of rolling around in apparent agony, players dispute nearly every decision, and repeatedly harangue and try to intimidate the officials, and there is nearly always a m锚l茅e at some point involving most of the players. This can get farcical, one game I saw had a first half of 53 mins, and a second of 50 to accommodate the time wasted on the anti-football. A Benfica v Sporting game four years ago had 73 fouls, 11 yellows and two reds!
It really is a shame, because for the size of population they produce lots of very good, skilful players, and they love the game with a passion here, but the lack of discipline and casual cynicism destroy it as a spectacle. Play is hardly ever allowed to develop between whistles, there is no flow to the game, and as a result it is poor entertainment. So much so that even as a committed football lover, I've given up on it (fortunately I can get Spanish TV, so have the joy of watching La Liga, where skilful players are allowed to play, and it is terrific entertainment).
Let's not forget, that for two major tournaments in a row (Euro 2000 and Mundial 2002) Portugal crashed out in disgrace after a player struck an official! I'll repeat that: struck an official! Scolari got on top of it, and I thought Portugal played as fairly as anyone at Euro 2004, but in the knockout stages here, old habits have re-emerged, and they have seriously harmed their reputation again. Certainly there is, both on this board and from what I can tell back in the UK, a Sun-type lynch mob mentality around, and they are by no means the only offenders in what to my mind has been a divers' World Cup, but Portugal do need to have a long hard look at themselves, and realise that this behaviour does actually work against them. I talk about this with my Portuguese friends, and the problem really is that they don't seem to realise that they do have a problem. What it needs is a strong leadership at the Portuguese FA, along with clubs and the officials, to address this issue which is so harmful to both their national and domestic football. Perhaps the intensity of the criticism now may help, but I suspect it will be a case of denial again.
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Im Portuguese and yes Portugal dive as everybody dive, but we dont take lessons from a hoolygan country
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Unbelievable!!!!
It is no wonder why so many people around the world consider the English media and most English soccer fans to be the worst of the bunch.
Go figure you have a portuguese coach (Mourinho) as the leader of one of the best clubs in England. hahahahah you guys don't know what they heck your talking about. Hahahah it makes me laugh.. all you critics when you should re-evaluate your english squad who hasn't done anything in 40 years.
But perhaps all they need is some discipline... and Mourinho as a coach... hahahahahahah
Keep the passion of soccer on the pitch and don't criticize other countries... it's a bloody soccer game!
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Acters and divers are killing the game and Blatter&Co do nothing. Here are collection of Scolari's boys in what they do best. ...and all this in a single match!
Yellow card should be given in every situation where player dives, not only when he tries to get a penalty.
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As a North American (Canadian) I am one of those who love the game of football (soccer) but realistically only watch major tournaments, as do many of my friends, colleagues or random person I happen to talk to about the WC.
As somewhat impartial observers I can tell you that among the people I talk to there is a true appreciation for the sheer skill, athletasism and beauty of the game. What is however a common viewpoint is that diving and embelshmint is not only cheating/distastefull/apalling, but down right cowardly. I know it may be unfair to compare sports, but as a hockey influenced culture we are accustomed to as a rule completely rejecting diving and embelishment, and expect toughness out of our players to the point that unless seriously hurt they ought to struggle back to the players bench to have a teammate relieve them. If even one player were to dive or fake injury to influence the refs they would be lambasted, even by their own supporters.
I truly hope FIFA finds the minerals to impose measures to rid this stain on such a beautiful game. Among other suggestions, I like the idea of fines/suspensions after a review of each game.
In the case of faking injury how about imposing a rule that if you call for a stretcher or if the trainer spends more than an alloted amount of time on the pitch attending to him, the manager must automatically replace him and therefore lose a substitution? Unless you've been seriously injured I see no reason for a stretcher....and on that point, some of these trainers must be maricle workers because one minute a player is rolling around like he's broken a tibia, and after a bit of spray and rub from an ice pack he's back up and running the next. It's a joke!
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My wife has a question for the English football commentators "If the Portuguese are so known for their terrible diving and cheating and unfair play why on earth would you be so keen to sign their coach ????"
I cant answer this one
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It's not at all clear from this "defence ?" (glad you so accurately put a question mark after it) just where the "strength of anti-Portugal, and paticularly anti-Ronaldo, feeling" came from? Is it centered mainly among fuming England sore losers or is it more universal? There is, of course, always "much bitterness" among their supporters whenever England go out, no matter what the circumstances. But somehow, such rancor seems a little strained when you stop to consider the overlooked obvious fact that Portugal are a modest nation only one-sixth the size of England and did very well to beat them not just once, but two tournaments in a row. Are you trying to tell me that a country six times as large has to resort to lame excuses about diving or refereeing (by the WC final ref, no less) when they're beaten by such a smaller, pluckier country? My hat's off to Portugal for making the most of what they had and making it as far as they did! England should be embarassed at such a loss - and worse, at such excuses. Overhyped, overpaid "stars" like Lampard and Gerrard can't even make a penalty when the pressure's on?!! And the vilified Ronaldo could? The criticism appears to be very much misdirected here. How did a country six times as large get themselves trumped twice by Portugal? England could do with alot more self-criticism - starting with some particularly apt criticism of the English press; for among other things, scaring off Scolari who would have made an ideal managerial choice. Someone who could at last maybe get England past a quarter-final, again!
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I agree with all those disappointed with the attitute of the 成人快手 pundits (especially Alan Shearer) to England's defeat and towards Portugal.
Let's remember that there was no bad reaction by the English fans when Cristiano Ronaldo was taking the deciding penalty. Also John Motson had no issue with Ronaldo or Portugal during his commentary of the England-Portugal game, yet had adopted the venomous 成人快手 attitude for Portugal's semi-final.
John Motson's comment when Carvalho's booking ended his possible involvement in the final sums up the delusional hysteria that has developed in England after their defeat.
Motson: "I don't wish to be spiteful at all(!!), but HE WAS the player involved in the incident with Wayne Rooney, or at least one of them anyway - he was the player who Rooney, ah... allegedly, ah... stamped on." Priceless!
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Dear Ann Frank-USA
Ronaldo had only received so many votes as best young player of the tournament because Scottish supporters who are rivals with the English conducted a campain to generate mass votes for him in an attempt to "wind up" the English.
So the whole Ronaldo versus Valencia voting has simply been a contest between the two groups of supporters and has is not an indication of overal voting on the matter.
I don't know if you are referring to me when you say that Portugal does not need defending with comments like mine but that is obvious anyway. I think things should be put in perspective though because as you may not be aware feeling are running quite high in England and I think some common sense is called for.
England lost a game of football but that is all. England has lost before due to injustice on the pitch such as the infamous "Hand of God" goal by Maradonna.
Let's keep things in perspective I say and move on. It's over, the final whistle has been blown. It is a tradition in football for players that once the final whistle blows whatever went on on the pitch is forgotten as they assemble in the players bar for a drink together. Maybe the media and supporters should be the same. Game over.
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I think there's outrageous and nauseating levels of "Holier than thou" sanctimony flying around at the moment RE: Ronaldo, Portugal, and the 'fiendish antics' of foreigners鈥uch of it emanating from the 成人快手 (Alan Shearer *cough, *cough*) and other British media outlets.
I've happily been able to watch the incisive and objective (if at times overly negative) analysis of RTE (the Irish state broadcaster). While RTE pundits regularly criticise 'antics' and unsportsmanlike behaviour, they don't fall into the trap of sticking their chests out and proclaiming - in stern, nationalistic voices - "We're above all that in this (great) country" (or words to that effect).
The Beeb have dropped the ball big time in this tournament for me. Their attempt to cultivate an enthused, "jack the lad", atmosphere - with Shearer and Ian Wright - has led to a serious 'dumbing-down' of their sports broadcasting standards. Instead of sober, insightful analysis of the games, all we're getting are "we wuz robbed" or "They just don鈥檛 share our sense of fair play" type cack. It's patriotic meathead TV for those who believe that cheating and diving win the world cup (for scurrilous foreigners).
The simple fact is they don't. What wins the World Cup is skill, commitment, the ability to keep possession (and use it wisely), a cool head etc etc. Portugal went out because they couldn't convert their possession (and tidy passing) into clear goal scoring opportunities. There may have been some play-acting and diving, but fairly normal levels I would say.
The degree to which they're being demonised is truly scary and completely out of proportion to the seriousness of their 'crimes'. It may seem funny and "a bit of a laugh" now, but I won't find it amusing if Ronaldo (or one of his team-mates) ends up getting the crap kicked out of him by some Neanderthal fuelled on a diet of sensationalist media over-reaction.
Calm the hell down. Nobody died, nobody broke anybody's leg, nobody seriously hurt anyone. Massive storm in a tiny, tiny tea-cup.
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Funny to be english and french press and some of its supporters called portuguese players "the most and worst cheaters in the WC". But I don 麓t remember any penalty given by the referre - we had two, completely clearly, against Iran and Mexico. I dind 麓t see any portuguese player sending anybody from other team out of the game, as It happened with Cristiano Ronaldo, injured by Boularouz. So, why does they blame ronaldo and the portuguese,and not players like Boularouz, Rooney or Thierry Henry? Because english lost against Portugal? So, how can they speak about "fair play" and "honour in football" with reactions like these? I think I know the answers: Benfica, Porto, Sporting, Mourinho, Ronaldo, Ricardo, portuguese team.
By the way: much worse than "divings" It麓s hooligans and the tradicional violence that normally english fans get. Don 麓t forget about that.
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#306 finlander:
I actualy have a kick to see how much time the likes of you and the press such as the sun spend more time viewing Portugal material than watching and covering the World cup.
The articles on THESUN are quite amusing to watch. Their world cup coverage taken up entirely for covering portugal. All they can do is cry over siplled milk and watch others have success before their despair.
While In portugal we may change a thing or two on how players act on the pitch the English characters of the caliber I just described need a serious rethink of their whole life and way of being.
Its realy a shame that humans can go so low over entertainment.
Maybe its not just the Portuguese players that need their act together, but then thats easier done if FIFA does some changes and then all it will be left are hardwired mentalaities that are unlikely to change and keep being as vain as they have always been.
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An early post refers to the 成人快手 halftime montage of first half dives. The inclusion of Miguel was not a reference to any dive but to show the gamesmanship of (I think) Pauletta appealing vehemently for a freekick. Imagine, using the same analogy, that when Owen went down Gerrard, Mclaren, etc, remonstrating with the ref?
Or take another instance of cute behaviour later in the game that I'm not sure has been cited. When Barthez put the ball out of play so a player could be treated did Portugal give it back evenly? - no they ensured France started with a defensive throw in deep in their half.
Gamesmanship not unique to Portugal but the breathtaking reliance on it seems to be.
And let's remember that it's not the 成人快手 or ITV who were controlling the pictures of the games we saw. It was a German edited feed.
Hol v Por
Eng v Por
Fra v Por
All appaling games played with contempt for the spirit of the game. Not saying it was all one sided but there's a common factor and it's not the 成人快手, not the ref, not Rooney, etc.
And king amongst the players this tournament was C Ronaldo. His headpush on Rooney was cold and premeditated. Rooney's assault on Carvalho was spontaneous and reckless. Who had the intent when they started the game? That's what's so aggravating. His numerous dives last night were breathtaking and supported by a ref who awarded significantly more fouls against France. If FIFA awards him the young player award then shame on them for the example that it sets.
Does anyone seriously argue that Carvalho did not make real contact with Henry?!? If Henry hadn't have gone down would he have got the penalty it warranted? I doubt it and there's a problem there, but not as big a problem as a Coach going off the deep end when his (all flash no end product) star goes leaping to the ground with the only contact being that caused by his dive at the French players.
Much like telling a mother their child is ugly is never going to get heard it seems the same is true with all the Portuguese comment I've seen and heard so far about their team.
Finally to the Scots who are also taking a positive approach to the Portuguese sporting spirit - is it a case of thinking Big Phil and these tactics are your best hope of making a major tournament?
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during ajor tournaments, and, to be honest, why not premiership also - get an independent panel to look at the TV footage.
forget the refs on the ground
the reason why people con the ref is because the refs don't punish all the equally deliberate fouls made throughout the game by both sides... not just a world cup or continental thing but somehow something that's 'all part of the game'. hence he culture of deliberately overdoing the response to a challenge to show you have been impaired. diving stems from that. and it's not on but neither is the constant 'little' fouls that get away with it all the time. if the refs weres tronger then all would be ok but they obviously vcan't be so leave it to the cameras after the game. no interruption. decisive punishment
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I am portuguese and i have been living between portugal and england for the past six years. I feel and i will always feel proudly portuguese but i feel i know England a bit, its vices and virtues and i even feel a bit attached to it these days. It is in that condition, as well as of a football lover, that i write here.
I find this whole 'Ronaldo incident' following England's defeat to Portugal and its subsequent 成人快手 coverage - not the least Shearer's comments as well as last night's- absolutely shameful and disgraceful. It is in my opinion, one more example of how insular and detached England feels and is consequently felt, of how it is consumed by a notion and a fear of failure that impairs its feelings and actions and of its lack of elegance.
I just ask you to see the meaning of shearer's words and the 成人快手 and others's coverage from a pair of Portuguese eyes:
When Rooney clearly went against the rules - not english rules, let me tell you, fifa rules, international rules - what should Ronaldo have done? The poor guy, from a poor small country - that obviously is assumed not to be worth beating england, despite having it done before, after going to the final of the European Cup and a semi-final previously - because it has the 'privilege' of playing for one of the worlds' 'biggest clubs' what should have he done? He should have gone against his will to win for his country, for his will to dedicate the victory to his father that died recently, that was Portuguese, that always lived in POrtugal to whom it dedicated the victory and his last goal and, instead, he should have respected the privilege of 'being in England'. It should have refrained from just pointing to the referee that rooney had actually broken the rules badly, by being clearly out of line. That's how i see it. Or better put, i think this was the excuse that a nation absolutely impared by this fear of failure found to overcome a situation where they clearly didn't know how to beat POrtugal. We did know how to beat you, twice now. Just as France knew how to beat us. Congratulations to them. But to all that still stand behind this dodgy excuse, and sincerely excuse me for my lack of elegance here, a big F@!* O*!, because sometimes you have to stand up to things and enough is enough.
Our team reached the semis and lost yesterday a big big opportunity against France of making history, a deserved mark. OUr reaction? Recognising the French capability of winning, taking lessons from the defeat, getting stronger for the next time and staying behind our team, supporting the team, not trying to find the guilty part. YOu don't deserve Eriksson. And let me tell you, in one thing maybe you are right: we are NOT english!!!
Hugo
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A s an impartial observer from the US,and fan of the beautiful game,I see in these posted comments lots of complaining, frustration, and attempted justifications for the teams. Regardless of how right or wrong the arguements are, there will always be problems or issues with any sport as players will push the limits of the rules in place. Name me a sport without rule benders, and I will have a bridge to sell you.
Until you change the rules to change their behavior, the players will continue to take advantage of the rules and refs. In football, it ends up being "diving". You probably can't end up completely stamping out "diving", but you can change the rules to lessen the overall amount of "diving" that is done. For all games, anytime a card is given, anytime a penalty kick is awarded, anytime play stops due to an "injury", and any free kick in the offensive side of the pitch, should be subject to a mandatory post-match video review by a committee or group of officials. If the above actions were taken as a result of a "dive", then the player that performed the "dive" should be given a 5 game suspension without wages/pay, and if a goal resulted from the "dive", that goal would be stripped from that offending team. If the "dive" resulted in an inoccent player receiving a card, the card would then be revoked. These changes, and other similar ideas that I may have missed, would help to clean up the game, and curb the idea of the idea of trying to con the ref. Hitting a player in the wallet hits em where it hurts them the most.
"Diving" is more flagrant in football than other sports. It happens in ice hockey, but not as often. Because it is so flagrant, and does affect the course of a match more in football than in say hockey, it really does need to be harshly curbed, or otherwise, the game degenerates into a farce to see who can "outact" the other. Flopping all over the pitch like a fish out of the bowl makes the sport look dumb and really insults the fans of the game.
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成人快手 commentator John Motson's comment when Portugal's Ricardo Carvalho was booked against France, thus ruling him out of the final had Portugal won:
"I don't wish to be spiteful at all, but HE WAS the player involved in the incident with Wayne Rooney, or at least one of them anyway - he was the player who Rooney, ah... allegedly, ah... stamped on."
As an experiment, I used Google to translate Motson's quote into Portuguese, and then used Google again to translate the Portuguese back into English. Interesting result:
"Serves him right for trying to injure Wayne Rooney's, ah... metatarsal with his, ah... testicles!"
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The diving by all the players was shameful. No need to single out any one player. The tackle on Henry that earned a penalty did seem questionable, but Henry certainly did flail his arms like a drowning man. After football, next stop Hollywood, California for Thierry. And why all the hate for Cristiano Ronaldo? Place the blame for Rooney's sending off squarely where it belongs . . . ON ROONEY'S SHOULDER.
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Diving and professional fouling have been going on for years.
It probably started with a manager saying "make sure the ref knows you were fouled" and has now become an art-form, to the extent that players go all out to "win" a penalty (or direct free kick). Even the commentatators talk about "winning" a penalty as if that is a great achievement. Certainly team members all rush to congratulate their colleague who "won" the penalty.
The blame for this behaviour is to an extent FIFAs (for not explicitly outlawing it and introducing severe penalties) but even more so the Managers at both club and international level (who should know its wrong and not need laws from above). Players would stop this behaviour if their managers dropped them or stopped their wages for x number of matches. It won't happen because the most important football (ie the big money) is at league level and all that is important is results.
Four years ago the Italian manager and team were able to deflect criticism against their exit to South Korea by blaming the referee. In reality they only had themselves to blame. Whilst a referee "may" influence a match he cannot in this day and age dictate its outcome. Against South Korea, Italy could, and indeed should, have won. They failed to take clear cut opportunities that they should have done and ended up losing. Based on their performance throughout the tournament they didn't deserve to go through. However due to some dodgy decisions by the ref/linesmen they chose to blame them instead. The Italian people were not so gullible and knew where the real blame lay. As a result they seemed to have learnt their lesson from that.
I'm afraid England is the same this year. They didn't play well throughout the tournament and were unable to beat an (on paper/cost) inferior team. Weren't they themselves beaten by a 10 man team 4 years ago?
They have been handed a great excuse and can continue to ignore the real problems of English football.
However they must do so at their peril. They need only look north of the border to see where England as a national team is headed.
They may claim that the Premiership is the greatest league in the world - it isn't, but it is destroying English national football.
And whose fault is that - it is the English fans supporting their premier league teams (not necessarily local nowadays). They demand victory for their team and don't care if any Englishmen play for it (Arsenal). some "English" teams are owned by non-English, managed by a non-Englishman and have have more non-English fans than English ones (ManU) - what do they care about the English national team?
I am devestated for England but at the end of the day have no sympathy for them - they could and should have done better and no amount of Ronaldo's are an excuse for their failure.
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Dear Weblog master.
Please be so kind and become somehow close to an impartial and neutral (jornalistic) co-ordinator of this posting. I understand somehow that frustrations of some couple of hard headed have to come out in some way and up to the ones that directly have shown to be better than them...but...seeing 成人快手 responsibles to cope or even sponsoring this beahvours and comments is a bit of a shock for most of us (englishmen or not). I allways took the english press for a two-way reality: The Real (成人快手 and similar...) and the Bullshit (SUN, Mirror, and all this garbage). I believe I've been cheated...You just can't get neutral once You've been pissed of by someone or something you can't beat/win or defeat. Am I right or am I right??? Gentleman's greatings
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I do not understand how the 成人快手 can allow the kind of unprofessional, biased behaviour of they commentators during the match analysis. They obviously a bunch of uneducated retired footballers, behaving like they chatting and drinking at the local pub, unaware that the 成人快手 its watched and PAID not just by English citizens, but also by thousands of other foreign nationals.
So please, Mr Shearer, Mr Wright and Co, show a little respect and keep your frustrations and biased views to yourselves.
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Paul (post 106). Funnily enough, Terry Butcher hacked Maradona down after he had kicked the ball to score the goal!
Not sure what sense of fair play there was in that?.
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As an American who plays soccer but pays little attention to European clubs except during the World Cup, the semifinals were the yin and yang of soccer for me...
On Tuesday I watched an epic, brilliant match between Italy and Germany with both teams playing hard yet fair amd giving their allfor their countries.
On Wednesday I watched a flat, boring French team beat a pathetic, flopping bunch of Portuguese who were too busy falling over to play futbol.
I had no rooting interest before the second match, but now I will root against Portugal forever. That was a shameful display and is the perfect example of why soccer has never caught on in the States. No American sports fan can stomach such nonsense. Give us more games like Germany/Italy and we would gladly join the world in celebrating the beautiful game of futbol.
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At last a voice of reason. Portugal were absolutely unbearable, diving with every opportunity. However, the fact that they beat England made them the villains of the tournament more than anything else. There is no need to look for scapegoats here. These are two different issues: 1) Portugal's conduct was disgraceful, but they got what they deserved in the end. But they were beaten by a team that played good football. Which brings me to 2)England were very bad, worse than I had ever seen them before. Totally negative, playing one man up front against the likes of Ecuador, no imagination, no flow. Rubbish. And it's not the team. It's Sven. Sven has never convinced me, despite his so-called good record. He has always been negative, be it at home to Macedonia or away to Albania. He could never make his players give 100%. And he didn't understand that you must pick the players that fit a good system, not the other way round. Beckham and Lampard should have been dropped. Throw in Lennon and a second striker....but then again he only took a couple of fit ones, and one got injured....
So forget about Portugal. The fact that they knocked England out only reflects how Sven managed to create a bad team from some of the best material in the world. End of story. It's not about Ronaldo or Rooney.
Marios
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Who's really at fault here... is it Ronaldo or is it that England missed all of their penalty kicks? And oddly enough the only one who was able to score(and just barely) was ironically a Canadian - the best player on the pitch.
As a fan of the game it was truly disgusting to listen to the bbc commentators who in the past have called pretty impartial games. However in the Fra vs Por match their biased opinions were an obvious sign of bitterness toward a Portuguese squad who yet again managed to outplay, outlast, outscore the poor English squad.
Oddly enough if England is so great in the sport of soccer than why is it that the FA always hires foreigners to coach the squad. Sandra I totally agree with you...
I'm sure the bbc covered this news point early on when Erikson was leaving that the job for head coach of England was indeed offered to Mourinho.. ... a PORTUGUESE COACH(who is coaching the top english premier team.... Chelsea..)
IT'S JUST A GAME EVERYONE....DON'T PUNISH RONALDO FOR WHAT ENGLAND COULDN'T ACCOMPLISH!
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Did you really expect English commentators not to be biased towards England. I find it laughable that the portugese people on this site dont condemn there own players. Instead they say "Ow France did it, so we can do it as well" or rather "France did it so go blame them". Surely they can admit that watching there side dive there through the entire tournament, it casts doubts over there sportsmanship and I think the media have every right to criticise the portugal team including the coach how was along with the Divers a disgrace (in the portugal france game).
With regard Ronaldo being made a scape goat, I don't beleive he has been. England weren't good enough as this world cup and really to get the last 4 playing the way we were would have been an embarrisment to the competition. However Portugal weren't exactly electric we really should won that game (more that any other games in the tournament). Sure Portugal dominated possesion against 10 men but England made the better chances. Had portugal played wonderful football and thrashed us I can assure every englishman would have held the hands up and congradulated portugal but I think the element that we were screwed out of the match by portugals antics has created this os called 'Anti-portugal'. And the match against france justified this in almost comical fashion - Portugal (the team not the nation) has not one dropp of integrety.
I think you'll find the FA doesn't always hire foreign managers, in fact I believe that Mr Eriksson is the first one ever.
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I personally dont know why everyone is offended by the perforamances of Lineker, Shearer, motson &co.
It was bloody histerical, all their comments were amazing:Here's my top 3
-Shearer:"Only 3 or 4 players from the semifinalists would get a game for England"
-Hansen(the day after the Germany Italy game):"The best football has been played by Brazil Argentina and......ENGLAND!!!
-Sharer:"I'm convinced that England are still the best squad in the world"
PRICELESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Am I missing something? So many people saying how rubbish England are and how great Portugal are. What is my opinion is that England outplayed Portugal in the quarter finals. What is NOT opinion is that Portugal failed to score in 120 minutes - 60 of those against only ten men. How great does that make Portugal? The fact is that once it gets down to the quarter finals, luck, a bad refereeing decision, etc. plays a bigger part that skill and talent. On their day, any of the top 10 countries can beat each other.
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Lets examine two points.
First: All this Ronaldo hysteria has nothing to with Diving. Diving has always existed in football and always will; Zidane for example did dive against Portugal;
Henry did dive against Spain and Portugal; WHY isnt anyone talking about it???
Diving and play acting are part of Footballers GUILE; It already existed back in 1930 when URUGUAY won the first world Cup!
Of course its up to the referee to see through that. But you cant expect to have Footballers to play without guile. Pele and Maradona were full of guile..
Second: This has nothing to do with Ronaldo talking to referees either. Players have always appealed to referees, when they see a harsh foul being commited, and ARE ENTITLED TO DO SO!
YOU CAN APPEAL TO THE REFEREE! You cant push him of course, but you can appeal!Thats one of the reasons he is there!
So whats this about???
This is about a bandwagon created by the English Media to "explain" another failure of the England team.
Ultimately England (who many said was going to walk over a depleted Portugal without Deco and Costinha) showed very very LITTLE on the pitch, BEFORE and AFTER Rooney expulsion. ENgland started as "FAVOURITES" and at half time were already underdogs!
Rooney did something APPALING, much worse than diving: He did VIOLENT and DANGEROUS GAME! His stamp on Carvalho was VICIOUS!
Yet Little England now says Wayne is just a big heart lad, a fully and passionate commited player, bla bla bla, who didnt even disearve yellow card for that. DO ME A FAVOUR! HOW HYPOCRITE CAN YOU BE??
WHy souldnt Cristiano protest over such dirty behaviour? YES, to kick an opponent in the balls is much much more DIRTY than diving or winking!
Ronaldo was turned into a scape goat to hide the great truth: THat despite being a small nation, the Portuguese have more football than the English.
YES they play-act, like good latins they are, but they have also some wonderful football skills in them;their first touch and ball keeping skills for example, is marvellous. Thats what make them win games, not diving.
Of course, They are not a World Power like Brasil or Argentina, but they are a PRETTY GOOD side, and YES BETTER than England. YES, Thats why they beat them THREE times over the last six years.
THE REST IS EXCUSES AND SOUR GRAPES!
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England lost against Portugal in Euro 2000;
England lost against Portugal in Euro 2004;
England lost against Portugal in WC 2006.
Any doubts about the source of the stupid and pathetic anti-Ronaldo and anti-Portugal hate? Even other so called "big" countries are envy about the "small" country that is messing with everyone in every major tournament. Well, stuff it and digest it.
Yesterday I saw a good dive by Henry and a good defensive football by the French all the way since the begining of the 2nd half. They were affraid of Portugal and we had 2/3 chances to equalize.
England, please start to learn how to loose, because loosing is a normal result for you. Cheers!!
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I dont see whats the fuss? Honestly, England lost Portugal won. Questionable no doubt but they won, and its common news that Ronaldo is a drama queen, but to be jeered by the entire crowd? wheres there class? I dont boo every other player i've seen dive so why accuse one when there are many! I'd have liked to see a penalty against france when they played and one for germany when they played Italie, but that changes nothing. We should be aiming for a fair game, not one with diving but people will take advantage, so let the ref decide hes the official and thats the pressure that comes along with being an official.
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Rooney got what he deserved for stamping which is confirmed by FIFA. England fans should stop whinging about it and C. Ronaldo is simply taken as a convenient scapegoat. To be honest, Both England and Portugal teams played well in that match but England lost the match on penalty shoot-outs again as always which could shed some light on the problems England team is now having. The England team probably need a good sport psychologist and some good penalty shoot-outs training rather than pointing fingers toward C. Ronaldo like a sour loser.
The other thing we need to be concerned about is Henry's superb diving performance in the match between Portugal v France. Both teams played well in the first half until France was given a penalty kick for Henry's diving. After that, France changed its tactic into a defensive one and Portugal missed a few good chances which results in France winning the match. It is so upsetting to see that match's result was decided (or fixed) by the award of a penalty kick for Henry's diving. It is perhaps the right time for FIFA to consider whether penalty kick should be given by a referee lightly otherwise the whole sport risked to be brought into disrepute.
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Face it, England played terrible football for 3 weeks against 4 weak sides to progress to the 1/4 final. Again, in the last 8 played terrible football and got knocked out. The English side was not as good as the teams in the last four. They had no shape, showed no desire to go forward and again bottled it during the spotters. Stop blaming Ronaldo. Rooney stamped on the centre half and deserved to go. What happened to the bulldog English with the great spirit and fight always attacking with 2 wingers and 2 centre forwards looking for a win.
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One VERY IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind ... World Cup is about one country against another, it is a WAR of PRIDE. Who you play with during the previous 4 years and the mates that you play with HAVE NOTHING to do with the country you represent.
Ronaldo was representing Portugal, NOT England or Rooney. ABSOLUTELY NO allegiance to ANY England team, or ANY England teammate. Ronaldos' ONLY allegiance was to Portugal and his teammates to win at all costs.
I'm Proud of how Ronaldo and the entire Portuguese played and how they represented Portugal.
As far as Rooney, he is a THUG and a spoiled little boy.
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I have just sat here and read most of the posts to this article. Some have good points of veiw, and some are just plain stupid. (The ones where we have to call each other sad, and to get a life).
The first thing we need to remember, is that EVERY team or teams squad has a player or players that will do something that constitutes as cheating. The biggest shame about this is that children who play for their local teams start to pick this up and think it's ok...!!!!
Anyways, back to the Rooney/Ronaldo debate.
The referee did not actually send Rooney off for the foul/stamp/accidental step on Carvalho's bits. He sent Rooney off for the push on Ronaldo. The push of another player is seen as violent conduct, the same as elbowing someone in the face...!!!!
It's a shame that the referee couldn't have used common sense and realised that Rooney was fustrated for the following reasons. He wasn't awarded a foul after trying to win and gaining the ball back whilst being knocked around the shins by the oppositon. Then the free kick was being awarded against him/England for the accidental step onto the oposition player. The referee deemed this as the foul. If this was to have warranted the red card, the referee would have produced it there and then.... he didn't?
It was only after Ronaldo had told the referee "It's a foul, i'ts a foul. Red card"(As concurred by many a proffesional lip-reader) and then Rooney slightly pushed Ronaldo, did the referee produce it rather quickly.
At the time of Ronaldo complaining, the referee was observing Carvalho's movement and assesing the situation. It's a shame that referees can not be consistant in their decsisions and follow the rules set out by FIFA. There were many occasions in the world cup games where players pushed each other, but no cards were produced!!!
The questions to be answered are...
1. Did Rooneys step on Carvalhos bits constitute a red card?
2. Did Rooneys push on Ronaldo constitute a red card?
3. Should Ronaldo have been given a yellow for asking for a player to be booked/sent off?
4. Did Ronaldo diliberatly attempt to try and get rooney sent off?
My answers would be NO, yellow and yellow and YES. BUT that's just my opinion.
There is no doubting that Ronaldo is a great player, but does he need to act the way he did? Am I annoyed by what he done?. YES, but the most annoying thing of all, is that all the teams have players that act this way, including England, and the authorities do little about it.!!!!!
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The replies from the Portugizafreekick fans in this post do not extend beyond the easily constructed 'sore loser' argument. Don't you have a defence for the video evidence we have all seen. Christ it's not only the English who are saying it.
ESPN has a video interview with two Americans and an Irishman who cannot say anything more than they (The Portugizafreekick) cheated.
The French noticed it.
The Dutch noticed it.
The English noticed it.
The Americans noticed it.
The World noticed it.
We hope FIFA noticed it.
And come on be honest Portugizafreekicks, now you have crashed out to a real team YOU NOTICED IT TOO didn't you?
Uruguay of the new millenium... Shame
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English players don't dive because they can't score penalty kicks anyway!
Sore losers!
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English players don't dive because they can't score penalty kicks anyway (aside from Gerard, he is dumb and keeps diving)
Sore losers!
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Mr Topdogbillybigbollox,
If you believe the referee sent Rooney off because he pushed Ronaldo then you still must believe in Father Christmas!
Why dont you look at reality according to the facts and not according to your wishes??
First, the ref.(Elizondo) must have done a good job, otherwise FIFA wouldnt choose him for the final.
The ref. gave an interview to THE TIMES, the other day confirming he had no doubts about sending off Rooney from the moment he saw the Foul. ITS IN THE TIMES (not the Portuguese or Argentinian Times, THE ENGLISH TIMES!)
Why do you think Sven went to see the referee straight after the game and came back saying HE ACCEPTED AND AGREED WITH THE RED CARD? Because Elizondo told Sven exactly what he said to the Times. He had SEEN Rooneys foot on Ricardo's Lower Countries, and THAT was the reason for the red card!.. The push of Rooney on Ronaldo bla bla bla...is just window dressing.
AND please dont say Rooney STEPS on Carvalho. The WHOLE WORLD saw that HE STAMPED DELIBERATELY on Carvalho. It WAS VICIOUS!
And Finally: Where are these famous lip readers?? Bring them on! Not even the tabloids could come up with that one.. Rooney was there next to Ronaldo, and even HE didnt HEAR what your famous lip readers SAW!!!!!
But yes, I agree with you in one thing: some comments are just plain Stupid!...
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I think regarding a lot of what people are writing about more and more teams seemingly diving, this just goes to prove that the longer this is allowed to continue - and teams or individuals are shown to be gaining a potential advantage from doing so - more and more people will pick up this nasty habit.
The only way to stamp it out is to treat it as FIFA claim to want to, and treat it as serious foul play. If a referee doesn't spot an incident, but after match replays show that there was a clear case of diving, then action HAS to be taken. It should be treated no differently to an 'off-the-ball' elbow....
It is an abhorrent stain on the international game. The fact that we are debating it now demonstrates that it has obviously also had a damaging impact on the World Cup.
Hopefully the authorities can act swiftly so that we never again have to witness this during a major international tournament. In the meantime, with the likes of Drogba, Ronaldo, Baros and countless others it is now being imported into the Premiership...it has to stop!
Beautiful game? They're killing it.
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Unfortunately for the whinny English, as Ronaldo evolves and grows up and the Portuguese get rid of old players (that need to go) like Figo and Pauleta, they are likely to continue losing to the Portuguese for the foreseable future.
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Whatever you think about the relative merits of Portugal and England, reading the comments on this blog makes it clear they both have a high percentage of illiterate morons as citizens. Although to be fair to the Portuguese, they are managing to be moronic in their second language.
I've wasted half an hour of my life reading this rubbish - why does the 成人快手 bother to print it?
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i am not english but what ronaldo did was disgrace to football
it could be a dirty game played by ronaldo to get out of man utd, as he spoke to real madrid, then at the match he got involved in his team mate stamp certainly to get the RED, finally the Wink
well done ronaldo
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england and portugal play with eleven players and in the end portugal wins!
ps: rooney kicked carvalho in the balls, and ronaldo is the villan...
please go home!
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The 成人快手 (or should that be EBC) should be ashamed of their coverage of this tournament. They have always been heavily biased towards England, and that's understandable, but the xenophobia displayed by your commentators this time makes you a broadcasting equivalent of The Sun.
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Only in Englnad can a stamp on someone's groin be deemed as 'ok', but someone going up to the ref and in the actual words of Steven Gerred saying 'did you see that' be cheating.
It is typically English hype. There the best at it, because they are insecure at most things.
As for the 成人快手 and their pundits, well what can you say? They go on and on about how no players from other teams would get in to the English squad, but what do they base it on? They do not watch other leagues because if they did, they would not be talking such rubbish. They only see the blood and thunder of the premiership which masks a complete lack of skill from most English players.
Have a look at the English games in the WC. They had the easy group and the easy last 16 team. But look at the performnce. Can't put two passes together, can't make space and can't score goals. The English public know deep down that there playes are not world class, but will not admit it-ever.
The English football fan still believes they rule the world despite 40 years of failure. It is indictive of the actual country. Its services are outdated and nothing works, its devoid of new thinking, and its one of the most Violent first world countries in the world-a bit like their football team.
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I am sick and fed up of reading comments about how England supporters loathe Portugal purely because they beat us, thats rubbish. All the teams who got to the semi's are the teams that cheated. If FIFA are going to investigate Rooney for his violent conduct,then they should also do the same for the likes of Figo for his head-but and Henry when he faked a face injury. The tournament has seen some fantastic football. FIFA are allowing the game to become a complete joke. Rooney didn't purposely stamp on the Portugese player, that was obvious. Portugal are cheats its as simple as that, their semi final was hilarious, what will FIFA do about all the dives and cheating in that game, same as before nothing. So, all you people who say the English are looking for someone to blame, are talking through their rears, we didn't play the best football, but, we didn't deserve to be beated by the cheats either.
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Whilst we all go on about 'that tackle' and Ronaldo screaming at the ref and the wink to the bench there after, the thing that gets me more is the blatant head butt that Ronaldo carried out on Rooney. - There was no reaction by Rooney whatsoever, and this was a clear wind up which did not work, hence plan B.
In my book, team mates do not head butt each other. Ronaldo is looking for a way out of Man Utd and he may have found it. I personally feel he should be put in the reserves for the rest of his contract with Man Utd and fogotten about.
Back to the head butt - FIFA have clear video evidence of this, as they do of Figo on Mark van Bommel of Holland. What do they do? Nothing, however they do use television evidence to suspend Frings. What does that tell us about FIFA.
Pilotasso, you are on a lot of blogs defending the Portugese way of playing football, but no matter how you see diving - as a means to an end to win a game, head butting is not part of the game and unfortunately, Portugal have been caught twice doing it in the WC alone.
The sooner FIFA becomes consistent with their decision making by using either using video evidence or not, and give referees unambigious rules, the better.
Enjoy the game that nobody wants to play 3rd and 4th place play off!!
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Why are Irish, Scots, Italians and Portuguese now slamming the entire english nation?? The way i see it is that a couple of pundits and a right wing paper make a few comments and you all fly off the handle. Says something about the level of intellect of the international footballing community.
Portugal did beat us fair and square at the death. We are just a bit miffed because we did deserve to win. Same thing happens in poker all the time. Just gotta learn to live with it.
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Having watched Euro & World cup tournaments for over 30 years, I can honestly say that the current Portuguese side are no way near as bad as previous versions. In their defence, the game against the Dutch only got really dirty after the Dutch spent the first 15 minutes of the match kicking 7 different colours of sh*t out of Ronaldo and teamates. If you don't believe me, take a look at the replay if you can. Unfortunately, Portugals reputation precedes them as being easy to wind up and get sent off. Fast forward to the game with England. Watch the first 15 minutes again. Who is the dirtier side. How many bad fouls (no play acting involved) did England commit. If anything, England tried to wind up the Portuguese. Rooney has got talent, but he is not a world class player yet. I said on this blog at the start of the tournament that I thought everyone was getting carried away with the 'Rooney can win it for us' hysteria. I posed the question then 'What has he won for Man United?'
Staying with Man United, and no doubt their fans will disagree, but I'm not at all suprised by Ronaldos actions in the Rooney incident. It is obviously part of the training at Man Untd. When he's fit and playing, who will always be first in a referees face when a Man Unt player gets badly fouled. Any disagreement on Gary Neville? All Man United players are guilty of it. For years, they have tried, with some success, to intimidate referees and linesmen. How mant times have you seen 6,7,8 players surrounding the ref. Ronaldo might have been born Potuguese, but he was trained in England!
Going back ti Wayne Rooney, think back to the qualifiers, he never came up against a Ronaldo type figure in any of those matches, yet in at least 3 games he came pretty close to getting himself sent off. Witness the defeat at the hands of Northern Ireland. That match should have told you that the team had serious problems. A World class striker...take a look at the facts. England played no strong opposition in those qualifiers, yet those workmanlike defenders kept Rooney quiet. How many goals did he score. To save you going back through the stats. Answer = 0
Stop pressurising your young players. I can already see the Euro 2008,pre tournament headlines. Walcott can win it for us! Remember you read it here first.
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Portugal, like Italians, French or Spanish play a very similar football. The "diving debate" had already started in England, mainly due to the fact that now there are almost as many foreigners as English players in the EPL. Here we should also take in account FIFA: they told referees to protect the big stars (and by star players FIFA do not consider defenders or tireless midfielders...stars are the players with technique which I think it is wrong). After this players like C. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, Zidane and some others took advantage of these instructions. Portugal, having one of the most skilfull midfield in Deco, Figo and Ronaldo naturally tried to took advantage of FIFA's instructions. Just like Henry did.
England is just disappointed because Portugal won once again (4 in row now). Are the English a top team? I don't think so. England still have a long way to go before being considered a top team. Look at Italy, Argentina and Brasil and you will see that there are 23 potential first-team players. In England you have 14. Italy will be WC with one goal of Iaquinta and another from Pirlo from a free-kick. Pirlo will win the Golben Ball.
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Excuse me, but did Rooney made a foul that was red-card deserving? Yes! So why are we crying about what Cristiano Ronaldo did or didn't do? Don't you think the referee is influenced by these moves? I don't think so... So stop blaming Cristiano Ronaldo for Englands loss... I even think that Rooney leaving, England actually started playing football!
I think the heroe of this game is Ricardo that defended 3 penalties - Start blaming your players for not knowing how to score a penalty!
And in what Portugal being the villain of this tournament: only because we are small country without much influence on FIFA! Did I see pure fair-play on the Dutch team? I didn't here any complaint on any British news... Didn't I see pure diving from the Italian and the Germany team? and didn't I see extrodinary dives from the English team? Oh, excuse me... they are not portuguese... you cannot blame them... Is that it?
Give me a break! Yes, find ways of stopping diving and cheating in football but just because we beat England, dont' make us the villains...
Be like you were always traditionally have been: Accept defeat as you accept the victory! Don't be a sour looser!
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some journalists and users should be ashamed for the utterly stupid and near racist remarks! let me just say that against Holland Portugal committed 10 fouls and got 9 yellow cards and 2 reds.
Holland had no fairplay in returning the ball after injuries/game stops as one would expect even from any 3rd rate redneck team. THESE actions destroy the game! and I saw many teams diving and complaining! its not just us and we are not champions of that! try argentina, italy, france...
one small country with only 10 million people is now among the worlds 4 best soccer nations all of them well over 40 million, so I can understand how this bothers some!
as for the Portuguese who got shot and killed in France for celebrating Portugal's victory, I hope France shoves its racism up the arse, how many caucasians you see playing for the French?? the Portuguese never lost their identity and respect. remember Euro2004, the best organized soccer event ever!
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yes, everybody cheat but the portugese have included diving and cheating in its tactical manual.i'm sure it is part of their training manual thaught in their academy.i have given up watching the game that the great Bill Shankly says is more than life and death.its no more the beautiful the game.
Zul,SINGAPORE
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The English press once again creates their own world...
Portugal cheated against Holland??? What by having Deco unfairly sent off after the dutch deciding to not give the ball back (that was cheating)? Or for the Dutch defender not being sent off for the agression on Ronaldo... Did our goal come from a free kick (like the English against Ecuador), or from one of the best team play goals in the entire tournament? Did we have any penalty or dangerous free kick - which Portuguese player dived against Holland?
Whodived against England (Maniche in the middle field, but so did Gerrard - I have seen the game 3 times). were we helped by the referee? If so, why is he refereing the final? Has the entire world decided to go against the English?
So where did we cheat after all - when Ronaldo let himself fall after feeling Sangol's hand on his back? Well that happens all the time in football, including in Thierry Henry's pk (he felt a touch, he fell on the floor).
So where are your facts?
I hate diving, and hated when Postiga did it a couple of times against France. This has nothing to do with any of the prior games. Portugal was better than England 11 on 11 (England was good with 10). England players do not have confidence and character to score pks like ronaldo has - he knew he was sending you packing that is why he was smiling and jumping.
Your problem is that you can't stand see a guy being successful and loving his job - you resent him for being what you wish you were.
Your bad press may affect our reputation, but it helps our team spirit. Our team in 4 years will be better than it is now. Yours will be equally poor. You will loose against us every time it matters because we have more character than you - just look at Gerrard's face before scoring the pk and you will know what i mean
The entire world now looks at a couple of our players as divers, but it looks at your country, your press, your people as sore hypocritical losers.
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Aren't all the English supporters glad that Portugal had another chance to show their true colours againts France? I mean lets face it, England weren't great against Portugal although looked like the better team. The fact we went out and felt cheated because of the sinister tactics used by Portugal was always going to make us upset. It was also always going to fuel the argument for the English being bad losers although I believe the English are great sportsman and would have accepted defeat graciously if the game were fair.
Thats why I was so happy to see Portugal lower their standards (if they have any) even further (if thats possible) agains't France.
Those defending Portugal, well I guess its like defending your kids after stealing - you have to stand up for them on the outside but deep down you're pretty embarressed about it. Yes maybe you could use this argument for Rooney but nobody knows for sure even from the replay whether it was sinister or not. In any case he is one, you are a team of 11 just as bad, if not worse.
pilotasso - the team we're talking about is Portugal, I think you may be using the wrong team in your defence arguments!!
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I must say that the leel of sportsmanship in this World Cup has been at an all-time low and the level of refereeing even worse.
Portugal and Ronaldo deserve their title of cheating villains, that's for sure. They have shown a complete lack of respect for their opponents in each and every game of the competition and they MUST take responsibility for bringing the game into disrepute.
By the same token, we MUST NOT forget Holland, who with Portugal, have been the other big culprits. Players like Robben and Kuyt have hardly endeared themselves to true football fans.
Unfortunately though, it is deeper than this. ALL CHEATS MUST BE NAMED AND SHAMED THE SAME. Steven Gerrard's blatant dive before the competition, Henry's over-reactions to tackles and theatrical falls, Ronaldinho's inability to stay upright for more than ten seconds, Totti's repeated diving and the list goes on and on.
Instead of talking about how many referess we should have and how round the balls must be, FIFA MUST put a stop to this before the 'beautiful game' is damaged beyond repair.
It would have been a trvesty had Portugal won this tournament with their heavy reliance on such disgusting tactics - but for a while it looked possible. What message would that have sent to the world? And what message Totti's hystrionics, Grossi's dive, Henry's theatricals?
Unfortunately, those who cheat more seem to prosper!!!
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English press and his parallel dimension:
English press convinces the audiences that they will win the worldcup: they have the best players, that Rooney is a superstar. All this without even looking at the other teams in the tournament.
Than the reality check comes: other teams actually try England not to win and England players are not superstars only because they play well in premier league.
So then comes the answer to the defeat: the bad foreigner cheats. that's how they stole the cup from England's hands. And they've been doing it for the last 40 years, apparently without the world noticing it. But that's because morality and ethics were invented in England!
Mates, we did the same mistake in korea, we thought we were robbed so we went to Portugal and shamed ourselves. We learnt from that, so should you.
Rooney red card is controversial only in England, and it's not because there's a conspiracy against England's high moral values.
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I haven't read so much rubbish since Adam & Eve left The Garden...
About the "portuguese diving" (again), let me just say that even in the portuguese league, there's always a card for a diver... If the world persists in putting Portugal that label, fine with me. After all, it is (isn't it?) a free world.
Portugal has been consistently reaching higher stages in world football. And will go on doing so, and any tittle, european championship or world championship, is bound to be achieved. Portugal has one of the best youth academy's in the world. I think anybody will agree that the trend with other countries national teams's not quite the same...
It gets quite bizarre that the team accused of diving HAS NOT reached the final doing so, like the ones who are actually there. France and Italy, at the same time, do deserve a place there. But so would Portugal or Germany... The only thing I can say is that, if Portugal had a striker as good as C Ronaldo is on the wings, as good as R Carvalho is in defense, as good as Maniche is in the midfield, penalty or no penalty, dives or no dives, we'd be in the final with a couple more goals scored.
I guess than Portugal would be even worse cheaters, right...? ;-)
ps - Portugal's "black arts" are well recognized by Zidane, with that hug with Figo. Two players that have simply dominated Europe's football in the past 10 years. Also when 成人快手 interviewed the same Figo about Beckham, his sinister character is maniphested with the answer "David's a good friend of mine, I simply don't pay attention to who criticises him". Actually, kinda makes me feel like asking "Hey Dave, where were you defending us?"
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Its really sad this debate. Before the WC started I had, lulled by the hype and my genuine dislike for the quality of football being dished out by Brazil in the last 3 or 4 world cups had really thought England would win.
The truth is they were a miserable bunch of footballers and deserved to lose.
Portugal played better football than most teams and if they dived as is being claimed so did just about every other team. The problem here is not Portugal but FIFA and before any penalty given for fouls inside the box it should be mandatory for refrees to consult TV replays as is being done in other sports
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I can only say one thing: the press and the British fans in general are showing nothing but a bad loosing spirit.
Don't try to save rooney's ass - you know he's a child and he made a stupid thing, right in front of the referee.
Now you're trying to blame Ronaldo by Rooney's childish behavior.
If it had happend the other way, probably Ronaldo would have reacted the same way, because he's a child too.
But don't try to convince us Rooney's bad behaviour was Ronaldo's fault, because everyone saw what happend, including the referee.
Instead, you should blame your coach's bad decisions and the bad phisical condition of your players, specially the midfielders & strikers.
You really don't know how to loose, do you?
Next time try to play better football and maybe you'll have a change against Portugal...
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Simple fact: We KNOW that the Portugizafreekick cheat. That is not the debate anymore.
The problem is how do we get FIFA to deal with it again.
By the way - Repeatedly saying that you have beaten England 4 times in a row means jack diddly. Liverpool dominated the English League for years and years and years, but can't get a sniff in the Premier League now. Football is cyclical so the Portugizafreekick will also return to being crap just like in the 80's. Hopefully FIFA will speed that up by enforcing them to actually play Football.
Dirty cheats. Imagine a game where you don't have a referee made of jello. It's not hard to do - think back to the France game. Losers... You made it one more round than the English and you actually dare to riducule them. There is only one winner you know.
Won't matter anyway cos the US is going to buy a World Cup soon and none of you will get a look in. Let's just say Ronaldo's NO hero in the States right now. They are slating him over here for his 9.9 dive. That's what you Portugizafreekicks don't get. You actually set the game back years. Yanks were sold on the World Cup and now they think it is for girls cos they actually had the opportunity to see your school girl team flinging itself around. Figo is your toughest player and my 6 year old could have walked away from that headbutt.
BIG GIRLS -
BTW - You can't insult me cos I am a Yank. It's water off a ducks back. We KNOW being the best is a choice. When we have made the choice we'll let you know.
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Simple fact: We KNOW that the Portugizafreekick cheat. That is not the debate anymore.
The problem is how do we get FIFA to deal with it again.
By the way - Repeatedly saying that you have beaten England 4 times in a row means jack diddly. Liverpool dominated the English League for years and years and years, but can't get a sniff in the Premier League now. Football is cyclical so the Portugizafreekick will also return to being crap just like in the 80's. Hopefully FIFA will speed that up by enforcing them to actually play Football.
Dirty cheats. Imagine a game where you don't have a referee made of jello. It's not hard to do - think back to the France game. Losers... You made it one more round than the English and you actually dare to riducule them. There is only one winner you know.
Won't matter anyway cos the US is going to buy a World Cup soon and none of you will get a look in. Let's just say Ronaldo's NO hero in the States right now. They are slating him over here for his 9.9 dive. That's what you Portugizafreekicks don't get. You actually set the game back years. Yanks were sold on the World Cup and now they think it is for girls cos they actually had the opportunity to see your school girl team flinging itself around. Figo is your toughest player and my 6 year old could have walked away from that headbutt.
BIG GIRLS -
BTW - You can't insult me cos I am a Yank. It's water off a ducks back. We KNOW being the best is a choice. When we have made the choice we'll let you know.
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On a different note, I think the portuguese view on this WC is that "Heaven can wait"... It cannot wait for either ITA or FRA (although I have this feeling that ITA will take it and Zidane will have his share of pain, but we'll see). England's still in hell and Holland's on the way there...
The only travesty would have been to see an ENG vs HOL final...
ps - If the FA suggestion of reducing the amout of foreign players in the Premiership goes forward, I'd like to see what Arsenal will do (actually, if Kuyt goes there, I'd also like to see what the guy can actually do without Kalou next to him, but this is another issue) without the foreigners (coach included), same with Chelsea (this one's special), same with Man Utd... Than we'll really see a strong English presence in world football... Cleansed and purified from all the divers and cheaters of this world... PLEASE DO IT, if you really believe in all the words you've written. After all, it's only a matter of coherence, right...?
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Germany striker Lucas Podolski has won the Fifa young player of the World Cup award...
And thereby confirming FIFA's take on Ronaldo's brilliance (Yes even I admit he is brilliant) versus his inability to play fair.
Well done FIFA
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England's fair play and honesty goes back a long way... From the Treaty of Windsor (14th century) to the Pink Map episode (19th century), with all the events in between, in Portugal we all know what you're made of, since centuries... Not years.
To those in the USA who think Portugal is a city in Spain, or a toothpaste brand, it wouldn't hurt to check out a bit of history, starting from those 2 references, or maybe the actual origin of your own country and the Colombus episode, in the failed spanish attempt of discovering the sea route to India, at a time of huge rivalry between Portugal and what later became Spain (started then, with the union between Castilla and Aragon - a marriage you english should know a lot about, since your king Henry the VIII married their daughter).
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Maybe we are focusing on Portugal becuase they beat England, but i think that its because they are serial offenders. C'mon, just look at the France game, Pauleta, Helder Postiga, Ronaldo (TWICE!) all and also the dutch game, Figo got the dutch player sent off, he should have been sent off for a head butt, granted the dutch were by no means innocent but it just proves that it wasn't a one off as far as portugal was concerned.
Italy will win, they have a better, fitter team than France plus I can't see the french breaking the italian defence easily.
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Andrew Greiner
A 'Yank' defending England.
However, I don't think you are a yank but an ex pat Brit.
Oh yeah-it does mean something when a team has won 4 in a row over another team no matter what you think.
One round further than England does give you a few rights to brag,Especially when you beat that team.
Come to think off it, (while you are throwing around stereotypes) maybe you are a yank because you are not too bright mate.
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dont diss the portugese ronaldo is a great player !!!!!!!!
rooney is rubbish and needs anger management classes
zidane is great but old
ferdinand cried like a baby
get over it england are rubbish and wouldnt have won anyway get over it !!!!#
bye
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Yes, I'm portuguese.
Yes, the portuguese players did dive.
We spent a lot of years comming home unfairlly, because other so called great countries were
helped by a penalty or so against us.
Now we started to do what every other teams do,
we just cannot fake it so well yet, but we will.
Until everyone's back to play football again.
Then we'll see who's really the best.
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Bad Loosers...even after some days after the England - Portugal match people there are still behaving like this? Please grow up people! England has a big problem, the best players are foreigners and thats the price of money, a strong league a weak national team and lets admit it ... if Rooney is the best hope of England future then its better for english to get use to defeats!! Invest in english players ... F C Porto won the champions with majoraty of portuguese players and a national coach!!!
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I find it quite ammusing that the people from Portugal have got so wound up about this, look its quite simple if you don't like it then don't watch it! Don't you have a TV channel of your own? Do we moan about your media coverage? No. Take care of what goes on in your own country.
Secondly I have been out the germany for the world cup and it was excellent, I met some really friendly people, including fans from Portugal. I had several nights out with people we befriended from all over Portugal, and they were very pleasent people. So i am amazed to see such a negative reaction on these posts.
Thirdly I have an appartment in Portugal, I have recently got back from my holiday which was meant to be 2 weeks long, I have come back 9 days early? Why you ask? because the abuse I got over in the city of Lisbon was appauling. I wore my england shirt as i do on many holidays for the first night. I was called insulting names, spat at, bottles broken near my children, and even refused service at one restaurant. I have never had a problem before in Portugal and have enjoyed many holidays there (hence me buying my appartment). On the second day the car outside my flat had been vandalised, maybe because I had an England flag on it. On notifying the police they were very unhelpful and unsympathtic, I was pretty much told in leymans terms, what do you expect if you are wearing an england shirt. I am sorry, am I not allowed to wear the my nations colours in another country? I have been disgusted at the treatment I have recieved and am now going to sell my holiday home and buy one where I am free to enjoy my holidays and have safety for my children e.g Germany. It is not acceptable to aim abuse at me for being english but I can accept that to a degree, but to involve innoccent children who were rightly petrified simply discusts me. So before you start calling English people hooligans, dont contradict yourself and take a look in your own back yard first.
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I am hoping that the right team( Germany) wins!
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i am english and i thought it was ridiculous how they booed ronaldo they are sooo jealous and sore losers. always finding someone to blame but themselves. and they are so jealous that they knew ronaldo would win the best young player award if they had not butted in. meaning in my eyes he did win. where was rooney may i ask? was he even nominated for the award? were any english players? haha. god am so ashamed to live in england
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Hi English fans,
I am Portuguese and I must confess we, indeed, used some dirty tactics too much. There are several people upset with this but, mainly, Portuguese that do read non-portuguese press (although today I have already read some critics to the play-acting in Portuguese press).
The real problem is that some press (English and Portuguese) does not do a lot to help distinguishing between what happens in the pitch and starts generalizing stuff to countries.
This is sad. Portugal has always been a a friendly country for English citizens. Too emotive campaigns (and yes, Portuguese are also very emotional) will bring bad results with some types of people confusing football with real-life and the world cup with a war.
I am sad to hear the story of John Barnes and I can easilly believe it. There are no excuses for that. However, please imagine what could happen to a Portuguese wearing a Portuguese shirt now in England.
I really think this is sad and that Portuguese people living in England and English people living or spending holidays in Portugal will be the ones suffering the most with this (with sites like www.hateronaldo.com on the front line of mutual provocations). The worst is that, yes, you can sell your holiday apartments and buy one in Germany or Spain... Then just pray that the press does not create a similar drama with a Spanish or a German player in the next opportunity... Or maybe, with football, we will end up praising old-fashioned ideals like "we should not leave our own turf...". Sad!!
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Would be a fitting finale for the great Zidane to lift the trophy on Sunday night. But bear in mind the incident in the 54th minute of the s/f: Zidane fouled Ronaldo with a lunging crude challenge. Both players got up. Zidane apologised. They played on. A perfectly respectful piece of fairplay from the pretender to ZZ's throne, without which, Zidane may well have been booked and so be banned from the Final. A final, incidentally, that I pray Italy win. Zidane is one thing, but the rest of that team, with the odd exception, is entirely a different matter!! Diving, cheating, spitting, whingeing... these are far from exclusively Portuguese.
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Shame on you ChrisRonaldofan! You have no morals it seems. Diving and play acting are not marks of a 'best young player' and certainly he should be the very last person even considered for the award. He is no good footballer in any reasonable person's eyes. So many of these Portugese players dive and pretend he's been fouled to purposefully get others sent off for something they did not do. So evident in the match against France. Good footballers? :P Poor cheaters and liers and should have been sent off for such shameful behaviour. Shame on Portugal players and shame on you for being in support of their behaviour!
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First of all I am portuguese. To tell the truth I don't fancy C. Ronaldo. He is a great football player but is also a spoiled brat, as is Rooney and many others. I seen people write of sportmanship and fair play. Tell you the truth that is crap. These are professional players, playing for money.
There more they win the more they gain financialy. This is not sport but business, getting the best contracts and profits like any company. As a result we all know that if money is involved then the game must be flawed. I am quite certain France will be WC because it suits their economy and social instability. In the near future I don't believe Portugal will be WC however good they play. The same goes for England and many other countries. We just don't belong to the wining club.
Secondly many of our players play in your local teams. I don't see you crying out cheat when they are playing for you and sometimes against our teams.
Third and last. There are sore losers and cheats in every country. I am certain the hooligans amongst your fans are a minority. The problem is that usually these minorities get the biggest coverage. Specialy if it suits people trying to diminish you and a negative however small is always stronger than a good big image.
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To Simon Morris (Post 304)
You are just being pointlessly contrary.
Have a proper look (https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/video_archive/default.stm) and you'll see that Butcher is clearly attempting to play the ball. Maradona is just quicker.
There can always be a debate as to whether a tackle is a foul, but the one thing is most certainly did not do, is 'hack' Maradona down.
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AND HERE IS WHERE THE THREAD BECOMES NULL AND VOID
It's confirmed that the English, the 成人快手 and all of us "sore losers" weren't the only ones taking note -
LONG LIVE TELEVISION REPLAY AND ALL WHO DIVE ON HER...
YOUR HONOR THE DEFENSE RESTS ITS CASE...
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Yes 185# Steve Russell. Why don't you in the best of English tradition just post a sign saying " No dogs and natives allowed". Or should it say " Anyone who beats the English team is banned".
Your just a cry baby. Go home and change your diper.
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Mr. Andrew Greiner (post 318 and more), why don麓t you get a life?
You are the typical example of the stupid englishmen that make my english friends to beg me to apologise their stupid countrymen.
Did not your mother teach you to have respect? Don麓t you know how to write PORTUGAL? You know, the FIRST independent country in Europe?
England football team is a bunch of loosers that are on their way down from sometime and we are on our way up.
I really hope that someone steps on your tomatoes to see how it feels.
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"I am pleased that Portugal were beaten, not because they knocked out England but they couldn't hit a cows' backside with a banjo and showed some of the worst sportsmanship I have ever seen on a football pitch. It's not just the diving but the constant verbal sniping at the opposition and the officials. That's what gets the crowd against them."
Spot on Tony T- Fair and True. No one can complain about that.
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Saddam Hussein has been found guilty and sentenced to be shot.
He has been given one last request and has decided to choose his own firing squad.
He chose Lampard, Gerrard and Carragher from 12 yards.
Ha!Ha!Ha!
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I have just one name to say to you: RICARDO!
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Lets get one thing straight, I'm English and England played generally quite poorly in the World Cup. There's no denying that and even the England players can't (except to blame the weather, tiredness, leaves on the track, alien invasion, etc...).
We played poorly, made the wrong choices, played in the wrong formation, picked players in the wrong position, had Sven as a manager, had 2 strikers with injuries, 1 striker who is 8ft tall but can't jump more than an inch for the ball, 1 striker was there from one of the local schools and they didn't play him because they found out too late that he was under 13 or something.
Any excuse you want to add to the list above please feel free. BUT (and there's always one so here it is), this thread is about Cristiano Ronaldo and his antics and that of his fellow colleagues. The clear fact is:
* Ronaldo is guilty of trying to persuade the referee to at least give a yellow card to Rooney
* Ronaldo is guilty of diving, play acting, cheating (whatever you want to call it)
* A number of the Portugese team players are guilty of this unprofessional unsportsman like antics
There is no doubt that Ronaldo and the Portugese team are not the only ones guilty of these things - we've seen a lot of it before either in the World Cup or in the league games of many countries.
The reason why Ronaldo (and Portugal) are being singled out is because he unashamedly tried to get his own "friend" and team mate from Manchester Utd sent off - he influenced the referee's decision. Up until Ronaldo got involved the referee wasn't even going to give Rooney a red card (forget what FIFA later said - if you watched the game you know it's true). Did Rooney intend to stamp on Carvalho's plums? I don't know, I'm not convinced he meant to but maybe I'm biased. Should Rooney have got a red card for "pushing" Ronaldo? I don't think so, to be honest a yellow card would have been fairer for such a trivial incident.
Personally I think both teams were pretty mediocre during the England-Portugal game and it is likely that Portugal would have won on penalties with or without Rooney on the pitch. It's just that the antics of Ronaldo and others left a bad taste in the mouth. And again, against France, Portugal called foul everytime anyone came near them (and sometimes even when they weren't).
In summary
England-Portugal game - the best team won the football match but lost a lot of respect from football lovers and purests. That said I guess they set out to win the game not the fans. Either way both teams were pretty ordinary and Portugal were marginally the best team on the night and certainly deserved an oscar for their acting.
Portugal-France - the best team won too (although it could be claimed that Portugal attacked more). France ran out of steam at the end but did enough early on to win. Portugal never looked like they could score and their antics hindered rather than helped them. The only time France looked like losing was when Barthez decided to play volley ball in the penalty area (must of thought he was on the beach?) and when Saha came on as sub for France (although he could have come on for Portugal). Is he secretly Portugese because I'm sure he was playing for them and kept giving them the ball?
Anyway, cheating bad, skillful entertaining football good. France are through to the final and Portugal have got their bus fare home. All's well that ends well.
Hopefully with a new manager England can do better next time... just don't hold your breath!
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Much has been said about the English whiners and their apparent dislike for anything Portuguese (e.g.Ronaldo/divers). It wasn't always this way as those of my generation were admirers of the mid-sixties Portuguese teams and despite being English(now Canadian), Eusebio was a personal hero of mine. It still sends shivers down my spine when I watch him almost single-handedly rip apart the North Koreans in that tournament. If England had not won the cup then, I dare say that there isn't an Englishperson who wouldn't otherwise have been cheering for Portugal in that tournament.
Don't forget the history between England and Portugal has been a lot more cordial than say between Spain, France or, dare I say, Argentina.
I was gutted by the loss to Portugal and must admit to feeling that both teams were poor but to infer that it's due to a personal dislike of Portugal or English "sour grapes" for a string of poor form is simply wrong.
It took a while but we finally took care of the German and Argentinian jinxes and yet quite honestly, if we'd been beaten by, say, that Maxi Fernandez wonder goal, I feel I could have dealt with the loss that much better.
I was a huge fan of Ronaldo's talent but there's still that feeling that to rat on a teamate just isn't quite "English". If roles were reversed, would Beckham have tried to get Figo red carded? You decide!
Meanwhile, I hear Steve McClaren is looking into the possbility of cloning Owen Hargreaves because if the entire team had had his work ethic, we wouldn't be having these discussions.
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Protugal have 4 players in the (22 strong) FIFA squad of the tournament.
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Reference to Post 365:
So, Mr. Andrew Greiner is a USA citizen? Well, that explains everything.
Go back to school (not in the US, PLEASE!) and only AFTER try to get a life...
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Fact
England lost
Ronaldo is a cheat
A number of players in the Portugese team (and other countries) should be in their countries Olympic Diving Squad
France were the better team on the night
Barthez was playing volley ball
Saha obviously plays for Portugal
Portugal lost
No one died (playing football)
England were mediocre
Sven is gone (thank god)
McClaren is our saviour and England will win the next World Cup
(okay, I made that last bit up)
This thread is about football - keep it that way and don't criticise the people of England or the people of Portugal
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wow. my alliance was with the 'you dive me crazy blog'. buuut thanks to comments like the ones made by Andrew Greiner i think i might have been swayed to this one. On reaching his comment i no longer had the will power to read on through the reams of nonsense that people seem to be writing.. There are some great points made though.
just not enough for me to read everything. i think that if i did i might be persuaded to... write a not very nice letter, or something to that effect.
haha.. but seriously it should only be football. people get way to tangled. its as if everyone who wants to be racist but doesnt want to be punished supports football and freely voices their opinions there. mainly. the loud ones anyway.
nice people speak up. please
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OK OK Too much talk...
Let's see the men in action...
Saw it?
I think so...
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Andrew Greiner
Why dont you stick to watching some really UGGLY game like Rugby, american football, or Cricket??
Those are the suitable games for LITTLE ENGLANDERS and YANKS... who really never properly undertsood Real Football.
AND NO... The US will NEVER EVER be able to buy FOOTBALL, (as much as little england wished) because if there is one thing more powerful on this earth than the US it is FOOTBALL. They(US) will never be able to convert it into a dull, ugly, insipid marketing product like the rest of American sports.
Never in the US you could see a GENIUS like MARADONA, bringing the world to tears of astonishment, such as when he scored the Goal of the century in 1986, reducing the England team to looking like eleven ballerinas... It is one of those rare moments when the Heavens seem to touch Earth.. You could never have that in US or Australia or鈥 Essex.
No, Football is beautiful as it is. Football is almost perfect.
The only thing really DIRTY about football these days, is the comments of the ENGLISH GUTTER PRESS!!
You should be writting for The Sun...
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This comment is an answer for the post n潞 200 of Andrew:
Dear Mr Andrew,
The first 7 items of your post make sense. However 8 and 9 sounded chauvinistic and in full syntony with the arrogance and overrating that some English Media, sport analysts and SOME fans showed over the last years.
Some remarks need to be made towards your last 2 items:
1) Many people (including Portuguese) like to be informed about what's happening world wide. Thus it explains why they read 成人快手;
2) Many people know that The Earth is bigger than England;
3) Many people can use more than just 1 language (that perhaps it's not the case of Mr Andrew).
Peace and love for all!
Antonio
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I'm really not sure why I am being singled out.
Seems I am just saying what the World would if we didn't have to watch our P's and Q's.
Portugizafreekick
I was thinking of starting:
www.wedive.com where you can buy cheap shirt replica tshirts with a photo of the diver (Ronaldo, Henry etc etc...) on the front. Then on the back it would have a diving score 9.0 instead of shirt number.
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There are some very interesting comments in these blogs, many of them fuelled by the pain of our World Cup exit I'm sure, but the thing that has struck me more than anything is the state of the game in general, not purely the level of England's World Cup performance.
To get our exit out of the way, Portugal scored more penalties than we did... they won. They didn鈥檛 do it with good grace, but then we didn't score goals in the 120 minutes before the shoot-out, so no complaints. For me, England played better against Portugal than they did in the other games, but it wasn't good enough. The 4-5-1 verses 4-4-2 debate is probably the most relevant topic to use in exploring our campaign's demise. Did Portugal cheat? No more than other teams if I put my English bias to one side.. and certainly not as much as they did against Holland, where the winner of the game ended up being the team that cheated the most. A field full of fantastic football skills, and it was the conning of the officials that had the biggest impact on the outcome. Holland can鈥檛 complain, they were nearly as bad.. Maybe Figo should have seen red and not yellow in that game, and therefore should have sat the England game out, but when you think about it, wouldn鈥檛 it be better the beat Portugal with all of their stars in than a patched up line up? I think so.. we鈥檒l only get better as a team by beating the best out there..
For me, the state of the global game is more concerning. Since April I鈥檝e been living in the USA, just north of New York, and I鈥檝e made a point of watching nearly every game of the World Cup (the TV at work has helped!). My local pub has played every game, and I鈥檝e watched games there on the weekend. I鈥檝e been encouraged by the number of Americans watching, as it鈥檚 not a game they really follow. Yes, MLS is doing OK but Baseball, Basketball and (American) Football still rule.. American friends of mine have been getting into the World Cup鈥 they enjoyed the 0-0 game between Sweden and Trinidad more than the 1-0 England / Paraguay game, but then I think we all did. They know more about the rules now because countless South Americans and Europeans have explained them, but I think for all of us trying to get the Yanks into the Beautiful game, the one thing we can鈥檛 defend is the rolling around on the floor, the feigning of injury, the blatant conning of all watching, including the poor old Ref, and the level of dishonesty. It doesn鈥檛 happen in sport over here (and I discount WWF and its derivatives.. it鈥檚 more greased-down Theatre than sport). They don鈥檛 feign injury, they don鈥檛 cheat. Sure, they complain at decisions but that鈥檚 just sounding off鈥. I know American sport has its own scandals but I never thought I鈥檇 be comparing our respective sport cultures and feeling that Association Football would fall short. The older I get, the more disenchanted I feel with the game and the people who are paid a handsome reward to play it, a position that all of us used to dream about.
For me, the Final will be a bit of an anti-climax, partly because I鈥檓 a passionate Englishman, but also because of the way in which the Tournament reached this point. The French, for me have been superb. They started poorly, they got better and they outplayed others when it was needed. Zidane has been nothing short of sublime, Ribery exciting, and the rest of the team on the money in terms of doing their job. Brazil, for all their skills and finesse couldn鈥檛 score a goal against France. Portugal, with all their options, couldn鈥檛 score. All this leaves me in limbo鈥 I鈥檝e been a steadfast anti-Francophile for many years because of their politics and behaviour in Europe towards other countries, especially where food imports and headscarves are involved, but I can鈥檛 knock them here. Italy for their part have been consistent, effective, tight at the back, and no worse at the ducking and diving than other teams, even though they鈥檝e earned their bad reputation for the dramatics. Italy scored 11 goals, with 10 different players in the process鈥 I wish we could say that.. I just hope that their route to the Final isn鈥檛 tarnished in years to come with the same brush that their domestic football is currently experiencing鈥.
All in all, you can鈥檛 really fault the two teams in the Final. The real reason why the Final will be an anti-climax is that having watched all the games, and witnessed all the gamesmanship, I don鈥檛 feel that the game has shown itself in a good light, and my love for Football means I鈥檓 deeply disappointed about that. A lot has been said about the quality of the referees鈥 but what are they supposed to do given the laws handed down to them by FIFA?. They all know that players are going to cheat, and referees have been good, bad and indifferent at dealing with it, but there鈥檚 no accountability of the players or teams that means anything anymore. A ban means nothing, and without accountability there is nothing we can do to those guilty that will stop it from happening. And us? We鈥檙e all so fixed on winning we don鈥檛 even realize that integrity, honesty and good old sportsmanship are all but gone. The shaking of the hands before the game is an empty ceremony and the kicking of the ball back to the opponents after an injury a nice gesture but meaningless on its own. Players that cheat should be carded and sent off, and that鈥檚 what happened in a couple of games but because we viewed the game on such a low standard of morality, it just looked like the referee was card-happy (OK.. some decisions were dodgy but hopefully you get my point). We have accepted cheating as part of the game, yet we all complain about it when it happens to us. I don鈥檛 think England is anywhere near as guilty as other countries, but we're not free from it.
FIFA need to get Football鈥檚 house in order. We should accept that changes are needed and welcome video usage, more officials in the game, or whatever is required to get our game back to something that we can be proud of. Debate over football will always continue; it鈥檚 never been 鈥渏ust a game鈥.. Football needs action to get is back on the right path. Why? Well, to paraphrase something that Bill Shankly once said, 鈥淚t鈥檚 not a matter of life and death.. it鈥檚 more important than that.鈥
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The US farm teams have already begun my friend. All the top clubs will farm from the US in the future. We can afford to produce footballers.
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I just want to say a few things, as a portuguese and Portugal's team suporter.
Portugal did a brilliant group stage. Not a single "complaining at the ref", even in a match that saw Figo getting a boot in his face (Iran, I think), or an atmosfere that could have gone sour (Mex) or even in Angola, where, like it or not, C Ronaldo was already victim of provocations and physical battering, slightly above what should be.
Nobody complained, nobody dived, no nasty fouls from us.
Also, nobody criticised the ones who were wrong, nor were they punished.
Then, there was the HOL match. And, again, like it or not, the dutch came at us quite violently. Not what you could call a "physical" or "manly" play. It was pure violence. Furthermore, the ref was one that gave a card, if somebody even sneezed. On top of it, the dutch were consistently doing what's not even typicall for their team and standards. Diving, faking fouls, stoping the game, etc. Clearly trying to provoque Portugal. The dutch side, remember, had an experienced Cocu and van der Saar. The rest was no more than a bunch of tallented kids, coached by a tallented idiot, who think too much of themselves and though that going to the WC is all about bullying and respecting nobody. I think van Basten should have known better. And he did nothing to stop it, quite the opposite. Anyway, the ref was buying it. Then, there was the goal - a goal that could be traced still to the times when Deco, Maniche and Costinha still played together, in that FC Porto team that won the Champs League. They made countless goals like that one - the dutch could have done their homework rather than kicking our legs, right?
I didn't like the way the portuguese replied, as basicly they nailed the dutch in what they tryed to pull in the first place. But it's the WC and it's not because your enemy decides to swim in the mud that you should follow. I also feel, from a moral point of view, the dutch got what they deserved and the portuguese, even if not acting properly, where heavilly penalized. Cards, suspensions, tiredness, etc...
I wonder if it's not a provocation in itself, that the ref chosen for this match was a russian. Like the ref chosen for the ENG game was THAT argentinian ref, both cos he's argentinian and also cos he sent Becks off some time ago. FIFA decided to blame the ref for evrything, in order to save HOL's face and call Portugal a worthy winner. We all know both teams are guilty but, to all of you, get a replay of the whole match and see it...
Then the ENG game... Wasn't a bad game from a discipline perspective (not brilliant from a sportive persective) and if there's a guilty party in discipline, it has to be ENG. Sure it's not nice to see Ronaldo asking for a card. But what if it had been Pauleta steping on Terry's balls...? I can only wonder what Rooney would have done... C Ronaldo was indeed stupid but it was no reason for all the english media pulled up.
ENG lost, again, and everybody decided the right way to avenge ENG's failure was to dump it all on POR, the bad boys, the divers, etc...
If anything, Portugal's players are guilty of being too naive.
Does anybody around here actually has a clue on how many times we were hindered by that, comming from the other team...? Too many. Believe it if you want.
Now, the truth is this: ENG won it once, 40 years ago. Still today, the suspicious cloud of unfairness in the victories both over Portugal and West Germany remain. There is, therefore, a prestige problem for England.
It's very hard to get to be WChamp. England won only once, home, so did France. One of the Argetinians was also home. I can perfectly imagine it scares the living daylights out of England to see the guys that have beaten them consistently, over the past years, suddently look stronger to get the coveted trophy. Well... That's life.
Eventhough I don't think it was a penalty (FRA vs POR), I must say that what POR needs is a striker. Portugal could, I think, beat France or Germany. I only doubt if we could have beaten Italy. The lack of a striker is then the real culprate of Portugal's failure in reaching the final. Just like England's failure is due to lack of self believe, just like The Netherlands failure is due to their lack of quality. Not technical. As professionals.
Just to finish, one of the things I appreciated the most during this WC, was to listen to 成人快手 radio and count the times somebody would come with a different explanation for Sven's tactics... In fact, I felt like giving you my own views... The 4-5-1 was perfect to neutralize Portugal's attack. We never had an inspired CRonaldo like 2 years ago, Figo doesn't have legs anymore, no Deco nor Rui Costa (anymore) to organize the midfield, no Costinha and poor Petit forced to run twice as more, so, for the 1st half, to tear POR down, this was perfect. However, in the second half, Crouch should have gone in, leaving Hargreaves on the pitch and sending Gerrard or Lampard or Beckham out, playing a sort of 4-4-2 "diamond" or whatever you want to call it. Rooney's job is simply not running up down as sole striker. Also, for that you need wingers to suport him and go all the way up the line for the cross and take defenders with them. Otherwhise, you'll tire him, frustrate him (that's what happened), he gets very easilly marked and consequently you neutralize him yourselves. At least, it'll surelly not work against R Carvalho and F Meira duo. That being said, Crouch in for the second half (specially cos he's tall and portuguese are short and ENG's good in the air and long balls), playing in front of Rooney, I'm sure you'd have been playing France...
All the best to ENG's team, good luck in 4 years (hope you don't get Portugal again, if indeed we get there again) and, as I can imagine Mourinho would say, thanks for the villaining and image blackening stuff, 成人快手. There is just no publicity quite like bad publicity. By definition! ;-)
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C.Ronaldo is a great talent but showed his age! Scolari needed to bench him to build some humility. With that said, can you blame him for doing what was right for one of his players? no one is bashing Rooney with as much intensity (who clearly showed that once his career as a footballer is over he can be a castrator)...The Portuguese dove, yes! But did they dive when they score the penalties? - no! at the end of the day the more talented and yes luckier team one!
France won with a questionnable penalty call...otherwise it would have gone to overtime that was clearly observered. So Portugal through the end showed the GOOD (Formidable opponent) and the BAD the diving and crying...oh by the Way I'm Portuguese (De Gema !- Viva Portugal!)
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Not at all my dear apologist. What really happened is that the shady actions of the Portuguese players just came into stronger relevance when playing against a side that, altough not perfect, is the best we have in international football when it comes to fair-play, England. Remember that after the infamous 'hand-of-God' the British only made the mildest of protests. The now just as infamous "Wink-Of-God" of Ronaldo strongly suggested a preconceived plan by the team to have a British player thrown out and specially Rooney. It is time to stop apologizing for the uglyiest aspects of footbal.
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Antonio - I do apologize for the demise of sense in my later replies. However it is in direct response of reading the Portugizafreekick reponses that basically assume someone is a bad loser for pointing out that they (Portugizafreekick)have a dodgy set of football tactics. If the internet had been as well formed in 86 as it is today then you would have seen me write the same of the Uruguayans (They didn't play England by the way).
I personally think England was one of the cleaner games they (Portugizafreekick) played and I think Rooney DID stamp chalots on purpose.
My beef is that MY game MY BELOVED game is being lowered and we can all see it, but we can't get through the national pride of a few to admit it. Thereby leaving it all status quo in the turd heap again.
That's why people are pi$$ed. Cos we have fought this battle once and won it and now it is here again.
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If the Portuguese team is as bad as you're saying, then how come 4 of their players got into FIFA World Cup Squad?
Maniche
Figo
Ricardo Carvalho
Ricardo (I bet the english love this goalkeeper)
Too bad the GREAT English team only got John Terry.
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I am amazed by the "sour grapes" that you guys are exhibiting towards Portugal and its players. You cannot take defeat and go to all lengths to find excuses. After all England was going to lift the World Cup!!! Uh! playing as England did it would have been a miracle.
The commentators on 成人快手, mainly Alan Shearer were French!!! last Wednesday night. The sour grapes go back to the Euro 2000 match between England and Portugal. England 2-0 up in about 20 minutes and then destroyed 3-2 by some magic touches. Then there was Euro 2004 and the penalties lottery that England lost again! You really cannot take it, can you? After all "you are really quite emotional, aren't you"?
There is an awful lot of talk about diving - try and see the incident that gave rise to the penalty for France in the semi final. You cannot see it? Play it again - you still do not see it do you?
France is likely to win so as to avoid more rioting taking place in that country. Mind you, I think they will still riot even if they win! Perhaps, not as much.
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As someone from Afghanistan I would like to think that I am a sideline observer in this matter. Yet I think that the character assassination attempt aimed at Ronaldo by English fans who have at times gone to great lengths of hooliganism was genuinely disappointing. I think Portugal beat England fair and square with or without Rooney. Some people are just sore losers.
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As someone from Afghanistan I would like to think that I am a sideline observer in this matter. Yet I think that the character assassination attempt aimed at Ronaldo by English fans who have at times gone to great lengths of hooliganism was genuinely disappointing. I think Portugal beat England fair and square with or without Rooney. Some people just can't take a loss easily and feel the need to blame somebody else for it.
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Alright I am done with this thread now. The only people writing in are people like hamesha who haven't even bothered to read the whole thread. Simply repeating almost word for word other entries.
So long everyone. It's been fun, but I gotta dive out (no pun intended).
I don't dislike the people of Portugizafreekick any more than I do the English. And the simple fact remains that in the World Cup 3rd and 4th place means about as much as what Trinidad and Tabago got (Honestly Englishmen. Would you have been happy with 3rd or 4th???). So we are all losers in the end.
And remember we are talking about IMPROVING THE GAME FOR ALL nothing more nothing less.
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Andrew Greiner- I can't be bothered to read all 388 entries of this discussion either. Were there a lot of Afghanis bemoaning the English fans blinkered sense of fair play?
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"Portugizafreekick"???
littleandrewgreiner, you're a citizen of a country that have elected TWICE a a**hole for president;Have some respect littleandrewgreiner,you're the one who is the looser, your country is the looser, littleandrewgreiner.
In all ways.
GET A LIFE, A**HOLE!
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Let's get something straight.
The English where better scoring the penalties than the Portuguese team. Remember 2 of the strikers missed the goal. Only Portugal had a better goalkeeper, he almost defended the french penalty. Tough luck the goalkeeper is part of the team.
Of course you are right about some things, wrong about others. As we say in Portugal nobody ownes the whole truth. But instead of wasting your time harrassing one of the overpaid spoilt brats that play the game , shouldn't you be trying to understand why 4 of your own should turn themselves into suicide bombers and try to avoid that in the future.
That surely is much more important than as I usually say " watching 22 monkeys chasing a leather ball"
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roney incident they say, roney was the one that stamped on ricardo carvalho, cristiano ronaldo is a fantastic player and the problem of english fans is that you wnted to have one like him in your contry, but the only thing that you have is a bad player named peter crouch, that is the worst player that i haver sin, roooooonaldo, IS THE BEST
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As a football fan, I watch the best football in the world, the whole year: the English Premier League and the Spanish La Liga. It麓s footbal at its prime, real world class competition. Could it be because they employ so many foreigners? I had hoped to be able to see these two nations in the final. Instead, we麓ll have to do with the French who have scored 8 goals in the tournament and may, in theory, win the WC tying with Germany 0-0 if they beat the Germans in penalties. Ludicrous.
I understand the feelings of the English fans: Portugal seems to have forgotten everything they owe England and dared defy them in their favourite sport: cynicism. The sequence of wrath:
Eliminated in 2000 and 2004; Big Phil turns down the FA offer to coach the English team, prefers to live in the caves; Ronaldo expresses his wish to move to Real Madrid just before the WC started; lost the 2006 quarter finals to the Ports. The icing on the cake is that the infamous red card incident involved three players of the Premier League - Ouch! The nerve of the little men!...
Well, as for the Portuguese Diving School, I think we麓ll have to look somewhere else. Portugal is proud of their iliteracy record and do not have that many schools for their players - or anyone else for that matter. Since only Ricardo (the MasterDiver) plays for a Portuguese team, one may conclude that the other ten have earned their Diving MBA麓s abroad, England included.
On a final note, Brazil麓s defeat does not harm their reputation as the number one football world power. I hope that, one day, England will have a team that will honor their Premier League quality football - and Spain, La Liga麓s! I am half Welsh- half Basque. Naturally.
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Ronaldo is a flash mug and he's got what he's deserved - like England, he's out of the tournament but now he's cheated himself out of the World Cup Young Player award.
You reap what you sow, young man
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um hi ok i think this Ronaldo being vilian is ridiculous and i think that it wasnt only portugal that wasnt playing fairly some germany places took some dives anyway football used to be about the fun and the sportsmanship now its all about oh if you touch them you get foul. I think that it was wanye rooneys fault and it think he only pushed ronaldo because ronaldo is he fellow team mate and a friend and he went to the refery and told him Carvalho is hurt nothing more nothing less and that made wanye rooney mad wouldnt you be?
-Ana
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"Winker" Ronaldo knew exactly what he was doing. I suspect it was part of Big Phils game plan. More fool Rooney for falling for it. Rooney seemed to have been fouled at least once immediately before the "tomato" incident. The ref appeared not to have "seen" it. There was little pressure applied to "legs a kimbo" Ricardo Carvahlo, if the Rooney boy had applied any pressure, Ricky would now be principle singer in the castrato chorus! Ronaldo et al, I believe were responsible for Rooney's sending off. The Roon doesn't get off scot free... he behaved like a complete eejit. Figo head butt. Yellow card. Rooneys tomato tickle Red? Discuss. Sin Bins for cheats who would then be subjected to the crowds contempt might teach these precious prima donnas a touch of honesty, humility & fair play. Dream on eh!
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All the biterness against Portugal and our big talent Ronaldo came in the first place from the english press, who behave like hoolligans. Let's face it:
- In 成人快手 Shearer said that Rooney should "put one in" Ronaldo when they meet at Old Trafford
- All the newspapers hyper Ronaldo role on Rooney incident.
- The author of these article, let's call him Mcnulity, because thats what he really is - NULL - said several times that Portugal were a bunch of cheating players, divers and so on...
That kind of behavor was of course followed by the french press because it suits them at the time, regarding the match against Portugal.
The reaction in the stadium was a sum of the english and french suporters winded by the media.
That I'm certain will not happen tomorrow with Germany and soon will be forgoten... except in England of course where the sorrow losers and the biterness are wild spread among the fans and the press, as these have lost the notion of being professionals e behave like a thug of hooligans!!
By the way... the decision of sending off Rooney was the right one as demonstrates tehe FIFA decision of apointing the very same referee for the Word Cup final!! Take That!!
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The whole England - Portugal business is getting ridiculous now. Both countries are forgetting that this is about a game of football and both sets of fans are taking things too far with comments that are not related to the actual game itself - there are some really offensive comments posted all over the internet by both the English and the Portuguese. Neither doing themselves any favours really.
I love football and I love England but we were awful and deserved to come home. Simple. Forget Rooney and Ronaldo with their temper tantrums and diving. We were just bad and most English people know that.
As for Portugal, I think they do need to look at their style of game with regards to fairplay (as do many teams - including ours). The English also need to put this in perspective and appreciate that this is about a football game, not about the beautiful country of Portugal or the Portuguese people.
Same goes for the Portuguese. Having spent much of the last 2 years living there, it saddens me to see out dated stereotypical comments being made by some Portuguese regarding hooliganism and the English in general.
Neither team were ever good enough to win the World Cup. We should all just accept that, be a bit nicer to each other and get on with it.
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I loved the English team, but this C. Ronaldo affair has really cast a shadow about England on my mind. I am amazed by the British's media, and fans trashing Cristino Ronaldo of Port. Just look at the replay, and see how Wayne Rooney stepped on the Portoguese players testicles while the player was down. That horrible action by Rooney, not only deserved a red card, but a much stiffer penalty, and suspension by FIFA. Cristno Ronaldo was in his rights to suggest the red card for Rooney. I suggest to the English to look in the mirror and see their own terrible behaviours before blaming other people. I am sorry, but England lost the game. This abuse of C. Ronaldo shows of a low character of a team, and the fans.
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Let's be honest, Rooney deserved to be sent off, and Portugal probably saved us from an embarrassing semi-final exit. Rooney needs to get his temper under control or it'll ruin his career. Also, it has to be said that Ronaldo does dive and play for free kicks and stuff, his dive in the semi-final where he tried to get a penalty was a classic. In addition, the worst game of the competition by far was the Portugal-Holland game, the Dutch were not innocent, but Portugal were everybit as bad, and Figo deserved a red card for violent conduct every bit as much as Rooney.
What is sad about this is it has overshadowed the actual games, and people are noticing more and more that the game is being ruined by divers and foul play, if Fifa don't get a grip on this the game will end up a joke. And it is not just Portugal, England have divers, Henry has lost a lot of credibility, Italy are past masters, Argentina like to do their bit for gamesmanship, it's a joke.
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Christian Ronaldo is a professional player and a grown man. Winking to his coach on international television after a player was sent off was not clever. After that, he wasn't going to win a popularity contest with opposition supporters, so I can understand the booing.
Booing of players for unsportsman like conduct happens often in the premiership and in other sports too.It is not attractive, but then again sport is competitive activity and not a group hug.
Certainly I don't blame him for England losing. I also think Rooney didn't deserve to be sent off either as I believe the stomp was an accident. He did need a yellow card for pushing Ronaldo though. The referee made a poor but understandable decision. Anyway, Rooneys sending off probably didn't have much of an impact on the game apart from England playing better with 10 men.
The reason England lost is simple. It's not Portugal, it's not the media and it is not a lack of talent, as on paper the English team was probably the best at the world cup.
Unfortunately the confidence that the top English premiership teams play with, week in and week out just doesn't translate at the international level. The English players just don't seem to have that mental toughness that other teams have. Look at Lampard. Great player, but come on...20+ shots and no goal?
Certainly England can be heroic and fight when their backs are against the wall but when it comes to needing ice in their veins, they just don't have it. Even with ten men they had plenty of chances to win and when it came being on level terms with penalties well.....
Perhaps the FA should have a good hard look at itself and decide whether it has the ability or will to administer the England set up as well as a Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea. If not, England will always fall short of it's potential.
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I am an Asian and neutral to this post. However, 成人快手 is not doing a good job here. It is very disappointing because I choose 成人快手 over an americal news network for news. Probably, you should realize how professional you should be.
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Without being too sarcastic, we could also say Ronaldo has done his bit for international unity in bringing England, France and Holland together and possibly Germany depending on his behaviour in todays game:)
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To BlackJack (Post #397)
You complain about bitterness in the English Press and then, frankly, you rant on rather bitterly yourself. You are not the only one ... it seems to be the norm in these blogs. So let me try to be a little more objective.
1. Our 'beloved' press hate everyone. The Portuguese Football Team are at the end of a very very long list of their victims, so please don't take it all so personally.
2. Get it right about Shearer. He did not say that Rooney should smack Ronaldo, just that he wouldn't be surprised if he did. You are just perpetuating a myth. But I agree that what Shearer did say wasn't very responsible and it was noticeable that the other pundits went silent for a few seconds after he made his comment.
3. Most of the time, the 成人快手 pundits and English Press were rightly criticising England and Sven for being so inept (and I agreed with most of it!). I have to assume that you are just reading reports of reports.
4. The English aren't a bunch of hooligans and the Portuguese are not a bunch of cheats.
This is the reality: Rooney needs to control his aggression and Ronaldo needs to stay on his feet more. Both are fantastic footballers and will suffer with bad reputations otherwise.
Paul.
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I am really sick to my back teeth listening to the English bad mouth Portugal. It's laughable that they gave France their support considering the hatred they have always felt for them. I seem to recall Man U fans spitting at Eric Cantona in the past. It's no wonder Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would rather back the Anti Christ than give England their support. We have all heard the cries of 'foul play' before. England should face up to the fact that you are STILL not up to the mark. Grow up!
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As long as losers don't accept defeat and continue to make excuses they will continue to be losers. That's what England is. They lost because of the stupidity of Wayne Rooney who lost his head, because of the referee who made a bad call and they lost because Portugal goalkeeper was better than England's in the penalties. But the main reason is that England can't seem to handle the pressure and their nerves. The portugese did that better and that's why they won. SPOT KICKS IS NOT LOTTERY!. If it is why does England always lose and Germany always win penalty shoot outs? There was huge pressure on England to win that match as there were lot of expectations where as Portugal had nothing to lose. And England couldn't handle the pressure. Its not about practising the spot-kicks. Every club level player knows how to take penalties. But scoring in front of a few thousand people is a totally different ball game. Its about nerves, mental toughness and being able to handle the pressure. Maybe the English can learn from Zidane on how to beat Ricardo instead of wasting their time cursing Ronaldo.
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It's with great sadness that I've been reading and seeing all the sites, blogs and comments about C. Ronaldo and the portuguese team.
I am portuguese and above all I support my team. English people should try to do the same.
Before the game with England I saw the english media talking badly about our players. Before the game with France I saw the french media talking badly about Ronaldo and portuguese games, when France wasn't even doing a good journey troughout the tournment. After the game with France, Domenech said to our players: "I've fucked you one more time".
What we should really be ashamed of is all this outside games, the lies the press creates (specially english press) to spice up the atmosphere.
It's useless to talk about C. Ronaldo because each opinion is exactly that, an opinion, with lots of subjectivity in it.
Nevertheless you should try to know a bit more about cultural facts. A wink in Portugal doesn't mean "I've fucked them once again" (like Domenech would do) but "We'll do ok, I'm happy". It's a sign of friendship, not evil!
And you can say what you want but if I was a player I would also be glad to play with 10 players instead of 11. If you don't like to show your feelings don't blame others for doing it. Rooney was sent off because of its own acts not because of Ronaldo's lack of sense of opportunity to show his confidence on vitory.
And that campaign to vote for Valencia is worse than any C. Ronaldo attitude, because it's made just to harm a person, it's nothing but hatred.
Fair play is also knowing how to respect all the other teams and Portugal has been doing that quite better than Holand, England or France.
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Is this the reporter we welcomed and gave hospitaly in Euro 2004? I hope every portuguese having problems right now because of articles like this make a 成人快手 complaint and you have also the opportunuty to complain to the journalism board in UK Government.
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After reading a great number of these posts I gotta tell ya I'm deeply ashamed of being English...
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Has anybody noticed a similarity between Enlish sour grapes and Portuguese sour grapes at losing to France? I think it's hilarious, both are looking for excuses to excuse the poor performance of their teams in the final matches they played, look at much Portuguese reaction to the French game and you see just as much looking for excuses, blaming the referee etc., I think it's hilarious that both sets of supporters are so similar yet hate eachother for it, maybe looking in a mirror isn't good for people:)
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From a person who doesn't follow football the World Cup is undoubtedly a superb event, played by some very talented if not overpaid players. However I really can't see why certain gifted players fall over and play act as if they have been shot by a high powered rifle, where in fact they have not been touched. To all those players who 'take a dive' read on, and start playing with pride.
A rugby player by the name of Wayne Shelford was playing rugby for NZ against France, when due to some heavy rucking by Les Bleus, Shelford had to leave the field with a torn scrotum, leaving one testicle hanging out. He then instructed the physio to stitch him back up and yes, he then returned to the field of play. He finished the game and came off minus a few teeth.
For those you think this is not true you may search under Wayne Shelford, or just may just find him under 'LEGEND'.
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I watched most of the games in the world cup. I have to say the Americans are right, the diving has made this game for a bunch od cry babies. Granted the MLS is not the same level as the other leagues, but they would be booed of the field if they did some of the shaninigans that the best team put in ( including the english)
What a disappointment? Give me my dose of American football, where men are men.
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FACTS:
PORTUGAL beat england in Euro 2000;
PORTUGAL beat england in Euro 2004;
PORTUGAL beat england in WC 2006;
CONCLUSION: England are loosers.
FIFA's best 23 players of the WC:
PORTUGAL: 4 players;
england: 1 player.
The Most Entertaining Team award:
PORTUGAL: 1st place;
england: it's not even in the short list... eh eh eh, it's really pathetic.
Now, about the american sport so called "football-played-with-the-hands" being a sport of "men to men"... Really, is that a laugh, right? You're joking, right?
it's SOOO BOOORING...
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Cristiano Ronaldo is not the problem its the hole team effic. Portugal have a win at any cost meantality which usually leads to cards and cheating. I think if I was the Dutch I be pretty pig-sick of the Portugeuse after the red cards their team received and the many yellows due to play acting.
The answer to this is, simple lay down the rules before the game has started so its clear to these so-called professionals that;
"A Red card will be shown for any dive if the referee deams it to be so. And also FIFA should start to yellow card players who seek to gain advantage by getting their oponents sent from the field of play by surrounding the referee."
Of course they wont do any of this, they try but still it will blight "The beautiful Game" and will come back in the Premiership it the form of Drogba and Roben and we will be back to square 1.
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I am Colombian living in the US and thought before the Cup started that England had a good squad and were one of my favs to go to the final. However from the start of the tournament they played awful barely scoring against Paraguay? I never any team chemistry.
That said I was not happy with how Portugal used dive tactics, but I found that the only way they altered the game was in running the clock (particularly against Holland where they wasted close to 15mins with that whole circus). In the game against England Portugal was the better team, and this should not be surprising England never showed any chemistry Lampard+Gerrard at mid don't work well together (not to mention Lampard shooting every oportunity wide or over the bar) and the lone striker formation was probably the biggest mistake. So whether or not Rooney had been sent off England just didn't have enough game to beat Portugal.
Now the English blame Ronaldo because their team didn't reach the semis (it was a combination of luck+easy opposition that got them there) and the result is that Ronaldo will leave ManU go to Spain or Italy and comeback to haunt English clubs in European tournaments.
It's terrible sportsmanship to use tactics like dives etc, but all teams use them (yes even England as unbelievable as it may sound) but blaming the failure of an overhyped team on one of the shining players of the tournament is ridiculous and an example of sore losing. Ronaldo outplayed Rooney and England all the way and that is why Portugal went as far as they went. Now I guess all are happy as Ronaldo (and his talent) leave English footie for good.
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Red cards will soon stop diving: an art practiced by players like Ronaldo.
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I love to see a compilation of ALL the diving players. They are cheats and they should be punished after the games.
Why not video replay before a penalty was given? Win or lose depends on that penalty. PLEASE USE VIDEO REPLAY FOR IMPORTANT DECISIONS.
Australia may had beaten Italy if that bad penalty decision was not given.
Every time i watch soccer, i get really annoyed when people dives and pretending injuries.
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FIFA killed Christiano Ronaldo
It is really an idiotic decision to see how FIFA granted the young player of the world cup award to Germany鈥檚 Podolski, who doesn鈥檛 match an extraordinary talent as Ronaldo has, it doesn鈥檛 mean that Podolski is not a good player. When you evaluate the whole players, Ronaldo was one of the shining stars in the world cup matches and he is the best player as well. However a cameraman captured his winking scene towards his patriotic Portuguese team mates that doesn鈥檛 mean anything to anybody rather than to provoke naturally unusual behavioral English football fans and to take away Ronaldo鈥檚 the much deserved young player award, which is an injustice to the football world.
However the semifinal between Portugal and France is a shame to see how France got a penalty kick for their own team mates dramatic diving game which would have been a historic appreciation in the football history if the referee had given red card to the French player? Notwithstanding the same referee could not see how Portuguese player was knocked off by the French player within the penalty area.
I am not a French or Portuguese or German to support anybody, I am an Indian who watched the whole game with football zeal like any other millions of football fans around the world and these kinds of wrong decision is disappointing the whole world and degrading the dignity of football as the favourite sports in the world.
Augustus Edwin Gomez
Abu Dhabi 鈥 United Arab Emirates
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Must say I agree with almost every word from 'ayala'. I didn't watch football much before leaving UK. (I used to, but Man.City fans can only take so much surely?) Looking forward to a game of skill tonight though.
But C. Ronaldo does need to grow up. Maybe someone could come up with maturity classes for him and most of the English players, commentators,press and, judging by this blog, rather a lot of the 'fans' too.
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It is not only the English press that are lambasting Portugal, here in Belgium, all the Belgian, French, Dutch blogs are equally critical. It is the ordinary Jeans and Pierres who think the same, everyone thinks that the Portuguese cheated and dived, for me it is obvious
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In USA we have heard many horrible stories about the English press and the English hooligans. The English are showing their true colors. They are attacking a small country and in particular a young man for protecting it's country than a UM team mate. In America they say the English are a bunch of wimps. I do not see this kind of hatred towards Germany or Italy!
We in America soon will be able to play great and will be able to play like any soccer player in the world. I hope to God that we do not play like the English or the French.
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shirt mind is what english are..bbc behaviour in this was awfull, where is the high quality journalism? the great loosers with all this is bbc (they lost all the international respect), rooney ( a bad behaved boy and heavy drinker) and england team (for the lack of fair paly)..they will never win anything while they blame their lack of quality in the others. Learn to play football instead of gossiping...The portuguese press never attacked the english players..this is racism and xenophoby..shame on you england!
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What is all the fuss about Ronaldo and the Portuguese team? Why can't you look at your own faults and mistakes? Accusing others is just a way of throwing sand in peole's eyes. The English team displayed a poor football, no imagination and no tactical vision. If you were honest and fair about your judgement you would recognise that you only have to blame yourself. Please stop blabbering about the portuguese team, and focus on your own weaknesses - Lampard was a disgrace, Gerard a shadow of himself, Beckham was an "absent" presence, Rooney a brat... I've always admired and supported the English team and it makes me sad to read unjust things...
Meanwhile, there is another World Champion, Italy deserved it! And while we at it, how about thrashing the French team who had a poor behaviour in most matches?
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Dear Doug
I start by reminding you that Portugal lost to Greece in 2004 after defeating England, Holland, Spain and Russia, while the greeks defeated the French among others.
As to this WC I must admit that some of our players have been diving too often! I dont like it either. But when you say the entire team sucks and that the portuguese are a bunch of cheaters and lyers, not only offends me, but also offends millions os hardworking people, who every year greet with a smile on their faces millions of stupid, drunken and psychologically underdeveloped Britons.
Whilst we may not have played very well this WC, we did surely outplay England, especially while Rooney was still in the game. Why dont you try looking for scapegoats in your own team? Why didnt Lennon play more often instead of Beckham? Why play with Lampard when he was clearly out of shape?
By the way... nice final!! France got what they deserved, not for beating Portugal with a nice dive by Henry, but for the dive that gave them the PK against Italy. At the end little Napoleon (Domenech) went home just like the real one... with the taste of defeat in his mouth (didnt see him making diving gestures with Zidane, Henry and Malouda)!!
Forza Azzurri!!! You deserved it..
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The hard evidence is there, Portugal did not dive any more than several other teams:
In the Portugal-France game, the only player to get a verbal warning from the ref for diving (as far as I could see) was Zidane, for the most cynical dive in the entire game. Anyone else but Zidane would have got a yellow card for that one. And today against Italy he dived blatantly three times just in the first 20 minutes. And then... well, Saint Zidane can no no wrong, right?
In the England-Portugal match, the only dive with any practical consequences for the play of the game was Joe Cole winning a free-kick on the edge of the box with a blatant dive.
Hargreaves was the only player to get a yellow card in the England-Portugal game for harassing the ref for a non-existent pen. It was described by commentators as 'great fighting spirit'. But C. Ronaldo is still being vilified in the most abject way for a much shorter protest (and his house vandalised, etc.)
Henry made a meal with his theatrics to win a pen on 50/50 call against Portugal, and dove a several other times in that game (certainly more often than C. Ronaldo did in that game!) Today's pen against Italy was even more dubious.
It goes on and on. Examples are easy to find, because the stats are not there by accident. Portugal did not dive any more than many other teams in this WC. But you see what you expect to see. You see what you want to see.
I disapprove of cheating by all teams, including by Portugal. But that's not the issue here.
The issue is the vile lynch-mob mentality that has taken over the English, French, Dutch and, to a lesser extent, Germand, Australian, etc., press, since Portugal was impudent enough not to take on their expected role of gallant losers to big boys (even surviving the vile butchering by the Dutch -- the only team that intentionally tried, and succeeded, to injure opposing players out of the game, which no one is talking about...) The non-Anglophile press (Spanish, Italian, Latin America, etc.) saw what the statistics and unbiased eyes saw -- Portugal dives, but no more than several other teams.
The 成人快手 jumping on this vile, biggoted, xenophobic campaign will be forever a stain of shame on the 成人快手's record. Shearer effectively appealing for violence, selective editing to give a misleading impression of several incidents, hate, hate, and more hate dripping from every commentator. On Paul Armstrong's blog there are parents in mixed English-Portuguese marriages telling of having to keep their children off school. There's simply no excuse for what the 成人快手 did, and is still doing. For whatever it's worth, I filed a formal complaint with the 成人快手 board.
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Paul (#252) -- spot-on analysis!
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Shame shame shame 成人快手...Is this reliable news..no! this shame ...be ashame..and if something happens to any portuguese citizen inside or outside the great britain due to the xenophobic treatment...I will present charge of you to EU court and UN rights court in hague! Your behave like nazis!!! Shame Shame Shame
成人快手 killed itself!
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Ronaldo(portugal) it's a great player and diserve respect, he will be the best player on earth , i think taht will be bad for the english football if ronaldo goes out of england, so show same respcet he is a huge player and have i great tecnike that english fans like. GO RONALDO!!!! LIKE YOU EXIST FEW , ENJOY SPAIN
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Ronaldo(portugal) it's a great player and diserve respect, he will be the best player on earth , i think taht will be bad for the english football if ronaldo goes out of england, so show same respcet he is a huge player and have i great tecnike that english fans like. GO RONALDO!!!! LIKE YOU EXIST FEW , ENJOY SPAIN
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At the end of the day, Rooney did stomp on the guy, did deserve the red card. Regardless of what Ronaldo may or may not have said, it is a bloody shame that Manchester Utd will now lose one of its best and talented players because of this stupid incident.
Tracey, Man Utd Fan.
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Portugal beat England and is not suposed to do it... That's the question! How's the fault? Cristiano Ronaldo?? Dont made jokes...not today!
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now, its ronaldo's fault! u make me laugh. look at your own team! do u really think u were so good that u only loss because ronaldo warned the referee!! you have a very bad perspective of football.. the one that only sees whats for your interests... u should start thinking to give more relevance to cricket instead of football, because, honestly, my grandma understands it better than you. feel sorry for u and for the mark 成人快手.. there are more important facts to talk about then this one.. ya, but i see english people give more relevance to this kind of histories... this must be a cultural problem.
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The simple truth is that Portugal is despised and hated because Portugal beat England.
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What can I say,this is a pathetic argument.
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What can I say,this is a pathetic argument.
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Portugal delight fans worldwide
They played, they scored and above all they entertained us. After enjoying the efforts of so many teams during the 64 matches of Germany 2006, take a look at how football fans across the world voted and find out where The Most Entertaining Team Award was won and lost.
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Unbelievable...what i have read in here... i am portoghese and i am very proud of our national football team.. I have read some of the most absurd things ever... we cheat??? why?? because rooney bruttaly kicked ricardo carvalho and go out of the game??? or because viera had a violent tackle against sim茫o and he didn麓t even saw a yellow card??? or because makelele did the same against ronaldo and the ref. didn麓t do nothing??? or because heitinga didn麓t have the fairplay to give us the ball to restart the game??? or because after a push of sagnol over ronaldo the ref didn麓t gives us the penalty?? or because after 30 min. of the game germany-portugal the ref. accumulate 6 mistakes against us??? tell me... what did we received from this supposed cheating???? nothing!!!!! we have been tremendously harmed by the referres because of you!!! YOU don麓t deserve that a player like ronaldo is playing in england.... stay with your hooligan rooney (only 3 games????). Unfortunately we have only 10 millions of people but we show to the world not what you have talked about... we have show good football, excellent players, and that the english press is desgusting and has a very very bad losing...
Neverthless I was very happy that Italy was the champion of the world because France and Zidane were in the final because of Mr. Larrionda the unbelievable representant of the south america referees..
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shame on you!!! you lost. that's it. that麓s your great problem. look to JOS脡! so, what you say? are you hungered? see you around...may be in 2010! ooops, will you be there?
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I'm neither Porthogese nor English, but the way the English trash a wonderfully talented young player is just appalling and have earned you worldwide disrespect and comtempt.
The sad thing is that the English already have a bad reputation for hooligalism, bad behaviour abroad and for drinking too much. And now this scapegoating of poor Cristiano Ronaldo. You should be ashamed of yourself firstly for this character assasination, secondly for attacking the poor guy's home.
It is obvious that Ronaldo is the next big star in football and I just cannot wait to see him outshine everybody else in 2 years and in 4 years from now.
All my sympathy goes to Portugal after all abuse and badmouthing from the press. Booing a single player for 90 minutes is just against all the spirit of football and gave Portugal a big disadvantage in two succeeding games. Portugal played by far the most thrilling football without the usual butchery as demonstrated by other teams, especially Holland and Khalid Boularouz, when he deliberately injured Ronaldo.
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hahaha! U English are as low as the rats that run in the sewers.
All throughout ur history u have cheated, robbed and lied ur way to the top, now u create a scheme against a nation that has a far more superior football team than u! haha!
u talk about divers? I personally find it worse how a nation can worship a little pighead hooligan like rooney who is playing football, when he should be behind bars for beating up his mum.
Statistics show that Portugal is one of the fairest teams of the qualifying round. U guys only fool idiots and people with agendas. U have the worse fans in the world. In this world cup, only the english fans caused trouble! u should be ashamed of urselves, shut up and go back to england!
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