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You've guessed it: more snow expected...

Ian Fergusson | 10:52 UK time, Monday, 18 January 2010

UPDATE, 09:30hrs, WEDNESDAY 20 JANUARY:

The Met Office warnings proved very timely and accurate for this one. It's usually at this stage us weatherfolk breath a collective sigh of relief, but it's hardly a 'relief' for those people trying to get to work this morning...

Visibility during the rush-hour on stretches ofÌýthe M4 between Bristol and ChippenhamÌýhas been described as "terrible" due to fast-falling snow, with reports of it settling fairly readily in some areas (such as Swindon and elsewhere in north Wiltshire).

It's a very similar story up the M5 through Gloucestershire, with a good deal of snow falling there and settling steadily away from the major road surfaces.

That oh-so-tricky-to-forecast transitional boundary - where snow is falling and starting to settle, as opposed to more a rain-sleet-snow mix - seems to be lying somewhere just south of Bristol,Ìýjudging by Highways Agency live traffic cameras. Snow has been settling too - patchily, at least -Ìýinto parts of Bath & NE Somerset, towards the Wiltshire border. The regional thrust of the forecast was pretty close to the reality; now we need to await just how much snow actually falls. I'm seeing little sign of any significant settling until moving north and north-east of Bristol, as per expectations.

The Met Office rainfall radar image, snapped at 09.15hrs (below), shows the dual-banded nature of this system developing and the fairly broad swathe of precipitation falling across much of southern England. We expect those two bands to merge today, become largely stationary and then weaken effectively in-situ as the forcing aloft eases awayÌýboth northwards and offÌýinto NE France. Our current expectation is for some snow to still fall across parts of Gloucestershire and Wiltshire even by mid afternoon, so any clearance will be slow and characterised by the snow rates getting steadily lighter, patchier and resorting to rain-sleet as the day progresses, as opposed to skies suddenly clearing.

The Gloucestershire/central-North Wiltshire emphasis still looks a solid bet for the heaviestÌýof the snowfall.Ìý Please do keep your reports coming and post them here on the blog!

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UPDATE, 22:15hrs, TUESDAY 19 JANUARY:

My final thoughts, having seen the latest Met Office modelling...

The frontal progress will prove slightly ahead of original expections - thus any snow risk effectively expectedÌýbetween around 0800 and 1200hrs tomorrow.

TheÌýnotion of snow - noteworthy totals, at least - beingÌýlargely restricted to Gloucestershire and parts of Wiltshire remains steadfast. So, I'm sticking to my original comments on this (doubtless to be proven wrong?).

Indeed, I'll suggest further refinement to this theme: effectively NE GloucestershireÌýand extreme north/upland north Wiltshire most likely to see snow (i.e., if taken from all the West Country districts) and even in those areas, rather patchy in terms of amounts.Ìý

And in any case, it'll all be replaced by heavy rain and strong winds by Thursday!Ìý Far easier to forecast....

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UPDATE, 19:55hrs, TUESDAY 19 JANUARY:

I've beenÌývery impressed how the Met Office modelling has retained bothÌýcontinuity and the regional essence of this forecast ever since I started penning this blogÌýentry.

Other forecast models are now catching up with the general theme, albeit - as earlier noted - the French versionÌýhas offered support for a while. So now, we await reality.

Below isÌýthe latest Met Office prognosis for likely snowfall distribution and amounts. Blur the edges, please, but it does make interesting comparison with the chart I reproduced hereÌýon Monday. The broad theme remains largely similar.

Incidentally, we expect road surface temperatures (RST's) will not fall sufficiently tomorrowÌýfor snow to settle widely or for any prolonged timeÌýon most roads, other than where the rates of snowfall are greatest.

Settling onto grass, yes.

This willÌýprove a key point in determining the level of travel / road network disruption... I'm still not expecting anything like last week's widespread scenes of snowbound chaos, but there will be local exceptions, for sure.

new-snowfall-prognosis-wed.jpgUPDATE 13.00hrs, TUESDAY 19 JANUARY:

My last update explained - as simply as possible - how the Wet Bulb Freezing Level (WBFL) plays a critical role in our snow forecasting. If you've read that, then the chart below will (hopefully) make some sense...

It's again from the Met Office and continuing to tell a largely similar story to their last forecast output; i.e., rain turning progressively to snow during tomorrow morning as it moves northeastÌýand especially towards midday.

Shown here - superimposed against those all-important WBFL contours in greens and blues -isÌýwhere the signal for rain (green) versus sleet and snow (blue) is expected to occur by midday tomorrow.

new-wbfl-nae-wed20.jpgNote again howÌýthe geographical emphasis by this timeframeÌýisÌýprimarily on SE Wales, the SW Midlands and parts of southern-central England. If anything, we're leaning towards a slightly further NE focus, such that Birmingham and environs (including Oxfordshire)Ìýcould well see up to around 5cm of snow through tomorrow.

I still stick to the notionÌýof upland Gloucestershire and upland Wiltshire seeing most ofÌýany West Country snow angle to this. Below around 100m above sea level,ÌýI wouldn't be at all surprised if we see only rain and sleet -Ìýperhaps mixed with some very transient snow -Ìýin the likes of Bristol, Bath and most ofÌýSomerset.

With rain turning to snow above about 300mÌýover Wales early in the morning,Ìýwe expect it toÌýform a cold 'pool' of air at lower levels in adjacent Gloucestershire through evaporative cooling (the latent heat exchange process...remember this fromÌýmyÌýlast update?). This shouldÌýhelp the WBFL to drop - progressivelyÌýthen aided by colder air advecting in from the near continent later in the day.

The output I've reproducedÌýhereÌýis from the (called NAE, the North Atlantic Evolution)Ìýand has been expertly 'tweaked' in this version by the Chief Forecaster working at Exeter. This sort of detailed mapping, benefitting from hands-on modificationÌýat the Met Office and updatedÌýthroughout theÌýday, - and indeed directlyÌý'drives' the ever-changing graphical representation of rain, sleet, snow, cloud and wind you see on our TV bulletins.

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UPDATE 10:35hrs, TUESDAY 19 JANUARY:

The continuity between successive runs of the Met Office forecast models has proven exceptionally good for developments into Wednesday. Indeed our confidence is helped by the French, whose own forecasting model, called Arpege, is keeping pretty close company with the Met Office on this evolution.Ìý

The area of greatest uncertainty involves just how much snow will fall. It's unlikely to be on a par with the disruptive events of a week ago - broadly speaking, at least.

Much as expected (see my previous comments below), for many of you at lower levelsÌýthis will prove a very marginalÌýsituation with less rather then more snow likely. However, it's by no means impossible we'll see up to 10cm falling on higher ground of SE Wales and perhaps 5cm across parts of the SW Midlands, including uplands of Gloucestershire and probably across into Wiltshire and Oxfordshire.

I doubt the snow will fall or for that matter linger on the groundÌýfor very long, however. The signal for a return to sleet and rain from the west remains very solid, so a likely outcome will be rain andÌýsleet arriving at first during Wednesday morning, turning heavier and ever-more-wintry in natureÌýas it spreads northeastwards towards midday.

The period between late morning to early afternoon holds the greatest potential for seeing snow, especially as the system progresses anywhere north and east of Bristol... so I'm staying with my hunchÌýthat parts of Gloucestershire and Wiltshire have the greatest chance of snowfall exceeding, say, 2-3cm. For a while, at least...

By mid-afternoon the heaviest precipitation will have departed and lighter outbreaks of rain and sleet follow from the west. Thursday, meanwhile, still looks distinctly grim: very wet and very windy; some pretty significant weather that day, for sure, and so worth highlighting this!

For those of you interested in the science behind our forecasts, I've added a little insight belowÌýinto just how tricky snow forecasting can prove for us, not least on a sub-regional scale.

One ofÌýthe most important forecast products supplied to us by the Met Office predicts where the boundary will lie for the Wet Bulb Freezing Level (WBFL). Without overbearing youÌýon the physics, as snow falls it evaporates -Ìýby varying amounts -Ìýinto the surrounding air. The latent exhange of heat from this process cools the atmosphere and bear in mind, billions of falling flakes are all contributing to theÌýoverall effect.Ìý The WBFL, measured in metres, offers us some idea how far up the snow is theoretically likely to change to rain (e.g., 200m up, 400m up etc.) and critically, just how easily this level canÌýbe brought downwards to the surface.

This lowering of the WBFL - and thus the extent of evaporative cooling -Ìýoften occurs when the rate of snowfall intensifies sufficiently to bring colder air downwards from aloft (albeit strong winds can effectively stop the process).ÌýIf conditions are right, the WBFLÌýcomes steadilyÌýdown from,Ìýsay, 200mÌýabove your headÌýandÌýsmack to the ground, allowing snow to penetrate all the way to the surface even when your car thermometer might still show +3C.

So, heavier rates of precipitation can make a very big difference in 'marginal' situations; you may recall, for example, how some very light precipitation a couple of weekends ago barely arrived asÌýdrizzle for many of us, let alone as snow. It was a real forecasting headache and the WBFL played a critical role.

All manner of additional small-scale factors: relative humidity; windspeed; terrain; the type of cloud providing the snow - play key parts in determining if snow falls, versus sleet or rain. Tiny variations in any ofÌýthese can make the difference to a snow forecast being perceived asÌý'right' or 'wrong'!

WBFL-SLP-forecast-wed.jpgNow, the chartÌýabove might look a scrambled mess to many, so to help you see the British Isles I've highlighted the Bristol Channel for orientation! The cluster of round circles swathed across the chart show where frontal precipitation - rain - is expected to be falling at midday on Wednesday and how heavy it will be (larger circles =Ìýheavier rain).Ìý TheÌýstar and x-like symbols in blue are a signal from the computer modelÌýfor precipitation falling as snow (again, larger stars = heavier snow). Bear in mind this is a prediction, not rainfall radar here-and-now reality, so we're always mindful not to follow such charts too slavishly!

Note how the broader shading of the WBFL valueÌýchanges from greens to blues, with the boundary lying somewhere into the likes of SE Wales and northern parts of the West Country/SW MidlandsÌý(Glos, Wilts).

The lighter blue colour startsÌýwhere the WBFL contourÌýwill be at 400m; the next darker blue at 200m. As explained above, given heavy enough rates of precipitation (which we expect for a time tomorrow),Ìýit's possible to bring the WBFL right down to the deck from these heights and so it's over in the blue side of that boundary where snow could prove the likely outcome. And adding to the overall effect will be colder air moving across from Germany, helping to lower the WBFL more widely as Wednesday progresses.

Did this make sense? Phew....!

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UPDATE 21:30hrs, MONDAY 18 JANUARY:

Here'sÌýmy first update, as promised (see original entry below).Ìý

Our Met Office partners have synthesised data from another computer run and the mapping below, courtesy of their expertise at their Exeter HQ,Ìýgives a 'best guess' (and we do stress 'best guess' at this stage!) of the likely snowfall distribution and amounts for Wednesday.

latest_snow-estimation_wed.jpgIf you followed my blogs through the last two snow 'events' here in the West Country, you will have seen similar predictive graphics I'veÌýreproduced from the Met Office. In many respects, their accuracy has proven very striking and reflects on how the scientific effort behind meteorologyÌýhas evolved not only on a broadscale, but on a much smaller scale, too. And so it continues...

If you superimposed this level of geographic weather prediction onto, say, a map of the USA, the level of fine-scale forecasting accuracy we've seen this winter in the UK would prove all the more compelling.

Yes, of course we get it wrong sometimes, but then these errors will always seem so much more magnified when viewed locally across the cities, towns, villages and hamlets of theÌýcomparatively small islands we inhabit; encircled by a massive ocean on one side and a vast continent on the other.

And no - that's not an excuse for when we get things wrong; it's merely a reasonedÌýinjection of scientific reality!Ìý

I expect this to prove aÌývery marginal event in terms of any meaningful snowfall; i.e., many will see only rain or sleet in the West Country, so I'm not getting my cat's snow hopes up (refer below!) too highly....

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(ORIGINAL POST FOLLOWS)

I drove from Bristol to Hertfordshire over the weekend and it was interesting seeing the varying amounts of lying snow still left along the M4 corridor.

With milder conditions prevailingÌýsince Friday, much of the snow - as expected -Ìýhas melted to be replaced by a good deal of standing water. However, some appreciable amounts still cling to shady parts ofÌýfields and woodlandsÌýalongside the motorwayÌýin Berkshire and Wiltshire.

And a snowy top-up, not least for those very same fields and woods,ÌýisÌýforecast for mid-week...

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Any fresh snowfallÌýwillÌýbe greatly appreciated byÌýmy cat, Pickle - seen here last week enjoying a 'snow leopard-wannabe' moment. But are snow-mad cats rather a rarity? I'm really not sure. Some clearly hate the stuff, avoiding putting even a paw in it!

Over the past 36 hours, the Met Office's supercomputer has been keen toÌýrepeatedly forecastÌýup to 5cm of snowfall arriving on Wednesday morning, spreading eastwards to affect some partsÌýof the Westcountry, central and eastern England - possibly including more western parts of London, too.

The Met Office has issued an advisory - .

Those of you who follow my blog regularlyÌýwill know I'm reluctant to get bogged-down in the finer-scale detail at thisÌýrelatively early stage. But suffice to say, this will prove yet another of those 'what if?' situations for much of the West Country. Some of you areÌýlikely to see a fair amount of snow and others... none.

The broad theme suggests around 1 to 3 cm of wet snow (the type we experienced last week)Ìýfalling at low levels for a while through Wednesday morning -Ìýwith 5 or more centimetres in quite a few districts -Ìýall becoming progressively lighter into the afternoon, as it moves away eastwards. The mechanism, rather as we saw last week, is courtesy of a frontÌýswinging off the Atlantic, overriding colder air lying across much of central-easternÌýBritish Isles.

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The recent snow caused all manner of transport problems but whether Wednesday's forecast heralds similar levels of disruption remains to be seen. It's quite likely someÌýfurther snow will fall here - at Panshanger Aerodrome in Hertfordshire - whereÌýthe frigidÌýscenes shown here a fortnight ago have since melted awayÌý(Photo: Ian Fergusson)

And again much like last week,Ìýthe local fine-detailÌýforecastÌýaccuracy will prove a real headache. For usÌýproviding the forecasts, aÌý'win or bust' outcomeÌýis likely to involve distances of only a few miles,ÌýpredictingÌýthe transitional boundary where rain changes to sleet and then to snow.

Not easy, but we've already had two attempts at thisÌýin 2010...!

For now, it looks likeÌýdistricts from around Bristol eastwardsÌýare most likely to see some snow, but I'm expecting upland areas inÌýeast Wiltshire and east Gloucestershire to beÌýprincipally in the crosshairs for any more substantial falls. But this is speculative:Ìýlet's see what the next set of higher-resolution Met Office predictions make of things. I'll provide updates here, as ever, and look forward to reading your thoughts and opinions.

By Thursday - withÌýanother Atlantic incursion above usÌý-Ìýthe snow has been largely or whollyÌýreplaced by very wet, windy and milderÌýweather; indeed, perhaps 20 to 30mm of rain across much of the West. Heavy snow, perhaps even blizzards,ÌýisÌýa moreÌýlikely outcome up across northeastern parts of the British Isles, where the colder air remains.

Incidentally, the longer term outlook always holds a lurking -Ìýif small -Ìýrisk of the bitterly cold east/northeasterly influence returning laterÌýinto next weekÌýto 'block'Ìý any milder Atlantic weather from readily progressing across the country (as it did so effectivelyÌýa fortnight ago).

But for now, after this week'sÌýexpected snow, wind and rain clears, our broad expectation is for the West CountryÌýto experience a settled spell from Friday andÌýintoÌýweekend; withÌýfurther wet, windy and close-to-average conditions then dominating into the start of the following week. Will this become reality? We shall see!

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Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    Thanks for the update, Ian. Have to go to London by train on wednesday morning for work meeting in The City, so i'd like to see Wednesday 'snow free' in Stoke Gifford this week (not like the last two Wednesdays).

  • Comment number 2.

    Its funny, as I hear the forecast during the day I wonder what thoughts you have put down here in your blog, we as your average listener can only get so much from a forecast and yet your postings here seem to re-assure me of the things to come.

    With the Christmas and New Year break and then all this snow, I like many others have managed to get 4 days of work done in the last month, so don't take it lightly when I thank you for the extra insight of the coming weather, its make or break for some of us.

    Groundog day is a great film and a must for me when on the telly the Ned Ryerson character is one that makes me smile, I will try not to be that annoying if we ever meet up.

    thanks again.

  • Comment number 3.

    Hi BristleSi,
    I may yet be proven wrong, but my hunch is for this to be a largely rain/sleet event for Bristol and quite probably for most of the West Country too.... I doubt much snow falling in London either, but somewhere in between (Bucks/Berks/Wilts) might see a fair covering, at least for a few hours.
    Best
    Ian

  • Comment number 4.

    Hi Ian, thanks for the detailed updates. Can I ask what you think of the contractual matters between the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ and Met Office being described and hotly debated in many national newspapers at the moment? I appreciate you might find it hard to comment. But for us, the audience, would it really matter if the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ ditched the Met Office and took on another organisation to provide weather on air? I guess it would mean changing the presenters if you are all employed by the Met Office, but in some cases this would not be a bad thing (yourself aside, obviously, we'd happily keep you!). Thanks for any thoughts you can share with us, it must be hard reading such stuff in the media and still keeping a brave face to the public. Cheers, John

  • Comment number 5.

    Hi Ian, thanks again for your detailed and informative updates. I find it fascinating to see some of the charts and detailed mapping behind the forecasts that finally make it to our screens - I wish more detail was spent in some of our TV forecasts explaining things the way you do here.

    Here in Devizes (Wiltshire) it doesn't at the moment "feel" like it could snow again (it is 4 or 5 degrees and feels very pleasant after the recent extreme cold), but I have been surprised these last 2 or 3 years at the number of times we are seeing snowy weather when we are being told by some that snowy events are (or should be) a rare event these days!!!

    You mentioned a few times the possibility of the colder weather returning. Is this still likely?

    Thanks again and I'll keep checking back for your excellent updates!

  • Comment number 6.

    Hi Ian,
    Much appreciate your feedback, thanks. Yes, if we had time to show all of our forecast detail 'goodies' on TV, it would become akin to a Discovery Channel show - not possible, when trying to squeeze the salient points into TV weather airtime ranging anywhere from two-and-a-half minutes, down to just thirty seconds!
    I'm very conscious how some accuse us of 'dumbing-down', but the reality is that we're catering for a broad and largely non-specialist viewership, so what we include (or not) has been forged through a good deal of independent audience research, rather than pure guesswork. There's no dictat from the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ saying we can't include the likes of synoptic charts (where they're clearly providing added value telling the day's weather 'story'), anymore than not showing the likes of rainfall radar, satellite images and the like (we routinely do so). It's simply a matter of very short time constraints and often, rather a lot of information to fit-in!
    The beauty of a blog, of course, is being able to indulge in much more of the detail for the likes of you! Local ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ radio offers a similar opportunity; just last week, we were discussing thunderstorm gustfronts and rollclouds on ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ Wiltshire's Breakfast show (at their request, not mine!)
    Talking of Wilts, you could well see snow tommorow in Devizes, probably after midday as the advected colder influence - from the near continent - gets its act together, before the frontal precipitation departs from you to the northeast. But I'd be surprised if you saw anything like the amounts experienced last week. We shall see.
    The return - or not - of a colder snap remains a topic of considerable uncertainty and hot debate. The (latent) risk of profoundly colder conditions making a comeback remains for as long as the Scandinavian block keeps its longevity; it's been there for some time and until it releases its grip entirely, the forecast confidence into anywhere over 4-5 days ahead remains very uncertain. We expect the blocking will tend to re-intensify for a while but whether this floods the British Isles with another 'reloading' of frigid continental air from the east/NE remains altogether less clear.
    Best
    Ian

  • Comment number 7.

    Hi Ian
    Well, a surprisingly snowy morning in Devizes. Well done to the MetO super-computers and forecast models, and thank you Ian for the advance warnings and notifications for this "event" on your blog. As I said yesterday, it didn't feel like snow and if I'm honest I was only expecting rain this time. But for the last couple of hours snow has been heavy, huge flakes, settling on grass, roofs, cars etc., and in patches on pavements and minor roads outside the town centre.

    I think January 2010 will certainly be remembered by many as a particularly snowy month!!

    Thanks again.

  • Comment number 8.

    Hi Ian,
    Yes, the Met Office got this one spot-on and all the more credit to their scientists, considering the advisory was first issued some 4 or 5 days back and the synoptics to deliver snow were both complex and confined to a fairly specific swathe of the country.
    I think most people will agree with your opinion about January 2010! It's been quite a ride, hasn't it?
    Best wishes
    Ian

  • Comment number 9.

    Detailed and accurate advance warning of the snow event, thanks Ian.
    3" of snow here in Nympsfield at 0730 and still snowing, although no longer 'feathers'. Very difficult driving conditions, Frocester Hill impassable for a time. My wife tells me it was snowing quite heavily all the way to Tewkesbury, where she works.

  • Comment number 10.

    Hi Cloudbase - thanks very much for that; useful confirmation of the situation in parts of Gloucestershire. Apparently Birdlip Hill has been rather chaotic this morning; of course, it's always a favoured spot for any snow problems! Best, Ian

  • Comment number 11.

    It took more than 5 hours this morning to get from Swindon to Gloucester, most of it spent in the car park that was the A417. Little or no sign of any activity from Highways Agency of Council. It may have been predicted but there didn't appear to have been any preparation on the part of the authorities - very, very frustrating, especially the travel man on ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ Gloucestershire wittering on about 30 minute delays.

  • Comment number 12.

    Well Ian, congrats i think to the MetO - pretty much spot on from them and your goodself! Interesting trip by train to London this morning, from a snow anorak's point of view! Got out of bed at 6.30 and raining here in Stoke Gifford; when i left the house it was sleet, then as i waited at Parkway station turned to wet snow.
    On the train about 7/8 miles from Swindon as light dawned everything was white and at Swindon itself, at 7.55am, quite heavy snow with a covering on every surface. After Swindon fields white, driving snow - slightly elevated that area i guess. As we approached RDG (just before 8.30) rain and towards London nothing.
    So for Wilts seems a 10/15 mile width of area copped it, as it moved into the North of Glos.
    Latest models seem to be predicting fairly slack, less cold flow for next week or so and into 10 days plus, seem to be trending away from a return of the cold block to the north and east of the UK - with poss return of the atlantic. Things could change on that front i suppose.
    Although i remember the winter of 81/82 - snowy, cold Dec and Jan - mild rest of winter months. Could be a repeat i suppose.

  • Comment number 13.

    Hi Swindon Queso:
    Your post raises an interesting and far broader issue: let me share some views.
    Formalised meteorological guidance in the UK for civil aviation (and military) comes from the Met Office, but not every council contracts the Met Office for their weather services. And indeed, why should they?
    Similarly, you'll note how different national newspapers use the services of various commercial weather suppliers. Consequently, varying forecasts can result: indeed, one major national title I perused yesterday and today made no mention whatsoever of any snow risk for the areas duly affected in the past 12 hours.
    This sort of variance is inevitable: after all, the Met Office holds no monopoly on forecasting our weather, despite it's (well earned) international prestige. At times, it will get things wrong and - not least because of its status - become a subject of 'easy-pickings' media ridicule.
    Albeit councils rely on weather guidance from a diversity of other organisations, most of the time the forecasts will, or should, be largely similar... but in a marginal situation such as we saw today, some will get things awry. It's inevitable. On this occasion, the Met Office guidance proved pretty close to reality.
    Science - of any discipline - should not be dictated by monopoly or shaped by unqualified media sniping and hyperbole. The foundation must remain one combining solid research, published results and proper peer-review. Meteorology is (or should be) no different.
    In the spirit of pioneering a very evolutionary branch of science, the competition faced by the Met Office should thus be welcomed and I'd imagine their scientists in Exeter think likewise.
    Co-operative and coherent peer review, is, after all, a very different matter from peer revile.
    Best, Ian

  • Comment number 14.

    Ian,
    I guess the key word in weather forecast is forecast, i.e. it is a prediction albeit based on our best available models and information but a prediction none the less that needs to be tested against reality. So, this morning when I got in my car in Swindon at 7 AM, I had that prediction in mind combined with available information (it was snowing but the snow was wet and not sticking). Based on that and previous experience from last week (with more snow, the A417 was fine), I judged that the risk of problems was acceptable. How wrong I was! But now I will add that to my mental model to conclude forecast of snow on high groun + wet snow in Swindon + need to go via Nettleton Bottom & Birdlip = work from home. Of course that may then be proved wrong as colleagues in this area make it through to work. But I am not sure that people get the prediction/forecast bit, e.g. the barbecue summer and mild winter.

  • Comment number 15.

    Hi John (Nicholson) -
    Thanks for your earlier posting from Tuesday; apologies for my delayed response to your question! Yes, there's lots of chatter about all this on various external forums. I am unable to respond because we're in a commercially sensitive process... I'm very happy to carry on talking about the weather though (as ever)! Thanks for visiting the blog - Best wishes, Ian

  • Comment number 16.

    Hi Swindon Queso,
    I suspect your experiences on the roads were replicated by many others, too. It'll be interesting to see how next week shapes up; at present, the forecast ensembles show a considerable spread of solutions beyond te weekend and so uncertainty is especially high.
    I think your point about many people not getting the forecast / prediction bit (or why they are sometimes wide of the mark) is well-made. It's especially the case when discussing experimental seasonal forecasting, of which we have read so much recently in the media. You'll find some interesting angles on all this at my colleague Paul Hudson's blog - see
    Best
    Ian

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