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Shipyard closure threat

Douglas Fraser | 22:08 UK time, Tuesday, 30 June 2009

What will happen to the Clyde's two naval shipyards after they've finished building large chunks of two giant aircraft carriers, for which the first steel will be cut next Tuesday at Govan?

The yards have five years of secure work, which is an unusual level of job security for around 4,000 workers, and helpful in getting them through the recession. But there's uncertainty about what follows.

What I've just learned is that the uncertainty is over which of them will close. And it could be both.

A leaked memo from the chief executive of BVT, which owns and runs the yards at Govan and Scotstoun as well as Portsmouth, makes the case for shutting two out of three yards, saying it has already promised the Ministry of Defence that it will scale down its capacity.

The memo argues that shutting two yards will provide multiple savings. It states the that Government has promised to pay the cost of closure, including thousands of redundancies - with a price tag for the taxpayer of between £115m and £165m.

The Government has also piled on the pressure, by refusing to pay the overheads for keeping more than one yard open during future periods when they don't have work. And although there could be £8bn of work coming down the slipway after the super-carriers - for 18 ships in two classes, according to BVT - that is not sufficient to sustain three yards.

So while the shipyards have plenty of work to keep them going until 2014, we are now looking at a strong likelihood that half the Clyde's remaining shipbuilding capacity is going to shut within two years of the super-carrier work being complete. If Portsmouth is the single site chosen to carry on Britain's specialist naval shipbuilding, then both Clyde yards would be forced to close.

Portsmouth, however, is in a weak position if there are to be closures, as I understand it can't build the size of ships necessary for replacement of the Royal Navy's Type 42 destroyers. Only a Clyde yard can now do that.

Apart from Scotstoun and Govan, Ferguson Shipbuilders at Port Glasgow is the only other yard now operating on the Clyde. It is for much smaller commercial ships and it rarely builds hulls these days.

Elsewhere around the United Kingdom, naval capacity has been shut down and scaled back. While the Tyne has some super-carrier work and Merseyside is expected to secure some, Appledore in Devon is at risk as a result of a £110m cost-cutting drive to get the multi-yard super-carrier contract under control. The future of Barrow's yard in Cumbria, owned by BAE Systems, is likely to depend on a submarine-based replacement for the nuclear deterrent.

The leaked memo follows another from the team building the two super-carriers - as also revealed by the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ earlier this week - warning that the contract has run up an overspend of roughly £1bn before work starts. That's on top of the £3.9bn costing when it was signed off in July last year.

The latest information is contained in a detailed memo circulated within the management team by Alan Thompson, chief executive of BVT. His firm was created from a Government-forced merger of BAE Systems Surface Ships, which owned the Clyde yards, and VT Group (formerly Vosper Thorneycroft) which owned the yard at Portsmouth.

Mr Thompson wrote: "BVT has committed to review its industrial footprint in light of the projected reduction in UK shipbuilding requirements post completion of the CVF (aircraft carrier) programme (current projections show that at the time the MoD requirements could be delivered from a single BVT facility) and MoD has committed to underwrite the necessary closure costs.

"These one-off rationalisation/investment costs are estimated to be between £115m to £165m for redundancies, site closure, environmental clean-up, equipment disposal and asset write-downs. Discussions are under way to agree the specific mechanism by which they will be recovered (e.g. via overheads over an agreed time frame)."

The memo goes on to suggest that the "one-base option" could save £350m to £500m, after the Government has paid for the rationalisation.

The timescale is for BVT to complete its options appraisal by next March, then developing an implementation plan for the preferred option by March 2011. Yard closures would be complete by the end of 2017, with investment in the upgraded remaining yard complete a year later.

However, there remain tensions within the teams that were forced to merge into BVT by the Government as its dominant customer.

Because VT Group was losing money on two naval vessel export contracts, for Trinidad and Tobago and for Oman, most of that work has been moved from Portsmouth to the Clyde, and BAE Systems is fighting over the damage that will do to the joint venture's balance sheet.

Until that can be resolved, it's unlikely the new company can sign off a delayed Terms of Business Agreement, which is seen as essential to the path-breaking new relationship between private sector shipbuilder and the Government.

The negotiations on that agreement also have tensions. Mr Thompson wrote in early May that the MoD's demands were overly complex and verbose, too legalistic and one-sided, and that the purpose of it had been left unclear.

There is resentment at MoD "far-reaching and intrusive" micro-management, insisting on getting involved in all supply chain tenders over £200,000, as well as approval of BVT supply chain strategy and tender criteria.

The corporate and Government sides were also in dispute on the MoD's requirement that a cap be placed on its financial liabilities if it decides to cancel major orders, explicitly including the super-carrier contracts.

The memo makes clear that Portsmouth remains the "irreducible" base port for the Royal Navy, and that plans are being drawn up for a "Pan-Portsmouth" strategy, which would see Royal Navy personnel transferred to BVT in a joint public/private venture providing support for the main surface ships.

Those watching closely what the Ministry of Defence and BVT's Mr Johnston have been saying in public may find these new disclosures come as no surprise. The chief executive has been dropping hints, saying the future for the yards is "bleak" unless BVT can break into export markets.

The key to that is building on the designs for Royal Navy ships and selling versions of them to foreign navies. The British have been poor at doing that in recent years when compared with other European countries, where they win international contracts at the less complex end of the market.

The Government set the framework for this sharp contraction in UK shipbuilding with a strategy for the defence industry published in 2005. It said for the first time that the lower-tech end of Royal Navy shipbuilding could be carried out overseas, only leaving a requirement for the most technically demanding and confidential of weapons systems to be handled using British expertise.

And there's another catch, this time European. Competition rules within the EU have long been waived for countries protecting their arms industries. That has helped preserve Britain's naval shipyards while merchant shipping yards have lost out to cheaper competitors on the Baltic, Mediterranean and in east Asia.

According to the leaked memo, BVT's legal advice is that there is a two-fold threat. One is that the cosy relationship between the MoD and a company that is being given an exclusivity deal on Royal Navy contracts (though not quite a guarantee, whatever the difference might be) is contrary to competition laws. Internal MoD legal advice says there's no problem. BVT's lawyers disagree. The other is that a new European directive on military contracts is being prepared for 2011, and that could force open the market across borders.

The response to the leak from BVT is that the memo was about "worse case scenario planning", even though the yard closures are presented as if that would be a preferred option and would be in line with the exclusivity deal providing future MoD contracts.

According to a spokesman: "BVT Surface Fleet has a solid order book for the next seven to eight years and is in the strongest position that the shipbuilding industry in the UK has seen for a generation. As part of its prudent long-term planning, it considers a broad range of options, including worse case scenario planning. However, it is also planning for and confident in an extremely positive outlook."

The shipbuilder goes on: "To that end, BVT continues to invest in designs, facilities and skills to secure the long-term future of both its Clyde and Portsmouth facilities. BVT continues to win orders both in the UK and overseas and is progressing well with a unique 15 years partnering agreement with the MoD that will further secure that future."

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said discussions with the shipbuilding industry are continuing over the consequences of reduced demand for navy shipbuilding. "There will be a need for rationalisation and efficiency measures going forward," he said.

He said it is too early to say which yards could be affected, and that nothing has been decided.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    Inevitable I suppose. After all, the union is bust because Gordon's spent all our pennies on saving the banks. So no nice new warships..

    But hey, we could of course build merchant vessels on the Clyde.. Oh but of course we're told we can't compete with Scandinavia, Germany, France or indeed anywhere else.... Why's that I wonder? Couldn't possibly have anything to do with our ridiculous levels of taxation could it?

  • Comment number 2.

    "What I've just learned", Douglas? You and every newspaper in Scotland, we might be told a little more accurately.

    Apart from the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ claiming this to be exclusive when it isn't, the issue for the two Clyde yards isn't what happens in five years' time, but whether the aircraft carrier orders will actually be confirmed and completed. the defence lobby is completely split on the project, and the MoD is under enormous pressure to cut budgets.

  • Comment number 3.

    This is part of a step by step plan to end warship building in the UK all together with eventual disbanding of the Royal Navy. A recent think tank report reommended cutting the Type 45 destroyers , carriers and Astute submarines from future defence plans leaving NO NEW Warships for the UK!
    Another bombshell likely to appear is the disbanding of the army units in Germany and cutting troop numbers down to below 48,000 from 98,000 currently.
    This leaves the RAF next for the chop. Hints are already flying that the new A400 transport plane will be cancelled along with next generation of air tankers.Ths Joint Strike Foighter also will be cancelled along with cutting the Typhoon Euro Fighter from 232 to 96 and cutting number off training aircraft by 50%.

    The projected level of strength for the armed forces would be roughtly as follows;

    Army 48,000 manpower with 200 tanks and 600 other armed vehicles.

    Royal navy 11,000 manpower 4 type 45 destroyers , 8 Type 23 Frigates and 3 Astute Subs plus 2 ampibious assult ships and 12 smaller vessels.

    RAF 11,000 manpower 96 Euro Fighters and some 130 other transport , training and search rescue.

    Not much to defend the UK from a re-arming Russia and no voice in the world at large . Those figures are not likely to see the end of the defence cuts but are long term targets to be reached in the next couple of years

  • Comment number 4.

    It isn't just Glasgow and Portsmouth under threat. The shipyards at Appledore, Rosyth and Hebburn are also involved in this work.

    And no WeeScamp. It isn't excessive taxation that has killed British merchant shipbuilding.

    The reason it has declined is that we can't compete against the heavy subsidies given to shipbuilding in other countries.

  • Comment number 5.

    Calling them super-carriers is a bit of a stretch - they're nowhere near the capacity of the American Nimitz class. The lack of nuclear power on them is a serious design weakness - it makes them slow, more dependent on refuelling and means they can't use steam catapults for the aircraft.

    The Type 45 is just a floating Maginot Line.

    In all seriousness, the UK should just buy the big stuff from the Americans (or whoever) and set its self-sufficiency goals to something more realistic, like missiles, vehicles and small arms.

  • Comment number 6.

    A visit to Ulsteinvik in Norway would show our business innovators and policy making movers and shakers what can be done outwith the gnawing dependency culture that is continued reliance on defence work in support of a spent (in more ways than one) empire.
    In a harbour on a small island far from Oslo, Bergen & Stavanger - all aspects of commercial ship construction are there to be seen, including the world HQ of Roll Royce Marine, which encompasses companies like Bergen Diesel(engines)and the Edinburgh innovators, Brown Brothers (stabilisers).
    It really does show what independent states of approximately 5 million folk can get up to when given their head and full access to their natural resources, and intellectual assets of course. I think you should take a look Douglas.

  • Comment number 7.

    I think that me6677 is fairly accurate in his assessment of the future composition of the Royal Navy. The new carriers will be mothballed and sold off when it becomes apparent that they are too expensive to operate. They will probably operate defunct Harriers for a few years and then be withdrawn at the same time as the aircraft, the F35 having been cancelled on cost grounds.
    As I have said before, the Navy should have realised 10 years ago what they were getting into and settled for a viable number of destroyers/frigates, fleet submarines, amphibious ships (including 2/3 small "flat tops" which could each have been built for not much more than a frigate)and auxiliaries. As it is, they will probably end up with nothing.
    The Astutes and the Trident replacement may well be the last submarines to be built in Britain, and the only hope for the surface fleet is the procurement of a low-cost light frigate/corvette which could be built in reasonable numbers. Future auxiliaries will probably be chartered merchant ships. An dreadful prospect, but no real surprise.

  • Comment number 8.

    On the plus side, it'll do wonders for our carbon footprint.

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