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It was an experiment?

I feel that the main issue here is a much different idea of deeper undersatnding. The veiw on Women Bishops will be a constant battle against theological opinions. Im sure your aware of Apostolicae Curae a title of a a letter from Pope Leo,announcing all Anglican Ordinations to be "absolutely null and utterly void".Angllican clergy are minister's to the people of God, within our state of institution under the authority of the Queen.Being a woman as "Defender of the faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England" I personally cant see wht this is an issue. Appart obviously from the Forward in Faith / Traditional Anglican Communion. I could go as far to explain the significant identity of a soul through an ordination in connection to angels without gender.This might not have an impact on those of an Evanglical/Anglican background. This argument is down to those within a same jurisdiction that are of a different opinion.

In that case the Anglican "experiment" is over to those of a traditional background i.e T.A.C and shouldnt of taken part in the 39 Articals.

The Anglican Communion is an onging experiment from Elizebeth the 1st with the war againt Catholics and Protestants. This option to remain Protestant then enterd a time of peace and prosperity after the "Golden Age".

That's great - the experiment is over, so when can we get our hands on the scientific write-up and a chance to analyse the raw data to see if the conclusions are justified? Is further research necessary? Can this study be replicated? What career options are available for the post-docs who are left out on a limb? Perhaps jobs at the Large Hadron Collider, since flipping burgers might be too complex - remember Mary I's advice: Turn or Burn. Clearly that old gal had a few years at the Golden Arches under her corset.

The sad thing is that if the authors had attended to the advice of us, their peers, they would have designed their experiment better, and not followed up so many false leads. Still, it is good to know that the theory has moved on beyond the need for a "god particle", and now that the apparatus is to be dismantled, I hope the experimenters find fulfilment as non-believers.

-H

Helio,

The Large Hadron Collider???? Sure, your guys couldn't get that to work!!!

Thankfully the church of Jesus Christ is not dependent on the various structures that at times & in places give it form.

"The Bishop of Fulham is a Suffragan in the Diocese of London and under the London Plan has the pastoral care of parishes which are opposed to the Ordination of Women and have petitioned under the Act of Synod (in London, Southwark and Rochester). He is also Chairman of Forward in Faith International."

Will Bishop Sackur be leading the schism or accepting the Pope's invitation?

The Anglican Church is not the Catholic Church and I for one say "Thank God".
From Popes who were Nazi sympathisers to the last one who with his doctrine of "no condoms" directly contributed to the (estimated) deaths of over two million people from AIDS/HIV in Africa to this one, with his remit to halt the decline of Christianity in Europe with a Catholic focus, I say no thank you.
Perhaps the Anglican Church should change its name to the American, Episcopalian, or something else more relavant to this new millennium, and lead the charge to revitalise Cristianity not only in Europe, but worldwide.
As an observer, it seems to me that too many English bishops have given up the fight.
I do not want Jesus Christ's mother to be an icon of devotion.
We can respect her, yes, however I for one will never genuflect towards her.
It is God the Father we venerate, and His Son, not Jesus Christ's earthly mother.
The "mother" was only added as a symbol of veneration to satisfy the Germanic tribes of the late first millennium, worship of the "Earth Mother" having strong roots there dating from pre-history.
Frankly, I do not cleave to such Germanic concepts.

You can never have too many Anglican churches.

May they divide and subdivide away to their hearts content.

Greg, what have your anti-Catholic nonsensical views got to do with the question of anglicanism?

"May they divide and subdivide away to their hearts content."

Do you think that there is a fundamental particle of Anglicanism though? I mean some point at which they can no longer divide?

And what properties would it have? Spin? What would it be attracted to, and with what force?

Methinks we need to set up that Large Anglican Collider, Helio.
The search for the "Non-personal but quite meaningful in a thought-for-the-day sort of way God" particle is on!!!!!

GV

Buck, this is why I keep defending you to PK.

You're a very naughty boy, but I do like you.

Regards to Wilma ;-)

Graham - Grrrrrrrrr!

If you are going to apply Science to Anglicanism you will of-course realise that Relativity will be of primary importance but do not be deceived by Einstein's utterly mistaken formulations: the Anglican experiment proves definitively that the more Mass a church-goer has the less energy he is likely to possess. Proof: Anglo-Catholic = High Mass but minimal energy; Happy-Clappy charismatic evangelical = No Mass whatsoever but boundless energy.

You will note, too, that you have come to the very place that made uncertainty a principle. When you espouse the notion of the moveable feast you realise there is no such thing as a fixed or indeed even determinable position and the freedom of possibilities beckons.

This is getting interesting. Anyone want to start putting some equations together?
Is Sentamu still in Northern Ireland? We could rig up a couple of catapults, and propose an experiment.
I mean he bungee jumps, he jumps out of aeroplanes. I reckon he'd be up for it.

GV