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William Crawley | 02:12 UK time, Sunday, 17 August 2008

McCainObama.jpgHow significant is the evangelical Christian vote in this year's US presidential election?

Watch and see. There can be no greater proof of the importance attached to that religious constituency by both Republican and Democratic (presumptive) presidential candidates than the meeting tonight at the Saddleback evangelical megachurch in California. This may be the most influential evangelical church in the United States, and with more than 22,000 attendees every Sunday it is the fourth largest local church of any kind in the US. In tonight's Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency, the church's pastor, Rick Warren, interviews both presidential candidates, individually, in a chat show format, and it's all broadcast live on network television and webcast live. The pastor even cues in TV ad breaks, chat show style, with, "And we'll be right back with Senator John McCain ..."

It's a measure of my commitment to this blog (okay, obsessiveness about US politics) that am now blogging live too while watching John McCain answer questions about his views on the issues that matter to evangelicals: abortion, gay rights, his personal experience of God, what salvation means, whether 'evil' exists and can be defeated, and whether taxes are going to rise.

Senator McCain has now been asked which current Supreme Court justices he would not have nominated if he were president. He has named four out of the current nine justices (including the two justices nominated by President Clinton). We're also hearing his views on home-schooling, faith-based initiatives, and a host of evangelical hot topics. McCain is doing well with this audience, winning a lot of applause, even though he has often seemed to struggle to express his views on faith. In this venue, his answers are speckled with faith terms and he is unafraid to describe himself as a 'Christian' and repeatedly speaks of the 'Judeo-Christian' foundations of America. I haven't seen McCain look this comfortable in quite some time. In fact, one gets a sense from his performance tonight of the task that will face Barack Obama in trying to wrench the evangelical Christian vote from Republican hands.

I missed Senator Obama's interview earlier; but my guess is that he played extremely well in this venue as well. .

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    Evangelical christians shouldn't be allowed to vote, on account of not being able to think for themselves, making catastrophic decisions throughout their lives and being the base of the vast majority of evil and suffering in the world. it's terrible that they can indeed vote and i blame them entirely for the horrible state america is currently in.

  • Comment number 2.

    Democracy's a bitch, isn't it?

  • Comment number 3.

    Brianface you simply can't be seriously suggesting the removal of evangelicals from the electoral process. You make a curious point. Very odd.

  • Comment number 4.

    And people can't understand why Americans ignore what others in foreign countries have to say to them.

  • Comment number 5.

    While a number of American Evangelicals (and Fundamentalists (both are not the same thing), and others of similar beliefs) are woefully ignorant of many things, the same can be applied to many of those who don't hold their views as well. Many Americans are ignorant regardless of their ideology.

    The solution should not be to rule them out of voting, the solution should be to inform them about what's going on.

    And, no, I don't consider Brianface and Richard Dawkins to be representatives of the typical Briton or foreigner.

  • Comment number 6.

    I have great respect for Rick Warren and Saddleback church here in Southern California; I've been impressed by the church when I've visited before. I thought this was one of the most revealing and most constructive TV pieces done with the candidates before, and the warmth of the reception for both candidates leads me to think that, in evangelicalism as elsewhere in America, it's either man's presidency.

  • Comment number 7.

    Obama revealed the riches of his moral philosophy - abortion is okay because women don't do it casually.

    Presumably bank robbers and terrorists are okay as well, because they don't do it casually.

  • Comment number 8.

    Asked at what point a baby gets 鈥渉uman rights,鈥 Obama, who strongly supports abortion rights, said: 鈥溾 whether you鈥檙e looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity 鈥 is above my pay grade.鈥

    "Above my pay grade" - I think that will become the sound-bite of the campaign - the slogan moment that does for Obama - like when John Kerry did that stupid salute and said "my name's John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty" or when Ted Kennedy said "what girl in the car, I was at a party".

  • Comment number 9.


    My favourite part: asking the candidates what level of income would classify someone as rich. Obama betrayed his obsessiveness with interfering in the lives of citizens with his answer that $250,000 or more is rich and $150,000 or less is poor. On this basis he plans to continue and extend the forcible redistribution of wealth by government. Contrast that with McCain, who says he won't tax anybody more than anybody else, that he wants everybody to be successful. BING! Right answer, John.




  • Comment number 10.

    We have GOT to have a similar debate at the Metropolitan Tabernacle for the next assembly elections.
    For sheer comic value, it would be priceless.

    GV

  • Comment number 11.


    GV- I'd pay an entry fee for that.


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