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what right do unelected role gamers have to block voting reform?

Labour's Lords are acting disgracefully. The will of the Commons must not be blocked by the Lords, especially when it is a manifesto commitment.

I somehow expected Max Mosley to be involved with this story...

Disagree with the comments above. Much prefer the (real - not people like Lord Prescott) Lords to the self serving corrupt politicians in the lower house.

If only that were true DoctorFloyd! Unfortunately too many of their Lordships are former self-serving money grabbing MPs along with a few 'accidents of birth' hanging on.

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the whole monarchy role game system is 'self serving'. Otherwise why would anyone play it?

if you look at the lords hansard before the reforms much of the debate was taken up round the subject of subsidy for land owners.

the uk has no national oath or anthem. the current ones are merely monarchy spells to brainwash the ignorant.

the monarchists keep saying their hereditary beliefs are 'superior' but they never put it to the democractic test. if hereditary is so excellent why not make all state positions hereditary from judges to police chiefs? Why do we not install hereditary in iraq and afghanistan if the model is so good?

Did I just hear Jeremy Paxman saying an extremely rude word that starts with the letter C?

YES (#7)

He spoonered, just like Mr Maughty. I wonder if we will get a juvenile frenzy again?

If the government had tried to introduce an unprecedented guillotine motion, I'm sure the debate that preceded the vote on whether to curtail the substantive debate on the bill, would in itself have been worthy of a week's dissection by peers. So there would have had to have been a guillotine motion on the guillotine motion debate...

8 "Capitalism" DD?

No7 Disgusted,
You certainly did, although it was a brilliant attempt to cover up the error. I think he was talking about the tax evaders at the time.

'7. At 11:00pm on 31 Jan 2011, DisgustedinDERRY
8. At 11:27pm on 31 Jan 2011, barriesingleton
11. At 09:22am on 01 Feb 2011, IPGABP1 wrote:'

Goody. Now, when suitably exercised, I can gird loins and let fly.. 'You, you... NaughtieMarrPax'! because, just like the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ and all who sail in her, it will be... 'unique'.

Meanwhile, scanning the author text, with talk of guillotines and whips... does Max Mosely know the fun to be had in public 'service'? He seems well qualified to enter the chamber.

It is, of course, in certain clrcles, if not a badge of honour, then a mot du mois...



Maybe it's all that mixin' wiv' da kidz on twitter, innit?

ps: In checking back, I notice that 'events' have overtaken my wildest predictions.

GROUP-JOINING PROTOCOL (#13)

1/ Apply the Groucho test.
2/ Make never being the leader, a conditon of joining.
3/ Ask not . . .
4/ Ask yourself why (no - REALLY why) are you joining.

7. DisgustedinDERRY

Have a look for yourself: Fast forward to 25:25

what a waste of a guillotine....

Bring on a Republic in-tandem with guillotine the latter must be rolled out to all who support this corrupt establisment.....well I'm hopeful the Scots will show the way........

Same old thing from the tories, as soon as they get into power they look to cement it by fixing a boundary change. When are we going to get an elected second chamber so that when it looks to defeat the government it can't be called anti democratic. We don't need a reduction in MP's to save money we need a reduction in the number of minister jobs created, currently standing at about 15%.

18 Apparently Lady Porter is an expert if the Tories need an advisor!