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I will be most interested in the "debate" that Labour has and how it deals with New Labour.

They are using "progressive" - as are the Tories - to mask themselves instead of the dread "socialist" word and of course they only avoided a melt down of their core vote due to the first past the post system that meant people jumped ship from the Lib Dems after polls had shown them right up with the Tories.

The notion that they can have a quick media friendly display of unity and common ideological cause in a few weeks just isn't credible.

The very elitism that dominates their thinking and alienates them from key sectors of their core vote won't be changed overnight - though I would be surprised if Cruddas is not everybody's best friend as he has credit.

I was going to have a rant about whether the new government is going to be as complacent about the flight from carbon and projected 2020 carbon shortfall as Labour.

I assume current analyses of deep water drilling are being questioned as well and that may affect supply.

So I hope you pester Chris Huhne at energy to see if he has anxieties having now inherited the chalice of energy.

Will there be the money available for renewable investment and are we, for instance, going to see plans for an electric charging network that will encourage green cars and a vast reduction in CO2.

In my world you use windmills and solar panels along the motorways to create energy and a viable charging network and then make it very cheap to encourage people to switch to electric cars with limited distance.

I am not Paul Mason so I don't know enough to get stressed about taking a few meagre billions out of the economy - if they are indeed largely savings rather than tax hikes affecting confidence.

It would seem to be swings and roundabouts with potential credit rating changes and dynamics from the national debt crises around Europe.

I assume the problem does mean that if the mighty Vince Cable and George Osborne don't think on their feet they could get caught out by rapidly changing circumstances.

The BoE seem to be very happy but then I don't get how we can have potentially even more QE later in the year and be taking money out of the economy at the same time.

I suppose the public sector shrinkage must happen but it would be handy if they had job creation programmes to regenerate those areas like Northern Ireland and the North East of the UK that may be blighted by unemployment.

I am not hearing any real plans yet for job creation further down the line.

I assume the fact that there will be a Labour leadership debate including Cruddas who has had to deal with the BNP lie machine in his constituency means they will be pushing that aspect of their activities up the party agenda.

I would hope that other parties will jointly ensure that we never have the national shame of the evil BNP getting electoral success as at the Euro elections.

It was all too much for the addled BNP in any event as Griffin's body language suggested both that he knew his party were hacked off with him and that he genuinely thought he could win against Hodge.

The Euro expenses seems to have contributed to the ex BNP publicity officer Collett allegedly threatening to kill Griffin.

But as Lewington and the recent wannabe ricin bomber show sentencing is only recently catching up with the threat of far right extremists and you would hope that here would be the resource to make sure that the "lone bombers" are lone and that we stem the growing trend of far right violence.

I have asked before about what will happen to Prevent and the strategy of dealing with internet propagation of extreme ideologies.

go1 wrote:
"I am not hearing any real plans yet for job creation further down the line."

thats because there wont be any jobs down the line. And what few jobs there will be, no doubt taken by the undercutters -immigrants, whom have taken over the traditional blue collar factory low end jobs. The kinda jobs that the white working class and non-academic school leaver would normally have done. Having 3+ million more added to the population in 13yrs is going to increase competition in the labour market would'nt you say! You said in a previous post that multicuturalism was a good thing, but you totally ignored the govt research and independent reports that multicuturalism actually was dangerous and not condusive nor good for communities, either now or in the future.

..In my world you use windmills and solar panels along the motorways to create energy..

we also have millions of acres of factory roof and industrial estate. gordon blocked every bill to introduce feed in tariff.

..The emirate of Dubai has named a British citizen as a 19th suspect of the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, the Hamas official murdered in the emirate four months ago, apparently by a group that included holders of forged British passports. According to a source in the United Arab Emirates, the suspect arrived in Dubai under his own name and carrying a genuine British passport...



what will Hague do if this proves to be more home grown terrorism from the passport fakers?

..the Army sent home over 130 women who got pregnant while on active duty...



when every person counts its pointless and wasteful sending them there? why spend thousands sending people over there to do a job if all some see it as is a glorified 18-30 club? you don't get maternity leave in war. but then we never really were in a war? just Tony's, now Cameron's, hallucination?

..Major Gen Nick Carter, the top soldier in southern Afghanistan, has given a stark warning that the Taliban were acting with "impunity" in an area of "criminality and lawlessness" ..



then its like the uk? where organised crime gangs doubled under labour. so its a success then?

Paul, today is the anniversary of the Dam busters raid on the German reservoirs, a time of brave men, giving service to their country and when you think of the grubby politics of today I feel those brave men gave their lives for nothing.....

'Ground Zero mosque plan angers New Yorkers'


‘Others compared the idea to building a German cultural centre at Auschwitz.’

@ Kevseywevsey #5 - :p well it's a competitive market out there, and if people get more on benefits than they do for a manual labour job, why would they bother working?

@ Jaunty #8 - ever thought the reason for getting pregnant was to leave the war zone they were in and get maternity leave etc?

MILIBAND D IS A RIGHT LITTLE LEADER.

I heard most of his disingenuous, mealy-mouthed yebbut-nobbut speech.

He believes in 'individual freedom' and 'social justice' (and perhaps POWER in the right hands). Oh - and Brown was a towering godlike figure. Yeah - right.

CHANGE? Not till Westminster is a MUSEUM of INFAMY.

Oh - it's all going awfully well.

ITS A BUGGER WHEN THE SCAPEGOATS WANT TO BUILD A GOATHOUSE!

The truth of the 9/11 deception is close to emergence now. If the Mosque is denied planning permission, on grounds of sensitivity, post 'revelation' there will probably be a claim for compensation!

Oh - it couldn't go any better!

..ever thought the reason for getting pregnant was to leave the war zone..

are you saying its cowardice in the face of the enemy? what did they think they were signing up to? why waste hundreds of thousands in training for people who are going get up the duff if they don't like it? if they want that kind of job let them do some office typing job or whatnot.

this is another 'equality' god indulgence that makes no sense for the taxpayer nor the military who now has to train people to replace them. equality is not the highest idea of the mind the good is. but the marxists would call that discrimination and thus an oppression. there is no good in sending such people to afghanistan only to send them back when they realise there is no shopping centre.

i understand the men take drugs to do the same thing [get out]. all these people should be made to pay their training back.

'GORDON BLOCKED EVERY BILL'? (#6)

How can that be - the forward looking, dynamic, radical, Mealibands (D and Limited Ed) were in his Cabinet, and would surely have carried the day, with their latent leadership qualities!

Or are we being fooled? Come to think of it they are a lot like Tony. . .

#5 & #12: if wages were not being squeezed down to the last penny, i suspect more Britons would actually *prefer* to work than be on benefits.

certainly the 2 million or so that are now in jobs that will be axed by the Tories would prefer to work, and given the chance of a decent job, even long-term unemployed in 'sink estates' would leap at the chance.

--i bet there are quite some thousands, if not tens of thousands, would LOVE to chance to go learn/practice at a permaculture college, with the chance of purchasing a cooperative farm and working the Land together with some of their former classmates. I bet there are 10s of thousands who would enjoy working in a respecting, democratic environment such as Infinity Foods rather than being *FORCED* to work for corporate, peanut paying Tesco.

i suspect 10s of thousands would enjoy working in a cooperative to install new sustainable technology, along with manufacturing and installing fibre optic high speed internet, or insulting homes.

i suspect many would enjoy being employed to redesign and install cycle lanes, or in new car companies, or in the myriad of new technologies the UK COULD be investing in.


i certainly would expect the vast majority of sane Brits to prefer that INVESTMENT in future tax-income, rather than swingeing cuts that will destroy the UK's social fabric.

the Tories say we are "Broken Britain" - i wish it were funnier that they intend to destroy even the little we have left, alongside changing the Constitution so they can't be removed from their cushy positions in Power.

still, at least cameron is 'cuter' than Brown, so its "all good". Right?

Is this story the same as the other stories you've done on the Labour leadership?

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BTW for all who suffer migraine (mostly women) Ive been trying Epsom Salts which is magnesium sulphate dissolved in water and dabbed on my forehead for absorption through the skin (no rear end problems that way) so far its been effective in taking the edge off the terrible forehead pain. For those who suffer you will understand the significance of being able to ease the pain from becoming




horrendous and sickening. Cheap as chips as well.
After having surgery on my head last week two days later the expected migraine
arrived and the salts worked very well although I was still forced horizontal.

Mods can you delete #20 plz it escaped me.

BTW for all who suffer migraine (mostly women) Ive been trying Epsom Salts (which is magnesium sulphate) dissolved in water and dabbed on my forehead for absorption through the skin (no rear end problems that way) so far its been effective in taking the edge off the terrible forehead pain. For those who suffer you will understand the significance of being able to ease the pain from becoming horrendous and sickening. Cheap as chips as well. After having surgery on my head last week two days later the expected migraine arrived and the salts worked very well although I was still forced horizontal.

:o) Look forward to the grilling of David Laws by Jeremy!

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EU 'SUPER-STATE' PROPONENTS HARD AT WORK PROTECTING OWN NATIONS' INTERESTS!!

1) "France, Germany Forced Greece to Buy Arms: MEP", 07_05-2010:
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"... France and Germany, while publicly urging Greece to make harsh public spending cuts, bullied its government to confirm billions of euros in arms deals, a leading Euro-MP (Franco-German lawmaker Daniel Cohn-Bendit) alleged Friday..."

2) "Greece forced to buy arms: MEP", 07_05-2010:



3) :

"Franco-German lawmaker Daniel Cohn-Bendit said that Paris and Berlin are seeking to force Prime Minister George Papandreou to spend Greece's scarce cash on submarines, a fleet of warships, helicopters and war planes..."

4) :

"... France and Germany, while publicly urging Greece to make harsh public spending cuts, bullied its government to confirm billions of euros in arms deals, a leading Euro-MP alleged Friday"
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.... 12 years of Labour govt gross negligence, deliberate lack of long term military force level & capabilities' planning & putting party-political histrionics ahead of national duty have left the RN an emaciated, neutered, excessively-vulnerable-to-modern-airborne-anti-ship-weapons force!!!

... resulting in the UK & its assets- particularly overseas ones- at high risk- if not inviting aggression- from both state & non-state actors world-wide...

... & jeopardizing the UK's hugely valuable, leading positions on the world's most powerful international political, financial, military & legal bodies such as Nato, the UN's 'permanent 5' group of its Security Council, the IMF, G8, G20 & the like...
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Why let France & Germany distort EU trade and financing 'rules' for their indigenous arms' AND high technology industries gains- while the UK's export capabilities in these areas are further diminished??



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14 barriesingleton

Yo Barrie....sublime as ever!...please do not take this accolade as a poodle 'Yo Blair' greeting.

15 jauntycyclist

I'm coming around to your 'good' vs 'equality' argument (have been for a while now!)....but how does it overcome the racist smears....(alas...I think that was an argument that Statist valiantly tried to make in such an elegantly logical way...but to no avail :0( ..)

I saw this quote on a pro-Islam website that I think ecolizzy gave a link to yesterday...

'In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.'

George Orwell

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#22

:o) Look forward to the grilling of Jeremy Paxman by the National Socialists!

Quote time:
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.

That could give you a headache.

Flicks. Migrain and headaches. Try meditation.

#28:

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever."

i used that quote on this page:



(gnuneo
28 June 2008 at 20:39)

- which also has a reference to post #1 on this page.

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The British people care little about which Milliballs will lead the Labour Party or anything about the Labour Party for that matter.

As the sheer enormity of how in debt Labour has left us there might even been anger towards Labour. Only Newsnight could miss the real news: -

As Clinton said,

It's the economy stupid!

cruddas is not standing.


DARN!!!!

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the 'pass-the-buck' is already starting between the new treasury team and the old one - is anyone surprised by this? Expect it to last as long as the Tories are in power... however many decades that will last.

Balls has no chutzpha!

But do you want a jewish 'brother' with chutzpah?

...chutzpah is very seductive!.....ask Simon Cowell!

#32: do you imagine the Tories would have left anything different? - Except perhaps even MORE debt, along with earlier cuts, and more recession.

but i agree that very few give two hoots about which milliballs is to 'rule' the nuLabour party. Shame Cruddas dropped out, although it was fairly obvious that he would have had trouble appealing out to the Electorate with his 'speeching mannerisms'. Even though he is the ONLY candidate possible that has good ideas for Labour, and a chance to renew Labour's connection to the progressive vote.

so once again we are looking at the Big 3£ being ALL Tory parties.

makes a joke of any future 'elections'. - Unless you intend to vote Green.

Jeremy...you are naughty!

Dave...the boy...is very seductive!

millipede the Elder seems to have forgotten that under nuLabour, HIS wing of the party, numbers of Labour Party members have dropped faster and deeper than in any time since it was founded.

by forgetting it, it means it is not important to him.


"wonk".

jeremy, we love you! ;)

:o) Oh absolutely loved Jeremy's interview with David Laws - pity he couldn't persuade him to show us THAT letter!Ha ha ha ha..... and very nice choice of tie tonight too.
The funniest was Jeremy asking David Milliband if he thought Ed was more fanciable!!!!:p

39......sad!

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TELLING THE TRUTH IS A REVOLUTIONARY ACT (#25)

How close that sits to Havel's 'stepping outside the lie'.

I hope we are all impressed by the 'Office of Budgetary Responsibility' (OBR) the presence of which (we are told) will prevent Chancellors from adjusting the facts. However, take the letters OBR and re-arrange them.
Plus ca change.

Jeremy totally failed on the point of gravitas (war) but did well with the 'wonk' jibe (jibes are SO Jeremy). both needed ramming home - but then, it's only a game.

In passing, the polished Wonk showed himself fluent in high-flown claptrap, but it still signified nothing. He is Westminster Rock - appealing at the time, but when you get it home, you wonder why you 'bought' it.

#42

There are wars and 'wars', singie. And there are strategies and 'strategies'.

I've already won but for the abuse, and that despite the fact that I'm on my own with no 'real life' back up but for my own perception and intuition combined with reliance on intelligence, including and primarily my own. And that's against how many?

On my way to Queen's, over the Battersea Bridge, I saw a van with 'labour' number plates. It was either a van of an electrical or building company, I'm not sure, didn't take enough notice but it did have a word 'power' painted on it. It made me think that it might take some time for the new government to unravel all the 'unsavoury links' that the disgraced administration, as well as those of different political persuasions /alas/ who fell into their trap, 'established' for themselves all over the place.

A treasure hunt, eh?

Apparenly no foreign agent has made it in recent years all the way to the Cabinet Office. This may indeed be so but it does not mean that the MI5 itself has not been infiltrated by double, triple or even multiple traitor agent/s exerting 'influence' on the Government and the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ, to mention just two organisations.

And to think it's all to do with a dangly sausage.

I'm taking my fight against the 'sausage' very seriously, going well beyond personal satisfaction, despite all the 'mucking about', etc.

M

#45 addendum

I meant to include the following link:



M

45

they don't need to infiltrate. they can just make donations for 'friendly' policies. or rely on incompetence.

what they don't say is that they didn't train cabinet office staff about honey traps which is why on a trip to china one 'middle aged' muppet thought he was irresistible to a young chinese dancer and when he woke up the no 10 laptop was gone. later it was said the chinese could now hack into no10 communications.

also given all the BT telephone exchanges are provided by a chinese company run by a ex [supposedly] chinese intelligence officer they probably have access to any telephone they want.

OUT OF TOUCH............ AND OUT OF TIME

From last night's NN

1) 'broker'..... should that be ‘more broke’?
2) Jonny Heald focus group. Probably poorly cut but seemed to make a sweeping assumption that since one voted labour, 2 lib dem, the other 6 MUST HAVE voted Cons. Doh!
3) When did we last hear an incoming government (of any colour) say ‘well, the previous administration have left us in a wonderful situation from which to build........?
4) And when were the GBP NOT completely fed up of ANY government after three terms?????????????

General Observation
I think someone has recently mentioned likewise (Jaunty or Kashi??) but I am heartily sick and tired of newscasters, journalists, presenters across the media either pre empting news (today the labour party will tell us.........) making news (we ask........) and worst of all perhaps discussing and interrogating (God how I hate the word Grill being used) guests on conjecture and speculation (will you... are you going to..... what will.......)
How about a moratorium on attack for say 8 weeks, with ALL media reporting only that which is factual, substantiated and with good source. Now that could be New Journalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH yes, and whilst I am a roll, could we at least give new MP’s/ministers a week or two to get their feet under the table and read more than one line letters that are derisory, BEFORE we tear them to shred for ‘not knowing......’, or ‘not being comprehensive or sure in front of camera'.

For Goodness sake, where else do you expect someone who has been 48 hours in a new job, a big job to be able to speak with confidence about what they are going to do in the next 5 years and HOW they are going to make it work.

p.s. I don't like orange so thought the tie was horrible.

NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY................FRIVOLOUS

Mim
(Fri #25/45)
You asked earlier about son -appetite and size. He is fortunate (in the genes and in self discipline) to be tall, slim, fit, strong, healthy and possessed of an appetite to feed all of the above. That is slowly returning, having lost 1 ½ stone in a week. The last 6 months he has cost me a small fortune in bulking up protein shakes and gym membership - but happy that he is on the mend.... because he's worth it. Even if it WAS one hell of a stunt to pull just to get out of cutting the grass!!!

Your day in London today sounds like my kind of day. I have been in Scotland for 20 years now and call this beautiful land home, yet I am a Londoner at heart. We have a 24 hour period in London every September (noon to noon) and stay in Westminster ( I have to say hello to the Thames). Always manage to take in a gallery, museum and exhibition plus a play/convert or show but the trip would not be complete without walking across Westminster or Waterloo Bridges and embankment, Whitehall and at least one or two Royal Parks. Most of all though I love London by night.

Gnuneo.
#25 (Fri) Concern (assumed genuine) appreciated.

#45 (Fri) Some say I have delusions of grandeur but never thought of myself as the Messiah – much more a very naughty ............... girl.
Ha ha.

It took a while but I checked. Got all the right bumps in all the right places, so yep, happy to confirm - I AM WOMAN! Written references available on request. I thought the name and the nature of connectivity/communication would have been a giveaway. And of course there is the old joke that when God made man, SHE was only practicing/joking. Take your pick.

No offence taken. I am quite amused actually. Far too busy and taking a fence is such a waste of time. I am just too yang to bother.

I may return later if work/home/family commitments and catching up allows some time to get teeth into the detail of the other thing that erupted overnight of 6/7 May.

FSA start to get real with the big boys ?



And for those who can be bothered with the gold debate:-

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Meditation and Migraine - yes !

Working on the meditation - its difficult to maintain for long periods of time.

#48

Quite a bit to respond to, BYT. Shall do so after some waltzing and fine steps polising.
Probably in a couple of hours or so.

mim

gordon maxing out the credit card for votes?

another reason why new labour have been the worst government in british history. gordon never won a leadership mandate for a reason. was one of them was spiteful use of public finances?

darling [maybe straw] is the only serious political figure who could take on the job. all these 40 yr old policy advisers are just caretakers.

Ash

no mention on its climate impact? given we have cold years for ages after St Helens

#5 kevseywevsey

"You said in a previous post that multicuturalism was a good thing, but you totally ignored the govt research and independent reports that multicuturalism actually was dangerous and not condusive nor good for communities, either now or in the future."

Oh you ... when you aren't bragging about throwing bottles at the "British" army and ranting on about plots to create world governments that can only be stopped by Nationalists you talk absolute rubbish!

There is no government report that says multiculturalism is dangerous as its impossible as such. There are no genetic differences between the races and so the only issue is the rate of immigration and illegal immigration.

Almost everybody accepts that there needed to be better control of immigration and that is happening.

So "the Griff" emerged as a kingmaker?

#49

Flicks

Sorry you are afflicted so badly with Migraine.

A friend has very bad attacks and has recently found help through meditation/relaxation but also through diet. Cut all acidity (tomatoes, citrus fruit and juices, vinegar, coffee and lots of spices from diet). There is also growing evidence that for some, botox may alleviate suffering.

Hope you find something that works.

Jeremy and Laws...buy tickets for that one....

#45: what is all this worry about "soviet" agents?

there are enough home-grown bad ideas to go around, somebody doesn't HAVE to be getting paid by the FSB/KGB/Mossad/CIA in order to perpetrate destructive policies upon the UK, - say such as bankrupting us all to hand the money to the Banksters. Invading the ME. Centralising all power in non-elected quangos staffed exclusively with people with the 'right' opinions. Organising 'false flag' operations within the UK. Creating and supporting nonsensical groups like 'Islam4UK!' to annoy everyone else.

subverting General Elections. Changing the UK Constitution to prevent their their removal from Power by popular (or even Parliamentary!) will. To always be looking for "foreign" subversion is often to be missing the main point.

i don't want to be annoying any of you by constantly posting links to things i wrote before, but this is an interesting topic:



"gnuneo
02 October 2007 at 17:03"

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this new "Independant" budget office - correct me if i am wrong, but isn't it yet ANOTHER Quango filled with political appointees on stupid salaries to come out occasionally and give the 'Osborne Line' when it is felt it is needed?

"independent" my hairy buttock.

just another gravy-train opportunity, another non-elected and unaccountable Quango to add to the bunch, another bit of media/public manipulation.

but then, "That's what we voted for", right?

#53

Stuff on migraine that Ive gathered that is said to help -

Vitamin B2, CoQ10 (have not noticed a difference)

magnesium ( significant help but can cause rear end problems so started to use Epsom Salts on head )

Change in life style - read or listen to Peter Goadsby (sure had to change mine - no chasing round London with a camera or visiting art shows any more)



Not sure about acid stuff - will look at that see if there is specific evidence. I do have tomatoes and peel the skin off.

Caffine withdrawal will start migraine - so keep caffine even (keep diary of daily intake)

Low serotonin levels will start migraine - keep this level ( not specifically sure how without testing for levels in the body. In fact I think testing for magnesium and serotonin at home would be a step forward but do not know if this is feasible to do )

Stuff to stay away from - Trip-tans, any sudden intense activity or sudden change to the body. (temperature change is very difficult to control)

Botox seems to be on the cards for some and very effective for those who have had it but its expensive in the long term and the long term is what matters, never the less am thinking about it.