成人快手

#11
Not this time, Ecolizzy, I'm afraid
I did spot a hint of humour with your 'right' in italics and if your post was meant to be sarcastic I don't understand your sarcastic point.
That there is no democracy in Switzerland? What's sarcastic about that?
And you saying that they will have to vote again - can't see any sarcasm in this statement neither.

It's a bit patronising of you to say that I haven't picked the idea of what sarcasm is about since coming to this country. Especially to somebody who was fed sarcasm since still in pampers. How do you think we survived under the Soviet domination? Jokes and sarcasm were on our daily menu, especially in a family like mine, in particular my mum and her sister, having /having had/ a joke ready for each and any occasion. Perhaps I ought to invite to come and meet the younger generation as well. Not a dull moment!

mim

#22
barriesingleton
I suppose irony would be a closer word to what i was trying to describe at #1 but I don't much care for how you address Ecolizzy who seemed to be a friend of yours only this morning, unless you're simply 'joking' with no harm meant.

Eclizzy

Don't take too much notice of what barriesingleton said at #22. That's precisely what I was trying to warn you about. Him, jj & co are ruthless people not worth a candle.

Perhaps we could meet one of these days. After all, you did say something very nice indeed to me once. Despite the appearances the whole situation is not all that easy for me neither.

mim

Can't wait to see Jeremy interviewing Sting :o)
Also look forward to Stephen's report on Health & Safety and what exactly would be excluded......

Extreme Weather Warning for BYT (and Anyone Else)

Went out this afternoon, the Crows were swirling around in large flocks, one field to the next. Thought thats strange the last time I saw that was in February when we had heavy snow.

Just looked outside thought it was raining until I took a step. It has/is raining on to frozen ground. Everywhere here is now sheet ice.

#5 Continued

Well got to make most of the cold weather if this is the end, so going the shop.

"I am just going outside and may be some time"

It would appear that the " Corporate Nazi " eco-fascist leaning celebrities have still not come to terms with the fact that the quasi-religious science they base their catastrophic predictions if we don't cut CO2 emissions on is fatally flawed.



It would appear that they are determined to plough on with their New World Order agenda regardless of the facts. Only this afternoon I watched an episode of Aubrey Manning's Earth Story which amply portrayed how the earth's temperature has fluctuated wildly between hot periods and ice ages. One scientist actually calculated it all worked out on solar activity, variations in the earth's orbit around the sun. After his death his theory was proved by geologists working in Bermuda studying the ancient fossilized coral beds. Analysis of ocean sediments prove more significant fluctuations in climate not so long ago, of course Earth Story was made before the eco-fascist took control of production at the 成人快手.

Just take a look at the credentials of some of the celebrities promoting the eco-fascist quasi-religion.



I can't help speculating that Zac Goldsmith virtually stole his alleged 300 acre farm in Devon in 2001 as a direct result of the damage done to the rural economy by the Road Fuel Tax Escalator. 7.5 million pound mansion then he preaches to the relative poor that they should turn down their central heating and freeze in winter. Likewise stop driving when he like perhaps others like Sting frequently use helicopters and private jets for their global joyriding.

Its almost as though the " Corporate Nazi " celebrities desire to introduce some new form of corporate Darwinism based on financial apartheid. Only the super rich will be able to afford to " breed " regardless of their ultimate intelligence of physical fitness. They can rely on a pool of virtual wage slaves, their slavery enshrined in carbon taxes.

Its just a pity that distinguished journalists with humble roots like Jeremy Paxman don't have the moral courage to challenge the Corporate Nazi propaganda on Climate Change, Perhaps years years on telephone number remuneration have destroyed any moral compass they may once have cherished.

#7 Brossen

By coincidence I watched Aubrey Manning's Earth Story early this morning, that one was on continental drift. I assume in the morning I might pick up the climate one on the morning.

I do believe CO2 has a PART to play. But if a load of lawyers and people with qualifications in art history and political philosophy believe they can 'save a planet?' by getting a legally binding agreement on carbon trading.Well... Planets are a little bit more complex than that.

The best thing that can happen is no agreement is reached. Perhaps then we can have some proper solutions to the challenge.

Planets conform to ecological processes not political-economic. Therein lies the problem. The same people who bailed the bankers out and want us to increase consumption to fund it, now want us to pay some tax on the increasing emissions they created.

I Searched for g20 ecological etc and found this.

/blogs/newsnight/paulmason/2008/11/when_economic_graphs_go_bad.html

The author didn't give his proper name but he seems to have predicted all the chaos ahead of Copenhagen 12 months ago. Even it seems some of BYTs posts today.

/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/11/monday_30_november_2009.html

At this rate the author would even be claiming they could find their birthday without knowing anything about them or even know what was going to happen in Cumbria before the Environment Agency.

The second point being impossible as we pay the EA 拢800 million per year to deal with floods.

/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/11/thursday_17_november_2009.html

Interesting times.

#8 Detective Work

Have done some detective work re #8 using Google and found this. It is about population growth and the 2008 financial collapse. Really good article from America. Written by an engineer /architect



The comments were interesting, so followed one of them and ended up here. Apparently written by an engineer/ ecologist.



Seems the post on Paul Masons blog was missing a diagram. Which came from US site and the full post was on a UK site.

Although not directly related one of the eco-fascists ( that Joseph character ) were squaeling about this.





Lets look at the history of how we got here ?

Even though there were no tachgraphs at the time, the EU 8 hour driving hours ruined transport efficiency. Industry in central Scotland was decimated when the tachographs eventually came in, mostly due to Dumfries & Galloway police rigidly enforcing the 40 Mph HGV speed limit on the A74. Srathclyde had a spell at it also but could see the damage to the economy, didn't help rail freight either. Now there were lots of empty wagons in central Scotland who couldn't get home for a load the next day so spend the rest of your day loading one to take back. Stuff like spuds and whiskey, basically anything not in a particular rush and you could use traditional railway stock. The yard of the garage where I worked backed onto the Blackburn-Hellifield line so you couldn't miss what was going on. The trains just got shorter and shorter, Scotch wagons were also taking stuff back in the other direction. The final nail in the coffin was the APT and the need to take the catch points out of the WCML so all partially fitted trains were withdrawn.

The result was even more wagon's on the road and everyone had to buy new more powerful equipment, then they did it again in 1985, new 38 tonne weight limit when they should have gone straight to 44 tonne and allow a " full " 40 foot ISO container to be handled by road. The only problem is that much of the current road freight is low density stuff like Stobart's empty beer cans to Worcester and full cans back to Carlisle, which could make such traffic more " eco friendly " ( fuel efficient ) by road.

The new " B-Train " 83 foot double bendy artic could significantly reduce carbon emissions and like the operator said, actually reduce the number of wagons on our road. The B-Train principle is well proven safe in New Zealand and Aussie, at the moment UK operators are running less stable " wagon and drags " in order to increase volume. The point is that the weight pushes you through the wind so a heavier vehicle in total will consume less fuel for more goods moved. Like the haulier said, they were not intending to exceed the current 44 tonne max weight limit, such vehicles would also do less damage to the roads. The eco-fascists were attempting to portray that said project was going to increase the weight limit.

Perhaps the future is a network of road / rail container interchange depots, with regular trains running between the WCML / ECML extremes stopping off on route to interchange traffic. For instance if you had a consignment of goods ( container ) from the south west for destinations in the north east you would intersect the train at somewhere near Preston and deliver ( perhaps several drops ) to as far as Newcastle the next day. Reciprocal from the east coast route, arrange things to make the best use of both rail and road transport. For instance a road vehicle sent from Preston could collect goods to go by rail from a north east depot as part of a working day. It just needs clever organization, computers are not really up to it yet if rail ticketing software is anything to go by.

The obsession with 'health and safety' is a product of the 'compensation culture'. This, in turn, is a product of the introduction of 'no-win, no-fee' legal representation, which is partly a product of the desire to reduce the 'Legal Aid' bill and, supposedly, widen the public's access to the courts to seek redress for a company's failings. You cannot expect the state to enforce its own legislation. Obviously, this creates another 'industry' and allows the 'legal profession' cronies of all the main parties to become fabulously wealthy, at society's expense. 'No-win, no-fee' solicitors like to pray on the gullible and greedy, who don't have the intelligence to understand the wider implications of what they do. The rise in the 'Legal Aid' bill is, primarily, the product of the continued failings to streamline the increasingly-stretched and bureaucratic 'criminal justice' system e.g. the scrapping of the 拢400 million court computer system and the closure, perversely, of hundreds of magistrates' courts. Has this rise been stemmed and 'no win, no fee' deemed a success? I don't think Cameron pledged to do anything about the 'ambulance chasers'.

In my limited estimation, the only way to prevent the further suffocation of the British way of life, is to either, irrespective of ''elf 'n' safety' legislation, scrap the 'no-win, no-fee' system or completely overhaul the 'criminal justice' system - from police cell to prison. As Parliament is filled with former and practising solicitors - especially on the Tory benches - and the parties, no doubt, receive generous funding from the legal profession and fixing our courts system is a laughable proposition, neither of these will ever happen; so, say good-bye to common-sense, no matter what Cameron says. In fact, get out of the country, if you can.

If the desire to do something about the idiocy all around us is genuine, perhaps the 'fix' could include revamping the education system, where our children, it seems, are taught what to think and not how to think. People need to understand the consequences of their actions and take some responsibility for their lives, rather than crying foul and demanding compensation.

Health & Safety is a major nightmare for our parish council when it comes to maintaining the children's play equipment on our village playing field. The field was left to the " villagers " by a wealthy spinster who was killed during a bombing raid on our village during the war and is not local authority controlled. The playing field officially opened in 1953 on the Queen's coronation and the equipment comprised of a " swing boat ", two small kiddies swings and a group of six older children's swings varying in height from one end to the other. We also had a 15 foot high slide which the kids would grease with candles to make it faster, but the swing boat was the most popular. The older kids would get it bouncing off its stops, eventually one of the radius arms snapped and was replaced, however it was decided to close it as " too dangerous " in the late 1970s after one of the arms broke again. Likewise the slide, plywood was put on the sides at the top to stop kids climbing out and falling. However in the 1980s the safety fascists closed closed it down to be replaced by a boring steel tube climbing frame. The swing boat was replaced by a small tame slide although we did get a roundabout at the same time.

Now ROSPA are alleging that the main frame for the group of six swings is potentially unsafe, they have already been reduced to four. Its quite simple to test the integrity of the steel tubing at vital points by whacking it with a hammer, but ROSPA insist we get a chartered engineer from the manufacturers to inspect them. It would appear that the whole focus of ROSPA is to force playground operators to install new equipment, like all H&S legislation its designed to promote false economic growth, in all probability the swings could last another 50 years with maintenance. The price of new play equipment is also inflated by various government grants available. Perhaps the whole object of the safety fascists exercise is to eventually steal the playing fields from the villagers.

#11 stsc #12 Brossen

Such insights.

The Legal Aid bill is being inflated by serious criminal offences between solicitors and the police. But who should investigate or represent, both of them. Ho hum. The 'criminal justice industry'. Solicitors and police officers forge custody and arrest records just to get the kick back from the money available. Innocent people are put in prison who have never committed an offence, never been arrested, never been charged, never had independent legal representation or a fair and independent trial. Just for the money the fraud from the legal aid fund can generate.

Having worked as a ground worker for 10 years and as a GF run the largest civil engineering project in Europe I do know a little about concreting etc.

When I see what community groups are charged for skateboard parks from 'approved' contractors, that they have to go through, then see what they have got for their money, I shake my head at the injustice.

Rip off Britain

#11

Yes. It seems so simple.
- Teach everyone (adults are the procreators of this problem) to be 'risk aware rather than risk averse.
- Endow them with a sense of responsibility
- Point out that ALL actions have consequences
- de register all the no win no fee agencies
- ban all adverts that commence "Have you had an accident..........?"
- establish a clear definition of 'accident'
(an unplanned and unfortunate event that results in damage, injury, or upset of some kind) as opposed to negligence.
- Uphold the use of the word 'responsibility' as opposed to 'blame'.

Insurance has it's place (extreme sports (equestrian/angling/motor sports/sky diving etc) as does a special fund that can compensate injured parties when NO blame can or should be attached. e.g. someone reacting to anaesthetic with no previous indicators; a handbrake cable snapping on a well maintained vehicle.....

The latter could/should be contributed to by industries most likely to be caught in this nomans land.

The money saved by NOT resorting to law could also be added.

ACCIDENTS sometimes happen

Looks as though we're running scared of Islam

does anyone know the name of the chap or his book that was interviewed on health and safety...thanks

With all our health and safety legislation do you think that's why brits have more accidents abroad? We always seem to be in some scrape or other.

I've noticed France pretty much ignores it, when I've stood on top of ancient ruins there's no barrier or warning, just a big drop!

And yes I think it's all happened since the compensation culture came in from america.

#16 bink Frank Furedi teaches at Kent Uni. "Culture of Fear" is one of many.

#17
'....why brits have more accidents abroad? '

No Lizzy. That's the beer goggles!!!!!

Best interview of the night was Jeremy with Sting :o)
As pointed out, Sting is nothing more than a hypocrite - if he was SO concerned about his carbon cost, then why have so many homes in so many continents......the phrase "do as I say and not as I do" springs to mind. It's blatently obvious that the rainforest thing came up because someone has a new album out. Interesting to note that Sting wouldn't use his own money to buy certain parts of land to preserve it, but wants other people to pay for it. PATHETIC.


Only on Health & Safety do we have Jeremy's epic line "this is now so far in the realms of surrealism, I am now quite at a loss as to where we should go next." Ha ha ha - that just about sums up current Health & Safety :p

Brilliant ;o)

#19 BYT That's the beer goggles!!!!!

Ha,ha very true Brighty!

I thought Sting dealt better with being harangued than some politicans do. And auntie is a hypocrite just like Sting. What with Wednesday's show being from Washington with Gavin.

mistress76UK @ 20: A little disingenuous of you regards Sting there me thinks.

Sting may have looked like a hobo in New York (my observation, not yours) but I think his long term involvement in keeping the rain forests of the Amazon on the map and its peoples - literally - is rather admirable. Paxman mentioned the hypocrisy; i.e that Sting goes gavalanting all around the world with the aid of jets, adding to the pollution. Its an often used and very tired standard issue charge to make these days, but really...how else do you get from one part of the planet to the other? wormhole!
Sting may have looked shagged (that's 'tired' Mr mod) and shaggy but was wide awake enough and quick enough to remind Mr Paxo, that he and his fellow jurnos was guilty of that also. And like Sting mentioned, getting a message across to the media needs a well known head/celebrity if its gonna get any decent coverage. As long as Sting don't go all 'Al gorleone' on us (head of that man-made-global-warming-crime-syndicate racket) we'll allow him to continue saving the rain forests and such like.

Steve Smith: I always enjoy his reports. Does he get to choose the music?...I've noticed its either good jazz, good blues or good pop.
As for his health and safety ditty. I read the Daily Mail religiously so Camerons on to a winner with wanting to topple the ladder of health and safety madness into the street...hopefully not breaking the neck of some young child though... wouldn't want that...what was little Tommy doing up the ladder without a certificate anyway?!

#23
ducking cookie
are you in charge?
i've been at pains to find out who is and now i know
please could you enlighten us as to the identity of Tommy?
how often are you, yourself, perched on a ladder and what is it made of - a combination of dead human bodies and deluded dreams perhaps?

I should imagine Barack Obama's decision to send more troups to Afghanistan pains him no end knowing full well that there are bound to be numerous young men and women sent back to their respective countries in coffins rather than alive but I do think that he and his team have taken the right decision. It is just hoped that President Karzai will cooperate with NATO in their promised attempts to stabilise his country, Pakistan and that of the whole region.

I should also imagine that it would be most important to start working ASAP on the construction of infrastructure in Afghanistan for the population to be convinced that one of the reasons the troups are there is to help them have the possiblity of a more peaceful and normal life rather than just basking in the glory of this or that victory over the deadly extremists.

Madam Mim

Madam Mim

Re: #25

I could have sworn that I'd signed the above post only once. Why on earth would I sign anything twice? It has happened previously, so I shall be extra vigilant to make sure that everything is signed just once, even leaving a note under P.S. that that's the case.

Re: Rules and Regulations, including those of Safety

In some ways David Cameron is right that there are far too many of them as 'invented' by the Nanny State. Too many with some too absurd for words.

I frequently break some of them but shall not mention which ones precisely not draw attention to the specific times when I do break them.

I could mention one attempt by the 'Nanny State' trying to 'keep me safe', which was me having been whizzed off to a psychiatric unit with the plans of rendering me drugged up to my ears, especially via injections. Failed attempt, obviously. There's no need for me, I don't think, to produce any proofs, is there?

But with regard to kids in particular, I feel that specific rules & regulations should be in place, or if not rules & regulations in some cases, then warnings be they in notes displayed in dangerous places or in written form either by post or via schools. Some parents can be unbelievably reckless in the way they bring up or look after their children.

Madam Mim
signed only once

Perhaps the workforce in general would take more notice of Health & Safety regulations if many were not faced with the compulsion to wear hard hats in areas where they were completely counter productive. I can quote one example of where entering quarry wagon drivers were forced to wear hard hats inside their cabs and in any case outside blasting times if anything big enough to injure you falls and hits you on the head it will kill you regardless of whether you are wearing a hard hat or not as the case may be.

Perhaps the emphasis should be more focused on not dropping stuff from a great height, 25 years ago people would walk around without hard hats where massive weights were being craned around with no injuries whatsoever.

Perhaps one perhaps unintended consequence of hard hat rules is the decimation of male hairdressers. Many people forced to wear hard hats shave their head to stop the stupid thing falling off, or at least moving and interrupting their vital concentration on the potentially dangerous job in hand.

continuation of #27

I have just tried to check the guy's name but the Real Player wouldn't open Newsnight for me or anything else as a matter of fact apart from its own front page.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is that if I had been in the studio when the guy in a black vest told Jeremy that children should be exposed to all kinds of dangers, I would have punched him straight in the face but don't blame Jeremy for not doing anything like that, the circumstances not permitting, obviously.

#27 & #29 further continuation

Not that I'm for keeping kids locked up indoors. They need to have a degree of freedom of movement but should be taught first the basic safety precautions first.

Until the age of about 7/8 I largely grew up outside in the playground venturing occasionally further afield, although I must say I was not allowed to do so. One night I was upset with my mother about something silly and tried to cross the road with the result of having been hit by a car and thrown up in the air. I suppose I'm lucky I'm still alive.

And then I had another accident when living with my grandparents, a little older, when a riding my bike on the road while eating a Polish donught. Again, I was told to be careful when cycling and that day my grandma didn't want me to buy that donught. A policeman brought me home, my grandma was all upset and I felt so ashamed I'd invented my own punishment for myself by withdrawing from all communication with other kids. Well, that passed, but it just goes to show that I'm lucky to be alive with safety lessons learned the hard way well in my early childhood.

#7 Brossen

Watched Earth Story climate change. If politicians think they can manipulate even that simplified presentation by some legally binding agreement on cap and trade, all the best to them.

In the News

Does this want to make you save 拢28 a year, to me it is the extortionate price of fuel that makes me economise!

Will this control what we can read? Will personal blogs now really take off for current affairs? Where will they get their source from?

Creeping fundamentalist Islam?

Anybody listen the interview with Justin Webb this morning? With the egg thrower leader who yelled at Warsi? He knew he was right, why don't we? Although as we invaded two muslim countries one begins to see his reasoning. For only 14 million muslims in europe out of 600 million the muslims have an awful lot to say.

Money talks

Isn't it funny how Mr Darling can protect the city but any other legislation that affects us prols has got to be enforced rigorously?

#30 update

the moral to the story

I wouldn't recommend my type of experiences to any parents and their kids. They may not be so lucky as myself, as I saw when working for the Neurosurgeons at Atkinson Morley's with quite a few kids brought to the unit either virtually dead and dying or damaged for life.

@ Ecolizzy # 32 - thanks for the articles - missed Justin Webb this morning, but will look for it on 成人快手i Player.

According to The Times' Dr. Tej Hargey,


"minarets are not an essential part of Islam," and the article goes on to state:
"Minarets remain emblematic of mosques in the Muslim heartlands but there is no theological reason why houses of worship in the West have to incorporate such towers. Their original purpose was to relay the prayer call with the unamplified voice. Today this is done by modern technology, so minarets are not integral to contemporary mosque design. "

Something to mull over.....

@ Brosnen99 #35 - thanks for the article - some common sense at last :o)

NuLabours Electoral Reform

My opinion.

Now the Lisbon Treaty is enacted , any new act of Parliament on a new system of General Election's will be judged unlawful by the ECJ (European Court of Justice) if it discriminates against non British Citizens who are EU Citizens and who are within the UK at the time.

I base this conjecture on the Charter of Fundamental Human Rights , which says -

鈥滱rticle 21
Non-discrimination
1.Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.
2. Within the scope of application of the Treaty establishing the European Community and of the Treaty on European Union, and without prejudice to the special provisions of those Treaties, any discrimination on grounds of nationality shall be prohibited.

So a new General Election law could not discriminate against any EU Citizen from taking part in any future UK general election vote and maybe even referendums (depending on the ECJ interpretation of this).

This will not be decided by our courts or by our laws, it will be decided by the ECJ based on EU Treaty Laws (now including Lisbon).

Luckily no Parliament can bind it successors timetable or it's deeds, to quote Blackstone "acts of parliament derogatory from the power of subsequent parliaments bind not.". So there may well be time enough for any new government do something to protect the British peoples right of self determination.

To end on a Churchill quote -
鈥淭here are a terrible lot of lies going about the world, and the worst of it is that half of them are true. 鈥�

Surging Slowly

i liked obama saying the only nation he wants to build is the usa. pity our politicians don't take that view. after all the uk is hardly a model of justice or democracy?

what is nation building anyway? i can find no textbooks on it. i believe it is a subject that has no science?

why didn't NN use Mark Mardell in the USA rather than send gavin out there? seems a waste of a budget?

climate pop

politicians make bad pop songs and pop singers make bad politics.
they strike me as people who have forgotten what its like to live in the real world?


how many health and safety people does it take to change a lightbulb?
Five. One to change the bulb the others to fill out the forms.

i thought most HS came from europe?
and that the main idea is to make the bar so high only multinationals can enter a new market? [ie they crush the competition]. e.g the eu requires firms bringing in new products to take a HS test that can cost from 100k to 1 million per product. which is significant bar to entry.

what about the wicked blame claim laws that paralyse social life. that is the main culprit. that dragon that needs to be slain [or is that against the basic rights of dragons?]

obama is only continuing the same policy from the previous neo conservative administration, though he provides a different narrative to create a different perception - though the end game is the same.

it has been obamas strategy for the last 3 years. nothing has changed from the figures of last year, the number of troops have increased by 50 000 - that was always the intention for this year - just as the uk was supposed to - and has - increased their numbers by 2000 .

by all accounts even by best estimates the number of trained afghans - those who supposedly account for the estimated 90 000 trained over the last 8 years barely a third are barely competent and yet we are going to increase recruitment to some 5000 per month.

but this is about securing afghansitan to have access to the $15 trillion worth of gas from turkmenistan and caspian region. its also about iran and pakistan - a narrative has already been promoted for our pretext to enter paksitan and take control of its nuclear assets and similarly iran . we are there to create the regional superpower nexus of israel-india .

the USA is in the process of continuing its first phase of major military infrastructure building which is to be completed by 2013 - clearly neither we nor the usa are going to leave afghanistan in a hurry - by all accounts the 30 to 40 year war is an underestimate of our imperialistic intent. there will not be a real draw down in the near future.

the strategy is to by-pass karzai at all levels and rule from washington, 'we' will maintain control of major assets and areas of major interest and the rest of afghanistan will be given to regional warlords as their fiefdoms with some central 'funding' to keep them on side whilst they subjugate the population on our behalf. it is on the road to 'balkanisation' of the region.

of course we will be aided by a significant indian contingency (it has been mooted that some 100 000 might be deployed alongside the current indian army and raw agents ) and that there is evidence of our pro active efforts to destabilise pakistan and iran.

since this is not actually in the main about so called islamists, but our economic and strategic needs as a near bankrupt economy wanting to maintain our supply of cheap energy (since ours is near depletion) and the 'stealing' of assets and resources - shouldnt these be the issues being discussed?

It's nice & clear now who's declared themselves on the side of the slowly surging essential doggie or two.

Better stick with him now, for better for worse. I'm sure he's got it in him to keep you both happy and well satisfied. After all, you'll be getting at least 2 in 1.

Good luck, girls

mim

Just hearing about this on the radio



Oh good grief rickenbacker. (doh)

:p looks like The Guardian also agrees that Sting is a hypocrite:

#39 Wendymann, if your post is correct, and I wouldn't argue with it, war is fought in very insidious ways nowadays, is it not?!

I do agree we are only there for the energy we require/need.

#41 BYT

Oh good grief rickenbacker

Rickenbacker: the make of bass played by Roger Waters in Pink Floyd

# 44
No prizes for guessing who was at Knebworth, May 1975!

BUT
My recollection of the phrase was from (I think) a Wranglers ad from the early 80's. Some dawk sent off to print some t shirts and get's it upside down. Think the phrase 'Because Mr Wrangler Says so' also features.

# 45 BYT

Yes you may be correct now you have jogged my memory. What trivial you keep. Brilliant.

Waters' bass was a stereo, the pick up also covering the strings. The bass gave him that hard attack and edge, with treble. As opposed to a Fender Precision which would give a deeper warmer fuller sound for heavy rock, blues and reggae.

Stereo pick up from 6.15

Hee,hee beat you both BYT and Roger!



25th February 1969 - 'Marlowe Theatre', Canterbury, Kent



A rare programme for the 1971 Crystal Palace concert also figures, as does an extremely rare 1969 poster for their February show at the Marlowe Theatre, Canterbury, Kent. : ) ; )

#47 Ecolizzy

No No No. In the very very early 80's , a friend, gave me a bass guitar and told me to play some notes on it. He jammed some Gilmour riffs over it. We formed a band doing mostlty Pink Floyd covers. We didn't get anywhere.

Anyway we were part of the Crewe music scene. A few years later we were in a pub in Crewe the Bruswick. The public phone rang and it was from Australia. Some band had heard their was a good guitarist in crewe and they wanted to move to England and form a Pink Floyd tribute band.

The guitarist was in the pub and he didn't want to play with them. This Australian band were putting the money in the phone in Australia and told us they had booked one way tickets to England and where coming here to put a PF tribute band together and needed a gutarist.

This is 10.30 on a Friday night in a packed Crewe pub talking on a public phone to Australia. We had a 30 second meeting and decided that we knew a guitarist who could play all Gimours parts. So we told this band from Australia to get on the plane and we would fix them up with a guitar player. This is so surreal we must have been drunk.

Just think abiut it. We are all out getting hammered, the phone rings one of us picks it up for a laugh and it is a band in Australia asking if we can find them a gutarist to form a PF tribute band.

So we at 10.30 in a pub on a Friday night tell some people we don't know in Australia to get on a plane and we will find them a guitarist. We give them directions to the pub (from australia) and arrange to meet them?!?!/. This in retrspect seems like pure insanity.

We find Chris' future brother in law and tell him some people from Austarlia who we do not know are coming to meet him to see if he wants to join a PF tribute band.

Bloody hell they do actually fly to Crewe from Australia and turn up. Fortunately we have taken this bizarre phone call seriously and got this lad who can play Floyd to meet them. This so surreal.

They get together and decide to call themselves The Australian Pink Floyd. And became the biggest Pink Floyd tribute band in the entire world!



What the?

Just get your head around this. There are some young musicians in Australia. They want to come to England. Someone has given them the phone number of a public phone in Crewe. They phone it, when it rings in a really packed choccy pub. The people standing near it are all bass players, guitarists and lighting engineers. All of which can play PF songs. They want a guitarist. So we at 10.30 on a Friday night tell them to get on a plane and fly to England and we'll get them a guitarist then put the phone down.

Meanwhile in Australia some guy turms round to his makes and says I've just talked to some guys in a pub in Crewe at 10.30 on a Friday night and they said get on a plane and we'll fix you up with a guitaist. So they get on a plane and turn up in crewe. Can you get a grasp of the situation. They had one phone number, we could have been anyone. We could have thought it was a hoax. We could have just made the whole thing up and said for a laugh get on a plane and fly to England. They actually turned up and we actually had a guitarist. If you go to the band members on the site it was damian Darlington we had in mind. When we told them to fly to England we hadn't even asked him.

Rock'n'roll

Celtic Lion

#45 and 47

Knebworth 1990