Thursday 3 December 2009 - the plan so far
Here is what we are lining up for tonight's programme, which Jon Sopel will be presenting:
Tonight we have the last film in our make do and mend series for which milliner Mary Jane Baxter travelled the length of the country to find out if the current vogue for make do and mend is more than a fad.
For accommodation and funds Mary Jane had to rely on her make do and mend skills, and the hospitality offered by you, the Newsnight audience.
As part of the trip we visited the V&A where staff are taking part in a lunchtime quilting club - we have an of what they are up to on our site now.
Tonight, you can see how Mary Jane got on and afterwards we will be talking fashion in the studio with high street trend picker Juliet Warkentin and social commentator Peter Yorke.
We are also looking at the RBS bonuses story.
More details later.
Comment number 1.
At 3rd Dec 2009, ecolizzy wrote:Uuummm what's so new about make do and mend? I've done that all my life, never wasted food, use it up in different ways. Can turn old clothes into new, and recycle any old fabric I can't use. Re-sew on buttons, patch clothes,the holes on knees and elbows, and I can even darn, and take the hem up on anything. Save all buttons and pieces of ribbon and odd pieces of fabric, waiting to make clothes for any future grandchildren or their teddies. Can just hear the howls of scorn and derision from my children! ; )
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Comment number 2.
At 3rd Dec 2009, Ron Taylor wrote:Can someone ask Jon Sopel not to be so excitable? I like his approach otherwise.
Shouldn't any studio link into the story about the 'sailors' who drifted into Iranian waters also include the word 'incompetent'?
What kind of 'sailors' sent off to compete in a race without up to date charts? None that I know of. Sir Walter Raleigh would have had shipped that crew over board.
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Comment number 3.
At 3rd Dec 2009, brightyangthing wrote:'..... Tonight we have the last film in our make do and mend series'
THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT
I was beginning to think I must have stumbled inadvertently onto the blog of the latest Phil & Fern or Trinny and Susannah shows. What next, Delia on Christmas, Top Gear Christmas toys for the boys, Greenery from your garden?
Nice to see,
'.... We are also looking at the RBS bonuses story.' as an afterthought
Not entirely sure where you get your 'feed' on what the average NewsNight viewer sees as of topical value.
Must be a slow news day. Surely some 'in the can' look at education, social services, health care, alzheimers, cancer......
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Comment number 4.
At 3rd Dec 2009, barriesingleton wrote:THE GREVILLE WIN GUIDE TO 'INTELLIGENT' SAILING (#2)
The pick-pocket ACCIDENTALLY bumps into the passer-by. The insurance fiddler gets YOU to tail-end HIS CAR. The kind of SAILOR who (with access to modern equipment) says 'the chart was not clear' strikes oddly. I make NO accusation, but was not one of their number designated a journalist? And was not Greville Wynne (60s spy) designated a 'British Businessman'? And was not Miliband D quick to tell the world how innocent it all was? ( I hope he never declares ME innocent.)
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Comment number 5.
At 3rd Dec 2009, ecolizzy wrote:Just read this....
Now is it any surprise that poverty has risen in Britain, I see it went up from 2004 quite markedly, now that wouldn't be because the eastern block joined the EU and we had massive immigration, now would it?!
Another problem the minimum wage, without this restricion wages would be at least around £7per hour, so people would earn more than they recieve on benefits. Mass immigration has forced and kept wages down. Otherwise there would be a shortage of workers and wages would have been forced up.
And do the Rowntree foundation also include all the new immigrants in their report, after all they come from some of the poorest areas in the world so would be poor anyway, so do they also make more poverty.
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Comment number 6.
At 3rd Dec 2009, brightyangthing wrote:Ron #
Jon Sopel. I too thought he had taken some lessons from the Kirsty Wark school of presenting - ie. Shouting makes you understood better.
Navigation.
Charts? Charts?
Computer based and Sat Nav at the very least. Sure I saw the Sat Nav beacon in pictures. Even I (female and 2nd to not even IN THE QUEUE when they handed out sense of direction) was allowed to navigate a hefty fancy yatch through rock strewn waters.
Fish not just in the sea perhaps!
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Comment number 7.
At 3rd Dec 2009, Roger Thomas wrote:Have found this article from Uganda. It is a little wordy but is very interesting and thought provoking and really does enter in to some sort of dialogue with what some have posted on this blog, Barrie and Ecolizzy especially.
Such a different perspective to what we get in our media, there really are some philosophers out there writing.
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Comment number 8.
At 3rd Dec 2009, barriesingleton wrote:"THE GOVERNMENT HAS PLEDGED TO ERADICATE CHILD POVERTY BY 2020
Will Brown be heavily fined when they don't?
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Comment number 9.
At 3rd Dec 2009, brossen99 wrote:Complain about this comment (Comment number 9)
Comment number 10.
At 3rd Dec 2009, mimpromptu wrote:#2 & #3
Brightyangthing & Ron Taylor
It's all topsy turvy these days, all in the hope of atracting attention
I'm hoping to watch some of the bits from last night's NN, especially having commented on Jon Sopel's niceness, etc, to be able to say something sensible about him apparently straining his vocal cords. I wonder whether he acted upon somebody's advice in order to show he is not a push over.
However, I'm hoping not to be too hard on him. I don't think he himself deserves it. But as to his advisers, well...
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Comment number 11.
At 3rd Dec 2009, brossen99 wrote:Complain about this comment (Comment number 11)
Comment number 12.
At 3rd Dec 2009, brightyangthing wrote:#7
Good link Roger. Will read properly later (family bereavement earlier in week has me a little out of synch and discombobulated) but this phrase flew at me..
'.....our planet must periodically cleanse itself of the dominant and destructive species at the top of the food chain.'
The word 'irritant' sprang to mind. Like the tiny stone in a shoe, dust in the eye, pollen in the nose, at the very least a thorough swooshing out (Tsunami?) may be required.
I think it sadly unlikely that the 'irritant' pieces of grit at the top of the current food chain have the capacity to become pearls. And if they did, doubtless some leader, generous with the spoils of his people will be convinced to scatter them broadly before swine.
Recently elsewhere I have offered, perhaps somewhat flippantly:
1) perhaps GOD should have rested a bit earlier and left out the 'intelligent' life bit.
2) Many a true word said on celluloid. Jeff Goldblum in one of the worst movies of all time (Jurassic park) - the oscar must go to Armageddon! "Just because we CAN, doesn't mean we SHOULD!" And since your link mentions T Rex clearly, not off topic.
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Comment number 13.
At 3rd Dec 2009, Mistress76uk wrote:I've just watched Jon Sopel's edition of Wednesday's Newsnight - and he was extremely good - both with his interview with Richard Holbrooke on the question of Afghanistan plus the soon-to-be charged for access to articles on the web with Sekoff & Perry. It's always great to have Jon on Newsnight :o)
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Comment number 14.
At 3rd Dec 2009, barriesingleton wrote:EVOLUTION BY NATURAL SELECTION SELECTS FOR CLEVERNESS NOT WISDOM (#7link)
"The extinction of humans will allow for the emergence and evolution of a more moral, holistic, spiritual and non-carnivorous and non-cannibalistic new species, to rise to the top of the food chain."
I have only been able to come up with one solution. If 'New HomSap' (post wipe-out) evolves REDESIGNED such that we 'do' all the traumas: birth, helplessness, puberty - and then PUPATE, to become 'caterpillar soup', from which to build viable adults, replete with wisdom, Earth's problems would be solved. The trouble is that intermediate stage. Anyone know how that gets selected for?
Must fly.
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Comment number 15.
At 3rd Dec 2009, ecolizzy wrote:#7 Thank you for that excellent link Roger, a lot of food for thought! How on earth did you find it?! But he thinks you should stop worrying about saving us humans from imminent doom, he feels we should just allow nature to run it's course! Although I wonder if the world would get over run with herbivors, but then I suppose their time would come, and they would then become extinct. Probably us humans back in some form eating them! ; )
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Comment number 16.
At 3rd Dec 2009, barriesingleton wrote:REPEAT PERFORMANCE (9 link)
Copenhagen is simply Mornington Crescent in Globopoly terms.
IT'S A GAME.
When the utterly unqualified players have had their fill of playing (with breaks for good food and fancy beds - not all their designated ones) they put away they fly back home. One thing is certain, Brown will have saved the world - again.
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Comment number 17.
At 3rd Dec 2009, jauntycyclist wrote:following on from the quilting club i understand tomorrow on NN delia will be on to teach us how to bake mince pies, titchmarsh will tell us what to do will autumn leaves and someone from childrens tv will be showing us how to make an advent calender?
even with their focus identified in title 'Newsnight' seem to have forgotten what they are supposed to be doing?
and i thought eco 'Mr Bean' man was the one off joke act.
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Comment number 18.
At 3rd Dec 2009, brightyangthing wrote:DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES, DO YOU WANT TO FALL ASLEEP.....
#14
Hey
What if................ there is an ultimately very clever counter effect of all of the dubious science we are being fed, deliberate or accidental.
What if enough people the world over are scared witless by the prospect of Armageddon in their or their children's lifetime, they all loss the will or ability to reproduce. Some say (Voice of Clarkson) that is already happening through western lifestyle choices.
What if the population not only slows down but goes into a spiralling decline.
How would you (and who would) manage the situation to extract only the purest basic human (newborns?) and begin the work of the Original Jedi. The New Hope.
Recalls to mind one of the scariest films I ever remember (perhaps it was my age at the time) The Omega Man. Recently remade in original title of I am Legend (not yet seen)
Or should we just settle for a blue planet, void of himan interference/irritation, pure and magical when viewed 'from a distance'?
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Comment number 19.
At 3rd Dec 2009, brightyangthing wrote:#17
Oi, you JC (Scary acronym)
COPYCAT!
See #3
I'll forgive you, on account of #16,18 and 19 previously.
We are NOT alone!
(thumbs up)
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Comment number 20.
At 3rd Dec 2009, barriesingleton wrote:THEY'RE NOT LISTENING STILL (#17)
Try cutting your ear off Jaunty - no both - then pluck out your eyes with sugar tongs. (Whoops Apocalyps)
'That out to do it'. (Ghost Busters)
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Comment number 21.
At 3rd Dec 2009, wappaho wrote:Hi, I found one for Liz and Celtic:
Make do and Mend - I was brought up by parents who went through the war in families of modest means and so I ate meals made from leftovers all my childhood. FACT - meals made from leftovers are the most delicious meals, because the food flavours have 'developed'. I met a woman once who told me that her leftover special, a thick soup, was called Toadistroni to appeal to the kids, I love the name!
RBS bonuses - I tried out my new theory on the lady on the till in the local supermarket and she agreed. If banks can only attract the best personnel by paying large bonuses, then in order to render our hospitals safe from, latterly MRSA and currently, c.diff (clostridium difficile - a food poisoning organism), should we be offering attractive bonuses to hospital cleaners? I'm sure plastic aprons are simply flicking bugs all over the place, I mean cloth is atleast absorbant. Whereas, we just need a bit more elbow grease - I believe in the old days, elbow grease was a happy companion of make-do-and-mend?
I wrote an article about the abuse of food safety theory and it was called Toadistroni and the Blue Glove, never published it, too controversial. In the food industry, staff treat 'the blue glove' as if it is a magical protection from all germs. However, it is just as easy to x-contaminate with a blue glove as it is with your hands.
I knew a woman who would love to have HACCP-ed the NHS, it never happened and I suspect that may have been because of the cost of documentation. But the basic idea of CCPs can be seen in the '5 steps to handwashing' signs on hospital walls.
Conspiracy thought for the day - 'follow the money' - what possible reason could encourage the UK public to accept privatisation of the NHS? Hygiene so bad that people die from infections unrelated to the reason they go into hospital, maybe?
ciao, Wapp
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Comment number 22.
At 3rd Dec 2009, mimpromptu wrote:#10 continuation of
Jon Sopel's performance was a little more excitable than usual but I didn't feel he was shouting as such and anyway, the issue that was being tackled didn't require him to be too challenging.
It was good to hear quite detailed explanation and analysis of how Obama and the Americans are hoping to proceed in Afghanistan. I thought the whole thing was rather well done.
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Comment number 23.
At 3rd Dec 2009, Roger Thomas wrote:#12 BYT
This Armageddon?
/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2008/12/thursday_4_december_2008.html
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Comment number 24.
At 3rd Dec 2009, Harry Webb wrote:The true definition of the French term "chic" originally referred to an ability to make a variety of fashion statements from a very limited wardrobe. Unfortunately, within the anglophone world it has been mis-translated to actually mean a la mode and, become a byword for consumerism. Which has led to the squandering of endless billions on the latest thing and, had an uncalculated and, probably incalculably large environmental impact. Never mind the impact of cosmetics. Most of which actually end up in the bin!
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Comment number 25.
At 3rd Dec 2009, Roger Thomas wrote:#12 BYT
Or this Armageddon?
/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/11/monday_9_november_2009.html
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Comment number 26.
At 3rd Dec 2009, Roger Thomas wrote:#20 THEY'RE NOT LISTENING STILL
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Comment number 27.
At 3rd Dec 2009, Roger Thomas wrote:#24 who is U1988656?
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Comment number 28.
At 3rd Dec 2009, Roger Thomas wrote:So Gordon Brown on the 9th November says we must reach an agreement at Copenhagen as there is no plan B.
(If you're unsure who he is he considered his specialist subject economics and said there will be no boom and bust.)
But the head of climate change at NASA says there should be no agreement at Copenhagen as it is flawed.
(NASA put a man on the moon and came up with the phrase "it is rocket science"
Who do we believe?
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Comment number 29.
At 3rd Dec 2009, jauntycyclist wrote:19
you're right.
i didn't read that one.
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