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pretty pointless these 6 months? and pretty cynical. gordon is just hoping the economy will be marginally better. a drowning man clutches are straws?

so at a time when the uk needs energy and direction we will now have an unnecessary 6 months of drift and dither. thanks gordon.

#5
Mistress76uk

How awfully disappointing. You seem to have changed in the last few months. You like everything they show on NN and now you're dismissing Barack Obama outright without even giving us the benefit of your opinion why you think that.

However, should you have interesting news about JP, they are always welcome.

mim

#8

Brightyangthing

Before anything else I'd like to forward a new ditty which goes as follows:

Give me your moral fibre and I will knit you a ditty
Give me your crap and I will turn you to pity

Give me your moral fibre and I shall twirl for you and glide
Give me your crap and I shall turn you into a pitiful pie

Now, first of all, I would like to say that I was delighted to see in tonight's Evening Standard a phot of of Her Majesty the Queen smiling and looking relaxed in the Royal Chair in the House of Lords! but now am looking forward to Newsnight's analysis and discussions about the content of the speech itself.

I'm pleased that your day is going well, Brightyangthing.

I did watch UC last night but I'm afraid I think I only got one answer right as I'm not all that quick on recall of specific knowledge and anyway I don't always concentrate enough on the questions themselves but simply love absorbing the atmosphere in the studio. Quite often I'm also rather tired after intense engagements of my daily life. Whatever, the answer that I was quick to come up with was to the question about who made 'will' as one of their main philosophical issues. I knew it was Schopenhauer and not Nietzsche.

That's it for the time being but I may get back to you later.

mim

QUEENS'S SPEECH

"My Lords and members of the House of Commons.

My Government’s overriding priority is to ensure sustained growth to deliver a fair and prosperous economy for families and businesses..."


The Government's overriding priority is..the economy. This makes no logical sense. The priority should be the people and the environment that sustains them. The economy should only be a tool, not a priority.

Life should be the priority not some abstract concept.

Celtic Lion

To the Newsnight Team

Apart from looking forward to what you will have prepared for us regarding the Queen's Speech, I'm also looking forward to the item on North Korea and what 'lovely' stories those who have escaped the regime will tell us. One thing is certain, good job that Stalin is dead although there remains a snag of a nutcase trying to revive him from his grave spreading misery and vileness wherever he appears. And on top of that he pretends that he is some kind of sex god. No fooling me, I'm afraid.

mim

blood antiques trade from afghanistan.



the vid shows the link between stolen art and terrorism. Atta who flew into one of the towers financed himself through stolen afghan art.

we learn belgium is a centre for stolen art trade because there are no laws against it. should the eu presidency go to someone who thinks this trade is ok?

Brightyangthing

As I mentioned in the morning, I now have received the album with Victoria de los Angeles singing 'Bachianas Brasileiras No 5' which also contains other parts of the composition with Heitor Villa-Lobos himself as the conductor. It is magnificent!

I have also downloaded two other versions of No 5, i.e. those sung by Renee Fleming and Denise Leigh. All are great. For me, Renee Fleming's is probably the loudest one, for lack at the moment of the right expression, and Denise Leigh's the most melancholic one. But Victoria's version seems to me the most rounded and most dramatic one with the final note, barely audible /is it a high C?/ - one of the most haunting tones I've ever heard. No wonder Heitor Villa-Lobos chose her to sing the aria under his conductorship!

Thank you so much for recommending it to me.

mim

Newsnight Team

I don't know whether you realise that by speaking out /against people like Stalin, for example/ I'm inconveniencing myself somewhat but feel I have no choice but speak out. So that the world knows. The more people know the better.

I appreciate that there may be reasons why others may not be able to do as I do, openly and directly, but I shall carry on in a similar vein day after day, whatever the inconvenience, until I win. As simple as that.

mim

6 JC - are Journeyman bona fide?

Another belgian delicacy:
'Apparently Antwerp is famous for chocolate hands. That's right - hands. It's a symbol of friendship and kind of a motto for the city, so we now own a box of chocolate hands. It looks weird, but we're sure the chocolate is still tasty.'

or is it?

6 - another Belgian hobby:



makes fox-hunting look like a garden party?

6 - the censored post was about belgian chocolate hands - do you know these?

@ Mim #2 - Well I happen to like what I see on Newsnight - and tonight was no exception! Loved Jeremy's debate with Cable et al and my favourite trio on the couch (Finkelstein/Ryman/Grender) with Jeremy too. All three agreed Gordon B must go........
Also loved Katty Kay's report on Sarah Palin's new book too.

I hadn't realised I was supposed to give a rant on why I don't like Obama, but for you, here it is:

(1) He's an incredibly "well marketed creation" - Jon Pilger (Source:
(2) He failed to close down Guantanamo Bay
(3) He fails to highlight the importance human rights in China
(4) He states that Tibet is part of China (if you Google/look back in history, you will find that China invaded Tibet and claimed it as its own- by force)
(5) He is wrong on Israeli policy - who is he to dictate to another country what they can and cannot do
(6) He is wrong about Afghanistan
(7) The highest deficits in US history
(8)Record breaking foreclosures in the US
(9) 5 days after the Fort Hood massacare, Obama calls it "a mystery" (source:

I could go on and on, but I have to sleep :p

Oh and here's an interesting article on Jeremy & UC

Sweet dreams xxxxxxx

GUILTY TILL PROVED DEAD

The American 'government' intends to try 'those who dun it' (9/11) UNTIL THEY ARE FOUND GUILTY. This was, effectively, the reply to the question: "what if you can't convict?" I suppose, with the precursor of Guantanamo, we should expect nothing less.

Obama is clearly an ambitious tyrant, before he is a lawyer with any respect for Justice.

#12 Mistress76uk

I appreciate your honest answer and here's my response:

1. This is not your own view so I'm afraid - dismissed
2. Obama may have failed to close Guantanamo Bay completely but he is close to doing so, with the recent case of what looks the most dangerous detainee having been referred to face Court in New York. I understand he originally acted on recommendations of a lawyer who has now been dismissed.
3. He is the first politician ever, I think, who started off his visit to China with criticism of human rights abuse when he spoke to students and to my surprise he even told the Chinese leaders straight in the face what he thought of it, although admittedly in his own diplomatic way.
4. From what I remember Dalai Lama said a few months ago that in principle he didn't mind Tibet being attached to China as long as its autonomy was prserved and respected. That could be compared to let's say Scotland or Wales who have their own parliaments, some independent laws and their own police.
5. I haven't heard him or have I seen any evidence of him 'dictating' anything to Israel but rather speaking out loud what he thinks Israel should or could do for the sake of its own safety and security. By being obstinate about building more and more settlements, the Israeli creates enemies in probably the whole of the Arab world. Obama is the first American President in recent times to have actually dared to speak as he thinks with regard to this issue while from what I remember the others were always giving in to the Israeli lobbyist because of the dosh and votes.
6. It was the Bushes who sent their soldiers to Afghanistan first not Obama. From what I gather he's been working very hard on finding the right balance of how the States and consequently NATO should proceed from now on. Whatever the decision, there is likely to be human loss, but in view of the danger of the Al Qaida is posing not only in Afghanistan but also in the world, I'm afraid I would agree with continuation of NATO's presence there as long as try their best to cocoperate with peace loving Afghanistanis which would hopefully eventually take root and become more of a norm.
7. The original economic crisis happened under G W Bush and it looks like the American is now beginning to recover but I'm not an economist so can't give you a more profound answer to this problem.
8. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Could you please explain it to me while up and about?
9. The mad and dangerous psychiatrist was not originally appointed by Obama's administration so I do not see how you can criticise the American President of being honest about the mystery surrounding the mad psychiatrists murderous shooting.

Thank you for the article about Jeremy meeting his match. I have seen it already but think there may be a hidden meaning to it but I shall leave my contemplation on this issue to myself for the time being.

I don't do dreaming as much as contemplating pleasant things that have been happening to me hoping for more although as you may have gathered I meet with strong opposition, vile and abusive, against these, at least for the time being but shall not go into any more details about it now.

mim

a few more points, Mistress76uk

I suspect the match you're talking about is not in fact a male but a female, in a roundabout and positive kind of way.

Glad to see that you agree with me about Gordon Brown but I am not at all sure that I would trust David Milliband more than Brown. As far as I am concerned, the best, and in my view the only solution now, is to call a general election ASAP.

Why do you only mention Cable and not the other two politicians? At the moment I can't remember the name of the Labour MP who you should have mentioned as well as Sir George Young.

Can't really comment on Katty Kay's report as I missed it preparing my dessert which was Mango and Coconut ice cream with a stream of passion fruit sauce topped up with luxury mixed fruit, blueberries and dessicated coconut flavoured further by a few drops of Jamaican rum. Absolutely delicious. Can't have enough of it.

mim

Mistress76uk

To be fair and show that I do try to keep a balanced way of looking at things, I've just remembered the name of the Labour politician I'm speaking about in the post above. His name is Ben Bradshaw. What I didn't understand was why he kept imitating Jeremy sticking his left index out and so on and so forth. As if this kind of behaviour is going to help anybody. Why not be oneself? And really, with Jeremy sitting next to him, the whole thing was yet another manifestation that Labour have been engaging in.

I wasn't going to talk about it but even on ice yesterday they played their stupid, pathetic and primitive game with 'fencing off' the right side of the rink, etc. I think that's why Gordon was grinning and was so full of himself. I didn't take any notice anyway and skated on the fenced off part, including doing a sit spin, although the best one came later in the afternoon. Oh, it did feel good sitting right down on my right foot in the right blade position! Apparently it's one of my best and impressive technical things that I'm able to do on ice.

mim

Brightyangthing

It's important to have at least a few rituals in one's life, don't you think? I've just composed a ditty about some of my rituals, the most important in fact:

Rituals

There are certain rituals that I like to follow
Rather than endless misery and chaos constantly 'swallow'
'Superimposed' by nutters 'dreaming' of becoming grand
On the back of my twirling and my body's land.

One of the rituals is to do with pearls
Which I have followed for one and a half years
Ever since in the Globe a card I did find
Which I then sent off to a person kind.

Another is to do with my watch that's Swatch
Reminding me of another rather famous watch
And that's why I twirl to Queen's playing watch.

Have a good day, Brightyangthing

I was hoping to go to Queen's in the morning but I think I'll catch on sleep first so that I feel fresh and relaxed later on.

mim

THE CONSTERNATION OF PHILOSOPHY

The Today Program featured the sugary deviousness of Ms Harpy Harriden, followed by an (unconnected!) aspiration to the teaching of philosophical thought, in schools.

The Devils who, serially, wreck our lives, being a mix of fool and knave, WILL NOT ALLOW THIS TO ADVANCE. Blair, instinctively knew a reasoning population would scupper Westminster chicanery, so he gave us 'Education X 3' to keep us dumb. What a prospect for Balls, when a ten year old can 'think out' his ineptitude.

Universal suffrage is the enemy of self-serving politics WHEN THE VOTERS UNDERSTAND THEMSELVES. Ask yourself (in a philosophical way) will these turkeys stand by as our Christmas starts to look pregnant with rescue?

Watch this space (between political ears).

@ Mim #14,15&16 - you have had a busy morning :o) When do you sleep??

I still hate Obama and nothing is going to change that. Jon Pilger is a well respected journalist and I used his phrase, so hence I quoted it. Therefore you cannot just "dismiss it."

He certainly has tried to dictate to Israel about building new settlements - which are none of his business. He should remember that by "being vocal" since he is the President of the US - it isn't the same as you or I passing comments on a subject in a bar. Obama is as pathetic and useless as Carter.

Obama was told but the Chinese Premier to practically stop sticking his nose in and not to interfere in Chinese domestic policy.

You seem to have a poor recollection of history - do you know what the Chinese did to the Tibetans? It is NOT the same as the history of Scotland at all. The Chinese invaded Tibet in the 1960's, and took EVERYTHING they had away.

Foreclosure is another word for repossessions.

For Obama to call the Fort Hood Massacre "a mystery" is a joke. The Psychiatrist, who was of Iraqi Muslim origin, was involved in extremism (as shown in many TV reports, including Newsnight), and had even cleared out his flat prior to the massacre, openly dennounced US foreign policy even though he was "supposed" to be protecting the US. Where is the mystery in that?

As for the article on Jeremy - what "hidden meaning" at all. (reading too much into things which are not there or just lack of adequate sleep???)

Could I really be bothered to write ALL the names of the politicians in debate with Jeremy? NO! It is common practice to write the name of the most well known/famous person and then put "et al" after it :p

I look forward to seeing you performing on ice one day ;o)

NO WEB-CAM AT QUEENS (#19)

We could arrange a blogger coach trip?

This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

@ Barrie #20 - ha ha ha!!!!!!

Ecolizzy

I have now watched the Dispatches programme that you recommended. I didn't realise that such lobbies existed and how much some of the Westminster politicians benefit financially from talking on behalf of Israel or at least to keep their mouths shut. I never liked any kind of prostitution but that's exactly how it looks to me, the whole Jewish lobbying business.

The contributions I liked best were those of Tony Lerman and the Rabbi David Goldberg who were prepared to speak out as they thought and felt.

I would like to assure anybody who may read this note, that I'm in no way antisemitic and in fact had an aunt married to one of my Grandma's cousins who was Jewish. She was one of the best, selfless and kindest people that have ever walked this earth.

What I do think, however, is that in the long run it is not in Israel's interest to create even more enemies in the Arab world or to intensify opposition against their country on a global scale.

One other thing that I would be interested in knowing more about is how the Trotskyte Jews 'cooperate' or otherwise with the more centrist or right wing Jewish organisations. I know for a fact that there is quite an intensely working group, or even organisation, that is composed of the Jewish Trotskytes. They seem to have been very cunning and in some way successful in causing chaos, especially in the West, and now have a lot to answer for. Ah, all this weazling around...

mim

#20

barriesingleton

Why not indeed? But hurry up as I'm thinking of making a film, with perhaps a few internationally known skaters whose skating I like for their artistic expression rather than just for their ability to follow correct dance steps or technically correct jumping.

Madam Mim

#19
Mistress76uk
I disagree with you on all points. Full stop. I have no problem with people quoting others as long as they back up the quotes with a thought of their own.
I don't mind you coming to Queen's to watch me skate but please do introduce yourself first. As my images are on flickr under mimpromptu you shouldn't have a problem recognising me.
Could you possibly tell me what you look like?

#23 update

I think I ought to correct myself re: my views prostitution, the oldest profession on earth, apparently. I don't really care if an adult woman does engage in prostitution as long as it is her own clear choice. I think legalised prostution is a better idea all round but it's not an issue I'm interested in promoting.

What I do not like is ideological or political prostitution for money. Never liked it never will.

Madam Mim

Mistress76uk - there are reasons for some of the behaviour which I cant talk about, if you could let it be - that would be good.

Look forward to seeing Mim skating and I think I may try that mouth watering Desert.

#12 Mistress76UK

Thanks for the Pilger link. Very interesting

Found his take on hope interesting. Google and search for:
Our Option Celtic Lion

For a similar concept on hope.

Celtic Lion

Ecolizzy

You often mention Question Time one way or another. Do you have anything to do with it or just like it?

I have appreciated quite a few remarks that David Dimbleby has made on a few occasions in the last few months, having skimmed through the programme several times on the iPlayer, and I think he is a good journalist but I simply cannot stomach watching anything these days on the telly (because of the game) apart from Newsnight with Jeremy on and that I suspect you understand why.

mim

And just in case, Ecolizzy, if I have hurt you at any stage, I apologise, it has never been intentional.

mim

9 wap are Journeyman bona fide?

its pick and mix.one or two dubious ones every now and then in the barrel. the obvious planted ones tend to get flagged up in the comments.

they mainly do travel guides.

In both marine and aeronautical navigation I was taught that in using a compass one must take account of both Variation and Deviation within a defined Tolerance. Compasses of both the magnetic and the moral variety can lead one badly astray.

Two recent news items confirm that moral variations, deviations and tolerances vary widely within human society. The item below will be absolutely repugnant to most of us in UK, and one wonders, should we attempt to change such cultures - by yet another invasion; or by giving asylum to refugees from countries with such deviation from our norms?



Our growing obsession/legislation with Equality, plus our enslavement to Eu HR rules would prevent the rescue of females only, so we could end up harbouring more clashing cultures within our multicultural maze.

The second item, below, is also repugnant to many of us in UK:



The UK taxpayer has funded some 1000 of these bribes to send back those who abuse our hospitality. One has to ask if Brown’s moral compass is in need of re-swinging, or discarding in favour of common sense.

#32 indignantindegene

"Our growing obsession/legislation with Equality, plus our enslavement to Eu HR rules would prevent the rescue of females only, so we could end up harbouring more clashing cultures within our multicultural maze."

Even the BNP have decided that they should consider bringing their philosophy into line with the law on admissions and they have two Euro MEPs that will provide them with the money.

Ironically they don't seem intent on using that money to show that the "science" upon which they claim their racial outlook is valid via the courts in regard to Party admissions.

If you are talking about a moral compass though the BNP would not be a good subject as Griffin refuses to discuss the Holocaust or his conviction for inciting racial hatred. The BNP are "not a Nazi party" they are "modern and progressive".

Polls show people are unhappy in regard to uncontrolled and unreasoned immigration but they are not in favour of racial hatred or dumping democracy in favour of national Socialism.

#18 barriesingelton

"Universal suffrage is the enemy of self-serving politics WHEN THE VOTERS UNDERSTAND THEMSELVES. "

Do you mean "understand" in the way that your old pal jaded_Jean used to "understand" politics when ranting on about anarchism and Trotskyism and the need for National Socialism instead of democracy?

Do you mean "understand" the science when that poster did not understand that genetic variation is greater within a race than between races and hence there is no need or desire for eugenics, sterilization and so on?
As ever I am happy to rely on the scientific contributions to Race and Intelligence on Channel 4 and "The Incredible Human Journey" on the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ.

Do you mean "understand" history in the way that your pal, whom you often praised, understood that the Holocaust "was made up to put people off statism" - though Nuremburg and the many Nazi war crime trials, including some current ones, have not been refuted by the "statistical evidence".

Do you mean "understand" in the way that your poster pal "understood" there is a "Jewish hegemony" and that there is yet more solid statistical evidence that is suited to the internet but not to any court where the validity and veracity of the data is tested?

What makes for a good democracy, I believe, is when the voters are are inclined to consider the value of the democratic system above party interest and steadfastly reject those that would lure them into the chains of a vile tyranny.

Some people may try to point the way but sometimes you need to look at the destination that they are suggesting.

It would be an utter travesty if Blair is made President of Europe as he would not stand a chance in a poll and does not even seek one.

Even worse would be that his proposed position made it unpalatable for any action to be taken against him if the Iraq inquiry uncovered that the public had indeed been fed a false prospectus quite deliberately.

New Labour have no shame yet Labour seem to be content to be expelled into oblivion in this latest battered coalesced form when there are no signs of life in personnel or ideology to retrieve the situation.

Would Blair perhaps be like some reminder of all that went wrong with Labour in the way that the Thatcher foundation showed all the went wrong with the Tories?

I suppose though as I vote Lib Dem they should all be left to their own ends, barring in Barking, and with luck the public will embrace the changes to the system that are needed above party interest - fair voting, an elected upper house and in my own ideal world a republic. A restored and reinvigorated democracy.

#32 I read the same articles as you indignantindegene I believe this one also belongs with them

Did you also read of the poor little girl of 13 in Somalia. She was raped and then was stoned to death, unimaginable, how on earth do these men do it?!!!! Can you think of having a tiny girl in front of you and then lobbing bricks at her. I by chance even came across a photo of her on the net, holding up her hand to stop the stones. But then these things are happenting here recently, re; the poor woman with her hand cut off, the poor teenager who was encouraged to jump from the window.

Why don't the black and asian communities speak out against these atrocities, or perhaps they do and the media don't report it!

Because of PC I think we are losing our moral compass, why don't we say these acts are disgusting, instead of saying nothing.

#36

Well said Lizzy. Why indeed people don't speak up?

mim

Go1. While you are blazing away at all your usual hapless targets, check this out at #23

"I never liked any kind of prostitution but that's exactly how it looks to me, the whole Jewish lobbying business."

"I know for a fact that there is quite an intensely working group, or even organisation, that is composed of the Jewish Trotskytes. They seem to have been very cunning and in some way successful in causing chaos, especially in the West, and now have a lot to answer for. Ah, all this weazling around..."

Can't think how you missed it.

(And no my grandfather never did...)

the more I see of Nick Clegg the more I see their vote plummetting and if only they had Vince at the helm...if only...if only

Oh and it's also children we don't care about...

We now live by third world norms, our moral compass is completely defunct. We have no idea who is living here, or indeed anything about them, I don't know why we can't close the door and do an early census!

I've read locally that Kent CC is looking after approximately 1000 foreign kids, remember that's up to age 21, not eighteen like the indigenous children.

So you can see that ONS is probably more accurate in it's forcasts than any council or government....

#39 New Fazer

Wondered when that would be spotted

(And no I've never been to Belfast..)

#17 Mim
Rituals?

Interesting. I thought about this as I went about my mostly horrid (payback from yesterday) day.

My Swine flu jab was cancelled as I had swollen glands and raised temperature. Bad! 1st appointment was quite late. Not Good. Meeting up with son and girlfriend at Aberdeen Art Gallery and enjoyed finding some among the galleries. Good! Finding the sea breaking over tennis courts. Not Good. But it's just 'stuff' and they should survive - or there is insurance!

Global Wetting???????????

I am largely a creature of habit, yet thrive on the challenge of plans going wrong. It's like deadlines. They really focus the mind.

I know what I like, what suits me, what sort of meals I prefer and feel best when eating and at what times etc etc but also like to be challenged to try new things.

I have a motto. Every day, try to do one thing you don't want to, or scares you, or takes you out of your comfort zone. More radical hair style, eat something different or something I think I don't like, listen to new music, challenge myslef to understand SOME of the posts on here!!! Mind you, I intend to stay well away from immigration debates. So much claim and counter claim, and ostrich activity.

I found this message magnet at the Gallery. I couldn't resist.
"Believe NOTHING, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense".

- Buddha.

#44

I would tend to agree about not trusting what anoter has said or written but I felt I had no choice I felt with all the lies and constant subterfuge going on from keeping me from the loved one that I've decided to give him the possibility of proving to me that I can trust at least him, as a person , that is. Although it doesn't mean that I'm testing him. I just thought he might be pleased to take on this particular challenge and I don't really think that he is likely to disappoint me.

One thing I do worry about is the issue of what you call global wetting and I hope I'm not being used as some kind of prostitute in this respect. Would you personally be happy to share your loved one with another woman?

mim

@ Mistress76uk - number 12 on your song sheets.

I suppose life in the USA was just like 'The Wizard of Oz' until bad 'ole Obama came along.
Eight years of Bush really put the country on the straight and narrow, financially sound, the envy of every country on the planet.

It is strange when politicians are expected to turn things around in a matter of weeks when most people on the planet are not capable of running a corner shop for a week.

PALIN

I see she is back on our TV screens.
Has she applied for a passport yet?
Did she win MILF of the Year in 2008?

If I had written a character like her into a Romantic Comedy screenplay the development exec would have said, 'no one could be that unintelligent. The audience will never believe in a character like her. Drop her out".

Ron Taylor

PERHAPS FARMING IS UNNATURAL, AND MEN AREN'T NATURAL FARMERS? (#36 link)

Farming requires daily, patient work - a bit like school. Who does best at school?

Farming distorts and damages nature. That sounds like male expression to me!

Bet they couldn't have gone so badly off course without language. . .

#44 Min

Global wetting is just my word play on global warning - cos where I am it's not noticably warmer but it won't stop raining - hence wetting.

Nothing more than that.


As for the sharing question. Over HIS dead body!