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Thursday 1 October 2009

Verity Murphy | 18:34 UK time, Thursday, 1 October 2009

Here is Emily Maitlis with what is coming up on the programme:


WOMEN PAEDOPHILES

"The reality is women abuse, women abuse without men telling them to abuse, and I think we have to acknowledge it for the sake of the children who are being abused". So says Kidscape director Michelle Elliot.

Tonight we broach a subject that rarely comes under discussion - but has been thrust into the light by the convictions of female child abusers at a nursery in Plymouth.

We know that paedophiles don't always wear long overcoats and lurk in parks. We have been slow to recognise however, the women that choose sexual violence to satisfy their own needs. So this evening we will be asking how common place paedophilia is amongst women - even mothers - and whether it is motivated by the same thing that drives men to paedophilia.

AFGHANISTAN
I have just been talking to the Nato Secretary General Fogh Rasmussen, to ask him if he believes there will be, and should be, a change of strategy on Afghanistan. President Obama has been sitting on a report for the last two months calling for 40,000 more troops on the ground - what is holding up his decision?

Well one thing presumably, is the dire state of democracy in Afghanistan - elections that have been widely recognised as riddled with fraud.

So is the appetite for fighting there slipping away? Could we not achieve the same desired results - security here at home - with targeted counter-terrorism and unmanned drones?

Tonight we have special intelligence on new moves afoot in Pakistan.

IRELAND'S EU VOTE
Last time, the joke goes; the Irish got the answer wrong. They voted No to the Lisbon treaty. So they have been asked to go to the polls again.

The quip may not tell the whole story, but it embodies the spirit of one of the most extraordinary political campaigns in recent history.

There have been dirty tricks a plenty - on both sides - huge bribes of cash - on both sides - and characters that are larger than life - including a close friend of the hedge fund brigade and the colourful owner of Ryanair.

Liz McKean is in Dublin as the Irish prepare to vote once again - this time in the middle of a recession that threatens to choke off the very life blood of the country.

Plenty more this evening including Michael Crick and his chopped up cow.

It's enough to make you beg for Brit Art once again.

Emily

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    Emily:

    IRELAND'S EU VOTE

    I hope that this time, the vote will have a better outcome...And, a footnote, I am not advocating a win or lose on either side of this issue.

    I am looking at it as an outsider that has been following the story and, realise all of the fall-out of the last vote.

    =Dennis Junior=

  • Comment number 2.

    Emily:

    Plenty more this evening including Michael Crick and his chopped up cow.

    What are you talking about....

    =Dennis Junior=

  • Comment number 3.

    ""The reality is women abuse, women abuse without men telling them to abuse, and I think we have to acknowledge it for the sake of the children who are being abused". So says Kidscape director Michelle Elliot."

    Sex offences against children are low frequency events in the first place. Females commit such acts at a much lower frequency than males. The first point needs to be remembered as the public, with the help of the media, is prone to hysteria in this area (as it is with respect to 'terrorism').

  • Comment number 4.

    what is abuse but choosing to use your power for your own benefit rather than for the greater good. woman are as capable as men in doing that? some might even say they are better at it?

    The Boy Who Harnessed the Wind.



    couldn't happen here. health and safety would have killed his enthusiasm, insurance would have been financially crippling and lets not get onto the planners with the haywain only model in their heads.

    which reminds me nothing on the continuing bill rip-off of the british people by foreign multinationals? the silent govt twiddles its thumbs. is it because lots of hidden taxes are hidden in our bills these days? they give them ever such nice sounding names like climate levy, carbon tax, renewable obligation, investment charge, digital switchover, broadband fee etc . so in the same way a litre of petrol is mainly tax so will be many of our bills? they then put vat on the whole lot. so tax upon tax. all in a sesame seed bun.

  • Comment number 5.

    from mimpromptu
    let's not exaggerate, there are plenty of other things to do, or to see, or to think about
    I'm afraid I'll have to skip it anyway

  • Comment number 6.

    Another juicy story about paedophilia. Excellent.

    I hope Emily doesn't spare us the gory details.

    It seems to me that the media and the 'child protection' industry are intent on turning the country in to a nation of pseudo-social workers, with their constant concern for the welfare of 'the children'. These two institutions have done more than any paedophile could ever dream of to destroy the innocence of the nation's children.

    Coupled with an obsession with 'elf an' safety', born of the 'compensation' culture, itself a product of the 'no-win, no-fee' legal system, no wonder children are going off the rails.

  • Comment number 7.

    Strugglingtostaycalm (#6) Excellent.

    The media is now dominated by emoting females (and feminized) males who seem to have little or no sense of perspective, logic, number or science. If one tells them this, they will of course be deeply offended and complain in hissy fits about it. One might even end up being moderated or losing one's job!

    It's ridiculous and it's also dangerous!

  • Comment number 8.

    Postscript (#7) This was, I believe the chaos which prevailed in post 'revolutinary' Russia (and in the Weimar Republic). There were purges...

  • Comment number 9.

    Brilliant observation Stugglingtostaycalm #6

    Alleged Health & Safety regulations finally knackered my back up just to save a few yuppies getting dust on their BMW's. After a failed back operation in Feb 1994 I have never worked since 1993, did nothing for my personal health and safety.

    I had to stop driving HGV's when new sheeting regulations were introduced ( by the safety fascists ) at the local quarries, my back would not stand it. Several of the older regular quarry drivers threw in the towel and were replaced by just passed HGV test men. This factor probably led to the Sowerby Bridge disaster where an eight wheel quarry wagon ran away down a hill and killed several people. The safety fascists pinned the blame on the brake condition, but proper examination of the evidence suggested that it was due to the middle aged ex-police driver ( following police driver training ) and pumping the ( air ) footbrake after fade, ( loosing all the pressure ) then putting the park brake on in desperation, completely wearing out the linings on the two of four axles.

    Brake fade is no longer such a major problem for HGV's due to new lining technology, but the speed limit remains at 40 Mph as set in 1968 when older vehicles only needed 40% brake efficiency to pass the annual ministry test. Since the 1970s much of our trunk road infrastructure has been transformed up to virtual motorway standards and now 40 Mph HGV's are a major risk for fatal head on overtaking collisions. Fortunately most decent HGV drivers take the true safe option and ignore the HGV speed speed limit, the only trouble now is mobile speed cameras.

    I started writing on road safety about a year after Sowerby Bridge, corresponding with Will Murray at Huddersfield University logistics department. They were attempting to charge the foreman fitter responsible for the maintenance with manslaughter and perhaps my information got any charges dropped.

  • Comment number 10.

    OBSCENE REPORTING OF SHEER OBSCENITY - NEWSNIGHT, YOU EXCEL.

    I have often mocked your arty camera-work and your 'edgy' presentation - there is always room for a wry smile at how news has become 'fun'. But tonight, you lost all sense of humanity; one (or more) among your clan, chose to present the face of one of the child-abusers with a SLOW TRAVERSE FROM NECK TO FULL FACE. I was transfixed. Not because I was looking at some stranger who had lost her hold on acceptable behaviour, but BECAUSE NEWSNIGHT HAD SEEN FIT TO PRESENT HER IN THIS OBSCENE WAY (also losing hold of acceptable behaviour).

    Newsnight - you have now given us the visual equivalent of: "A good day to bury bad news" in terms of total lack of taste and decency. I will not be surprised if you get some media award.

  • Comment number 11.

    from mimpromptu
    I wonder why they are not reporting
    On the Law Courts opening their doors
    To a new system of justice
    With the Law Lords now gracing their floors.

    As reported earlier today, I鈥檝e been there and seen them
    It remains to be seen, however, whether they do sort out the mayhem
    Created by our 鈥榞reat leaders鈥
    Lying through teeth to the voters.

  • Comment number 12.

    Good coverage of Afghanistan and Pakistan. I did wonder if the linkage between some events could have been explored.

    I gather (Daily Show) that general McChrystal, obviously a talented general, had been involved in the cover up over the real reasons for the death of an American football star in Iraq for political reasons.

    Was Obama aware of that before he selected him?

    If he is not confident in Karzai and he is having second thoughts about McChrystal then obviously he is going to look at the strategy again.

    My personal gut instinct is that McChrystal is very respected and therefore that is not a factor.

    Could there be the hope that if Karzai thinks the US may pull out then his own days are numbered and so he would quit anyway? Surely with a less corrupt government optimism in the project would be rejuvenated.

    On the Pakistani intelligence training side I did also wonder again whether the Afpak linkage was not crucial.

    To me it seems eminently sensible to make sure that the North West police chief we saw the other night gets his 10-15,00 troops from somewhere as he is making progress and he is surely at the coal face of the problem. But that is a short term fix and not a long term solution.

    There are doubts over ISI.

    So for the UK to train Pakistani intelligence units could be highly counterproductive if the allies pull out of Afghanistan and Pakistan slides under Taliban or neo-Talib control.

    We may be training our enemy. As did the CIA with al Qaeda.

    Also is it not highly likely that these units will be penetrated?

    But otherwise long run it seems very sensible to facilitate those democratic forces in Pakistan who have every reason to oppose the Talibs and al Qaeda.

    If the Pakistanis do continue to show the will to engage the Talibs/al Qaeda in Swat and the tribal areas and they keep getting results surely they will eventually get a key informant who will cause the collapse of the coordination of the insurgents and al Qaeda.

    I assume al Qaeda may also start thinking in terms of flight to the Horn of Africa should Pakistan continue to make progress and that may facilitate the collapse of the Talib resistance quite suddenly?

    A slightly different tack may be that if the allies do decide, wrongly in my world, to pull out of Afghanistan it would be wrong to employ a scorched earth policy.

    But given the drugs trade and its funding of al Qaeda (I assume) could somebody not be looking at a virus or disease to attack the opium crops?

    If they are financially crippled al Qaeda will still be dangerous but probably far less likely to strike out abroad.

  • Comment number 13.

    #7 jaded_Jean

    "The media is now dominated by emoting females (and feminized) males who seem to have little or no sense of perspective, logic, number or science."

    As ever a trite remark from a Holocaust "agnostic" who believes in the Jewish Communist International and race "realism". You always fail to justify your beliefs when push comes to shove.

    I am not "educable" but others may be and may like to know why you thought "The Last Nazis" was "all spin" and why they should "look at makers of the programme".

    Others may be fascinated to know why the large global study of DNA that formed the basis of "The Incredible Human Journey" does not prove that genetic variation is greater within a race than between races and that therefore there is no basis in science for your said race "realism".

    I think if males decide that becoming a mindless pawn in the service of a National Socialist dictator is not for them that does not make them feminine.


  • Comment number 14.

    From mimpromptu
    Streetphotobeing
    Hoping you have an interesting Friday today, I'm enclosing a new ditty:
    National Poetry Day
    /08.10.2009/

    So we鈥檙e back to Friday
    Three days before Monday
    The one that follows Sunday
    We鈥檙e now back to Friday.

    But how can it be back to Friday
    When it鈥檚 already a new future day?
    Well, it is the one following last Friday,
    We don鈥檛 name anew each day.

    So, we have now reached a new Friday
    Six days before next Thursday
    Marked by the Poetry Society鈥檚 Big Day
    And then we鈥檒l be back to Friday.
    02.10.2009


  • Comment number 15.

    #13 from mimpromptu
    thegangofone
    Well put in your last sentence but Mr Barrie Singleton has a point about the benefits of distancing oneself from obsessive purity by means of what he suggests doing a nonsense course. jj does not listen, he doesn't consider any other point of view but his own (though he claims aiming for some 'big picture', Lord only knows what he means by that). His 'politics' is an incredulous mishmash guided by his sausage. I'm just not sure whether he prefers it fried or boiled.

  • Comment number 16.

    from mimpromptu
    Barrie
    Have you ever taken part in a poetry competition?
    If not, there is an opportunity to apply for the National Poetry Competition before 31.10.09. And Carol Ann Duffy & Co are planning to open entry to applications for Ted Hughes Poetry Award, which is her own idea for a new competition and the details of which can be found on the Poetry Society website.
    mim

  • Comment number 17.

    #15 continuation from mim
    I suppose I should have mentioned that a sausage can also be oven baked or grilled. It can undergo all these cooking process either whole or sliced, depends on preference. It can be flavoured with honey and mustard or basted/immersed in tomato paste/sauce, etc, etc.
    In fact, how about a National Sausage Day on 5.2?

  • Comment number 18.

    Troll anyone?

  • Comment number 19.

    Blakenhall New Deal report. Aired three days ago but I still can't get the figures out of my head, 拢52million for 2000 households, or 拢26,000 per household but virtually nothing to show for it, no social progress that is. These are not slums, people are not going hungry, have access to services and transport. So why is it still so "deprived". Perhaps a perfect example of no need to do anything for themselves, not when the government is so willing to do it all for them. What does the NAO think about New Deal value for money ? No wonder Labour has got the country into such an economic mess. 拢52million for just 2000 houses. My parish (near to Hastings - quite deprived) of 500 houses would love just half a million for a new village hall - not a chance we are not deprived enough, well not just yet anyway. But if Labour win the election and carry on wasting our money like in Blakenhall, who knows. Thank goodness Labour won't win.

  • Comment number 20.

    addendum to #17 from mimpromptu
    I have also appealed to the Poles to establish a National Day of a Small Sausage but this time to be celebrated on 22.5, the day of birth of the Kaczynski (duck) twins but have suggested for the sausages not to be served in bread as they have recently accused Mr Chlebowski (apr. translation Mr Bread)of some betting corruption so they may not taste the same as they would if they were put in a baguette. I wonder whether a small sausage could be served in a banana sandwich? Any suggestions?

  • Comment number 21.

    ecolizzy (#18) They just make it all up. There are a lot of them about. I blame the parents! But I sometimes wonder how so many have found their way here. This is worth reading - will it pan out this way in the Middle-East?

    In one of the later (SF) posts I quote David Miliband at yesterday's conference where he states what the starting point of their politics is. It's worth a look, as most won't see just just how ignoble their lie actually is :-(

  • Comment number 22.

    FOOL OR KNAVE?

    barrie (#10) More on obscene reporting

    We need new blood in British politics, desperately.

  • Comment number 23.

    2. At 6:56pm on 01 Oct 2009, Dennis_Junior

    Plenty more this evening including Michael Crick and his chopped up cow.

    What are you talking about....


    Seems to be a growing trend.

    At best it seems to be an attempt at being cryptic and/or expecting readers to link a variety of threads, which is pretty odd journalistic style if seeking clear communication.

    Or maybe it's just mirroring the bonkers posts that try to clutter things up and get this whole silly exchange of ideas debate thing closed down as the inconvenient job (to some) a few, a very few, are finding?

  • Comment number 24.

    neocons panic as obama starts waking people up?

    seems like mark spoke to the neocons in whitehall? only they would talk about obama 'going wobbly' or 'faltering'. Obama is doing neither but standing up for common sense. if the objective is home security then targeting those few who pose a threat [mainly living in the uk] is the best strategy not never ending wars and invasions hopping from country to country wasting each one as those they try to capture elude them again and again.

    there is only honour in dumping a bad strategy based on a false narrative.

    the ira leadership said they realised they could not win when the sas had hit squads directly target them. they lost so many skilled people it made them think again about peaceful methods of achieving their objectives. we didn't go around invading ireland, the usa, kilburn, cricklewood or whoever else was giving them support.

    some see the financial crisis as divine punishment for such vexacious unjust wars.

  • Comment number 25.

    abuse.

    all those new checks would not have caught these people would it?

    why does emily feel the need to talk in an unsophisticated way? isn't that NN should be doing?

    no one is a victim over their own choices. being human does not just happen to people it has to be chosen. when people choose to use their power for the greater good they turn towards their better natures. The current nihilist relativist philosophy hates the idea that people have to choose to use their power for the good as they do not believe the good is highest idea of the mind. this is why they try to make everyone out as a 'vicitm' and deny any responsibility.

  • Comment number 26.

    the eu is not only undemocratic but driven by an extremist philosophy such as unlimited migration and giving billions to millionaire land owners as 'subsidy'.

  • Comment number 27.

    iran

    we are still being led to believe iran is the ONLY country with nuclear wmd issues? what other countries have undeclared wmd programs? why focus only on iran? isn't it merely irrational prejudice?

    being anti iran is not the same as being pro international wmd rules for all?

    also why is no public pressure being put on the only country in central asia that can supply iran with uranium even though they have not ruled out sending some to iran. is it because everyone else is also after the uranium?

  • Comment number 28.

    JunkkMale (#23) "Or maybe it's just mirroring the bonkers posts that try to clutter things up and get this whole silly exchange of ideas debate thing closed down as the inconvenient job (to some) a few, a very few, are finding?"

    Yup. That appears to be the consequence. The protagonists need not intend that of course.

    The answer surely is for more (currently non posting) readers to post and for the moderators to help shape the blog in the direction of truth however unpalatable?

  • Comment number 29.

    Very Much Enjoyed David Starky's Close Quarter Battle Work (cqb)on question time last night, He Slaughtered them (the 3)with ease, The Boot and the Bayonet used 2 great effect.

    Except he had had no need of the above tools, He used his Head, probably 2 of His Brain Cells was all that was needed 2 Thrash the 3.

    I Loved it, More of the Same Please.

  • Comment number 30.

    El PresiDENTi tony BLAH BLAH BLAH LIE LIE LIE SPIN SPIN SPIN blair.

    sounds about right, A War Criminal for president of A RASPberry GOOSEberry TurNIP CabbAGE CarROT Leak PotaTOE TOMato etc etc Nah its BANana rePUBlick

    YELLOW SKINNED

    it see's it's self as a poor copy of WinsTON

    no sign of it with A Rifle and Bayonet YET (dont hold your bREATH)

  • Comment number 31.

    Noli Illegitimi Carborundum...........EVER

  • Comment number 32.

    #21 Sorry JJ do you mean equality of men and women in the middle east?

    The trouble is as a woman I find it very difficult to accept that women are less intelligent than men. But then I find that a lot of women in the work place are carried along by the men. I've also found that women use their womanly ways to get around men to do this work! ; )

    My brains not functioning well today, so I can't think of good arguements in favour of women, but is that because we are all a bit thick?! ; )

    The Labour Party conference, I get sick to death of all the trite, tired old messages been read out from a beautifully worded script. I think we are all taken as fools, why won't any political party admit, there's a good chance they'll lose, it might even gain them some votes for being honest.

  • Comment number 33.

    ecolizzy (#32) "The trouble is as a woman I find it very difficult to accept that women are less intelligent than men."

    Steady on, remember this is always a group mean thing with some complications, i.e some women are much brighter than some men, just not all that many. Ms Harman seems not to understand this, and so her equalities talk is sadly piffle at best, seditious at worst (I fear it must be the latter as she must have been told?). The thing is that the two groups are not equal, so taken at random, a male is more likely to be brighter than a female. On top of that, people mate like with like (assortive mating - we'd drive each other batty otherwise). That some people can do things better than others (and some groups have more able people than others) is no big deal in itself. What matters is when one is trying to run a roalroad and there are too few engine drivers and engineers etc and far too many low skilled passengers demanding free rides! In the end, the railroad falls apart - see some places abroad. ;-)

    Here, we talk of 'Public Services' and cuts. Sample principle :-(.

    "I think we are all taken as fools"

    Yup. You're one of those smarter women I guess, although, we all have our off days ;-)

  • Comment number 34.

    bookhimdano (#27) "what other countries have undeclared wmd programs?"

    .

    But, unlike Iran, which is basically quite rational and predictable, Israel is really peculiar! It does not comply with the UN directives and sometimes I wonder if it complies with any of the laws of nature either.

    Maybe Newsnight could cover this some day? How come Iran is a danger but not Israel? Israel seem to regularly go on Jihad with impunity. Trying to discuss anything rational with Israel is remarkably like trying to discuss matters logically with some folk on blogs! The laws of logic and reason do not appear to apply. It is the same with some of their ex-patriates.

  • Comment number 35.

    erratum (#33) Same principle

  • Comment number 36.

    DRONES AND CLONES (#32)

    Are you into Taoism at all Lizzie? Yin and Yang - balance - NOT equality.

    The world is massively out of balance. The male view of success and worth is everywhere. I think you might have caught the virus, judging by the way you view yourself.

    Mother-Daughter-Mother is the thread of life. Males are DRONES - sperm on legs - designed to stir the gene pool. Adapted to be expendable defenders (hence fighting and winning loom large, overspilling readily into rape).

    Modern (mechanised) life, needs no men. Male inventiveness from farming on - has made the male dispensable. Doh! (No accident that 成人快手r is the male.) As things stand, womankind can continue without men.

    Women like to keep things nice, men just have to change: construct, destroy, or both. Come Armageddon, I shall seek women for 'final company'.

    SPOIL FEMINIST GAMES

  • Comment number 37.

    NARCISSISTIC WOMEN? NEVER!

    barrie (#36) "Women like to keep things nice, men just have to change"

    You have that the wrong way round. Think about it. How often do you change your outfit? What make-up are you wearing this week? When did you last redecorate? How good are you at 'multi-tasking' (ADD?). Most of the problems we have today are spawned by feminized brains peddling 'all my children are equal' (regardless of what is bleeding obvious!). Trotsky - did you have a beard? ;-)

  • Comment number 38.

    TELL IT TO ME AGAIN NANA (#37)

    I understood the first sentence JJ. Can I have the info without the analogy and oblique references?

    Is ADD Attention Deficit Disorder? Do you imply ADD underlies multi-tasking?

    Is the Trotsky bit like popes and bears? Just guessing. Does it imply your previous stuff self-evident?

    Have we perhaps a feminised populace chasing male goals? Now that would REALLY screw everyone up!

  • Comment number 39.

    TURBAN TURBULENCE - CAN WE HAVE THE DAWKINS VIEW ON THAT?

    I normally try to stand back and marvel at the petty rules that various aspects of the one god demand, but this latest problem, with a god who wants heads wrapped in cloth, has broken the dam. I suppose the turban is more secure than the little Jewish cap that takes off in the breeze. But WHAT SORT OF GOD CARES WHAT IS ON OUR HEAD? Surely it is what is IN there that is key to a good life and bliss in eternity? Might this be a clear indicator to why religious people will never get on? They are obviously devoid of rational thought.

    PS Delighted Magic Obama could not swing it for Chicago. Oh the hubris -oh the lack of judgement.

  • Comment number 40.

    So the Irish have voted Yes this time. Last time they voted No. Why does the second vote count but the first one doesn鈥檛? If the first vote had been Yes and the second vote No ... well, there wouldn鈥檛 have been a second vote.
    The Irish Prime Minister said 鈥淭oday we have done the right thing ...鈥, thus implying that the voters had done the wrong thing last time. Europe鈥檚 politicians truly despise their voters. That鈥檚 why only one country asked the voters. And when the politicians didn鈥檛 get the answer they wanted they made them vote again. The only people that benefit from this treaty are the politicians.
    Le Figaro said (about the Czech President) 鈥淭he resistance of one man, however determined, cannot stand in the way of the will that has now been expressed by 500 million Europeans鈥 (see ). 500 million Europeans have not expressed their will. Fewer than 2 million have. The politicians have not asked the other 498 million because they know that they would say No.

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