Tuesday 4 August 2009
Here's Kirsty Wark with details of tonight's programme
Happy birthday Mr President - it's Barack Obama's birthday, but if the opinion polls are to be believed the American people will not have the bunting out. Why is he tripping up on the domestic front? And who is giving him a hard time over his flagship policies - healthcare reform and climate change?
The devil is in the detail and he is apparently short on clarity and decisiveness. Has he failed to stamp his authority on Congress and the Senate? Today the President is attempting to win round opponents of his plans from his own party.
Northern Rock is showing some serious cracks with its three quarters of a billion losses on its half year results - and the repayments of nearly 4% of its mortgage book three months behind. Add to that it now owes the government £10.9 billion, do ministers need to intervene on our behalf and do they have a plan for the Rock?
Should the Trust that owns the Guardian and the Observer newspapers, ditch The Observer as a Sunday newspaper, which has been printed for 218 years? The Guardian Media Group has failed to deny rumours that its closure is a possibility as the group faces £90 million losses. Will The Observer be strangled to save The Guardian which is perhaps more interested in building up its online presence?
Tonight we'll be discussing whether The Observer just doesn't cut it anymore, and whether investigations and campaigns can ever be as effective simply using new media rather than hoary old and young hacks.
Will the state of Pakistan survive? Tim Whewell has a unique film from Rawalpindi and Pakistan.
Tonight at 10.30
Kirsty
Comment number 1.
At 4th Aug 2009, bubblegumTriffid wrote:Hi
the news tonight,
while many of us are frustrated at being ignored on the blogs and story ideas not taken up its interesting to see what is considered a news story at the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ,
just watched a news report on the 6pm ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ flagship news of actors pulling a lorry around the scottish highlands to publicise their new film.
to be precise with my blog I watched most of it but turned off before the report ended,
perhaps I missed the key bit, Nessie coming out of the water and grabbing them!!
best wishes
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Comment number 2.
At 4th Aug 2009, barriesingleton wrote:WHY IS HE TRIPPING UP?
Because, exactly like Blair, he thinks he can walk on water and charm the birds from the trees - just by being there. Blair got lucky (the Devil's half of the pact?) and got out in time. Obama - typical gottabe - was not smart enough to let someone else be 'topp' in the bad times. He had to have it NOW, like all deprived juveniles. Well he's got it now, but smiling and rhetorical cadence don't mend Mammon's machine. Until the world's enfranchised gullible masses cease to be bought by song-and-dance men, backed by obscene coercion-chests, we will always get vacuous poseurs at the top, and they will inevitably mess-up in 'difficult times'. Just look at James Gordon Brown. Must be time he got photographed with some overseas squaddies again, isn't it?
All this is another indicator that Hom Sap just can't do complexity and excess. Anyone read Robert Ardrey? He called us the 'Bad Weather Animal' - reckoned we only 'make sense' when we struggle. I reckon he was not far wrong. Perhaps if we had an 'Absolute Wipe-out' course surrounding every supermarket, we might just return to viability? A whole new meaning to: 'Bag for Life!'
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Comment number 3.
At 4th Aug 2009, brossen99 wrote:Perhaps Obama is loosing popularity due to the fact that the cat is out of the bag on his promised " Change " agenda. He presides over all the stock market parasite business as usual Corporate Nazi ideology just the same as Bush did. His healthcare reforms are simply a welfare state for the drug and private care home industry. On climate change its clear that the agenda is yet more false economic growth likely to destroy two jobs in traditional industry for every alleged green job they theoretically create.
The trouble is that if any top politician attempted to push through any real change for the benefit of the ordinary working people the Corporate Nazi's would arrange for them to be assassinated. Obama must realize that and perhaps the same principle applies here in the UK.
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Comment number 4.
At 4th Aug 2009, bookhimdano wrote:stories not covered
why the guardian does not name the journalists they say they have evidence of committing criminal acts?
why the energy companies can charge what they like despite the oil price coming down and the value of the pound going up?
why no super tax on any profits the financial industry makes?
after milliband claimed in the usa that the british people were behind afghanistan because they understood the strategy is anyone able to articulate this milliband strategy?
why hindu extremists are allowed to raise money in the uk.
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Comment number 5.
At 4th Aug 2009, bookhimdano wrote:i nearly fell off my chair when the uk ex ambassador to iran said the israeli have their own agenda on bigging up reports on iran ie to use it as a distraction/crowd out reports on palestine.
as for how to manage media anyone read the hasbara handbook?
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Comment number 6.
At 4th Aug 2009, Mistress76uk wrote:£90million losses at The Observer? No wonder they're thinking of closing it down. Surely, as mentioned in yesterdays postings, shouldn't there be a review of the content and why sales are down?
Yes, I know there is a credit crunch, so people stop buying papers, and lots of people look at newspapers online as it's far better for the environment and updated regularly. Can't the Observer switch to online as well? It would be a shame to waste 218 years of history. There are some very talented journalists in that paper (eg. Nick Cohen et al) - even Jeremy's written for them! Many have also been on Newsnight to discuss matters of the day.
Regardless of age, we still need journalists - whether they write on paper or online. After all, it is only a medium, but the talent still has to be there.
According to
It states that Jinnah's vision for Pakistan was:
"You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State." Quaid-e-Azam M.A. Jinnah in address to first constituent assembly, Aug 11, 1947
"In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims-Hindus, Christians and Parsis -- but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any
other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan." Quaid-i-Azam, Feb. 1948
Hasn't quite lived up to expectations has it?
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Comment number 7.
At 4th Aug 2009, barriesingleton wrote:THE BORING BANK MANAGER COMETH!
Any chance we can have the FAMILY DOCTOR back too? The principle is not dissimilar. Oh no - I shall be wanting THE SAME POSTIE every day next.
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Comment number 8.
At 4th Aug 2009, mimpromptu wrote:Hi
I'm so pleased to see so many interesting postings here and respectful exchanges to which the bloggers seem to adhere. At least in the last couple of days or so.
Re: pearls
And what if the pearl had a mind of its own
Who knew where it truly belonged
Belonged, that is, committed to -
A long life soul mate right through and through.
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Comment number 9.
At 4th Aug 2009, streetphotobeing wrote:Nos 8
Yes Barries's poem was thought provoking.
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Comment number 10.
At 4th Aug 2009, KingCelticLion wrote:#2 Barrie
Cameron does want to run the UK like Tesco
But can't find mention of the Absolute Wipe Out course. Would that be in the FT?
Pleased you mentioned James Brown, I feel good.
1 min 40 seconds
Celtic Lion
PS Don't have any problem with Kirsty's enunciation. Think she comes from down south though.
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Comment number 11.
At 4th Aug 2009, kashibeyaz wrote:Sorry to disagree, Barrie, but Obama really is different from Blair; could you imagine Tony taking on the mighty vested interests in healthcare and climate change? BHO fights the good fights and good guys ALWAYS win in the end. It will be interesting to see what NN makes of it all, hopefully more enlightening than their coverage of the Iranian elections, where Channel 4's prescience in having the impeccable Linsey Hilsum on the case left NN's reportage for standing.
I am no accountant, but I do know that profitability i.e. the profit/loss statement, is no true acid test of the viability of any business and as such, can I suggest that NN take a more penetrating look and examine the cash flows of said Observer and its parent; after all as Tony and Cherie would say, cash is king.
Or as Northern Rock would say; cash, what's cash? There never was a need to nationalise NR; it was a panic. The single most sensible thing HMG could have done was to guarantee savings immediately; a very dangerous, almost calamitous precedent was set instead, and now consequently, it's almost back to business as usual at the banks, currently propped up by taxpayer debt and the consolation that they're too big to be allowed to fail. Free market capitalism rules - only so far as it suits free market capitalists. If Feydeau had written a play about it, critics would have called it too outlandish, even for him.
Not to worry!
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Comment number 12.
At 4th Aug 2009, mimpromptu wrote:Hi
Re: cerebral celebrities
I wonder what some people would do without cerebral celebrities to copy, steal from and then moan about?
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Comment number 13.
At 4th Aug 2009, barriesingleton wrote:RUNNING BRITAIN LIKE TESCO - SAY NO MORE! (#10)
How apposite that Cameron would espouse the world of LOSS LEADERS. Mind you, he would have to go some to take the crown of dead-loss leader Brown. However, supermarket 'BRITCO' have cheap alcohol already, but I suspect he would move it away from the ports and airports, with casinos and betting shops lining the access 'Booze Routes' (aka Motorways).
The Tesco Kid eh? How the cap fits.
HI KASHI (#11) I can certainly imagine Tony APPEARING to take on ANYTHING that made him look good - however transiently. Didn't Obama say he is for the 'Two State Solution' in the Middle East? I wonder where he will start, and how far he will get in 4 or 8 years.
My experience is that bad guys with bigger guns win . . . Good guys have no stomach for victory.
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Comment number 14.
At 4th Aug 2009, mimpromptu wrote:#47 + a few others from the previous page
I think NN occasionally do take note of what at least one bloger is up to but it's more on an artificial level than anything. I don't think their ears have quite opened up yet. It may be something to do with academic educational mice running around in the studio. United we stand anyway, whatever.
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Comment number 15.
At 4th Aug 2009, mimpromptu wrote:Re: pearls again
A pearl full of innovation - against dehumanisation
There lived once a pearl
Who knew how to tell
Great stories of mans foibles, body and soul
Wrapped in inventive rhythms and rhymes
His verses resounding through ages like chimes
His name was Shakespeare
Wish he was still here
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Comment number 16.
At 4th Aug 2009, brossen99 wrote:#14 mim
I suspect that alleged " academic educational mice " will have been putting their every spare penny into the stock market for years. Spurred along by programmes like Working Lunch promoting just how cuddly the stock market was and how you could make a fortune and retire early. Now they have snake oil salesman Adrian Childs on the One show promoting the Corporate Nazi ideology to any ten bob fat cats who may have lost belief in the Corporate Multinational Cartel consumer democracy illusion.
Employee's of the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ are hardly likely to seriously consider any policy or idea hostile to the CMC. After all they do have to sell programmes to the CMC inspired international media and therefore not truly independent.
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Comment number 17.
At 4th Aug 2009, Strugglingtostaycalm wrote:God, not more Obama news.
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Comment number 18.
At 4th Aug 2009, ecolizzy wrote:#6 Mistress Can't the Observer switch to online as well?
The Observer has been on line for years!
The Observer isn't just losing money through it's sales of papers, the biggest problem is the crash in advertising revenue. Haven't you noticed there's a recession on?
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Comment number 19.
At 4th Aug 2009, ecolizzy wrote:I have a question about SATs tests. The results appear to be lower, but not one reporter has mentioned the change in pupil ratio. Is this down to the thousands of children in primary school that can't speak english, so can't understand a lot of the lessons? Or do the foreign children not take the SATs tests? Also would the presence of so many children speaking other languages lower the time spent on the indigenous childrens teaching time?
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Comment number 20.
At 4th Aug 2009, Dr Rao wrote:Obama has the pulse of the people who voted for him. He has a mandate for change and he would succeed in his goals.
US needs health care reforms as a top priority during these difficult times.
Health care reforms would beat the recession by offering a psychological boost to the United States.
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Comment number 21.
At 4th Aug 2009, bubblegumTriffid wrote:Hi,
re Ode to the lonely Pearl
No two Pearls share the same oyster,
Pearls, if they stand at all, stand stronger......Its that Spitfire time again!!, rat-a-tat-tat..., Pistols at dawn, never in human conflict...
Pearls dream
that one day they will be worth a lot of wonga
possibly buy a home in Ventnor,
and marry a Newsnight presenter......
Good night and Good luck to us all
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Comment number 22.
At 5th Aug 2009, friendlybeebwatcher wrote:During the discussion between Kirsty Wark, Harold Evans and Donald Trelford (like the leftie-type beard by the way!), it was noticeable that the Sunday Times was referred to as "the Sunday Times", the Guardian as "the Guardian" - but the "elephant in the room" of this discussion was referred to as "the Sunday Torygraph".
Perhaps readers, be they ever so liberal, still like a bit of humour, and a capacity for occasional self-mockery, which the Sunday Telegraph provides in abundance. To underline the point, it might be worthwhile to strike an analogy between Sunday newspapers and clubs. The Guardian and Observer remind one of the sort of place where one might expect to sit on hard chairs, and listen to earnest morality lectures: the Sunday Telegraph of a place where one could sit on old comfortable leather sofas - and where someone might actually offer to buy one a drink!
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Comment number 23.
At 5th Aug 2009, barriesingleton wrote:SPOOKED
If I post on here, does my identity become 'you'? And am I only 'you' as viewed by 'me'?
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Comment number 24.
At 5th Aug 2009, Mistress76uk wrote:@ #18 Ecolizzy - *blushes* sorry I hadn't realised The Observer was online too. Oops!
Even in these credit crunch times, The Sun and The Daily Mail still manage to increase sales and get advertising revenue. Why does The Observer fail to do this?
Excellent debate with Sir Harold Evans & Donald Trelford (very happy to see it's featured on the front page too. I was surprised to learn that The Observer was only responsible for a fraction of the £90million loss. Sir Harold Evans had the best solution of all - to take The Observer to the same level as The Sunday Times.
According to Ben Cohen, newspapers are ALL going to start charging online
Source:
However, I tend to agree with Roy Greenslade,
Source:
that charging for newspapers online won't work (excluding the FT/Wall Street Journal) - particularly because ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ News is excellent and we don't need to pay for news!
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Comment number 25.
At 5th Aug 2009, thegangofone wrote:The piece on Obama was badly weighted as it did not take account of all of the mitigating factors.
Obama probably had the worst in-tray of any President in history. Two wars that were not going well, nuclear Pakistan looking more unstable, an economic crash, Mexico becoming unstable due to drugs and a fraught relationship with Russia over Georgia. There is a global pandemic that hopefully won't become as dangerous as it might - plus a plague in China that will hopefully remain contained. There is a likely to be a carbon shortfall in the coming decades. The previous incumbents may have colluded in illegal acts of torture and renditions.
So trying to do the sums on what was available for Healthcare would be pretty tricky. Should he have postponed the effort? Perhaps but then this is a problem that has to be sorted out.
Clinton talked a lot about Healthcare Reform but did nothing.
It is inevitable that as nobody had really faced an economic crisis like this for a hundred years he might not get all of the right answers the first time.
His popularity could only go down.
But so far he has not made any critical mistake and should he resolve all of the problems - including a real stab at building the foundations for peace in the Middle East - then he will have carved a major place on the history books.
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Comment number 26.
At 5th Aug 2009, thegangofone wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 27.
At 5th Aug 2009, thegangofone wrote:I thought the piece on Pakistan was important last night.
The question for me though is are there high elements of the the Pakistan bureaucracy - beyond the ISI - that are playing both sides and are waiting for the US to run out of money and patience?
What is the attitude of China and Russia to the idea of a nuclear armed Pakistan should it - and it has not and probably will not - lurch into Taliban policy following a US defeat?
It would seem to make sense for them to allow incursions by Nato into the border areas to take out training and logistics bases and try to capture Talib and al Qaeda leaders.
Surely there is only one direction that they can follow.
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Comment number 28.
At 5th Aug 2009, thegangofone wrote:On the newspaper decline/funding issues should they disappear does it not bring home the need for accurate journalism/reporting on the web?
For instance take the far right posters who would claim "evidence" that there was no Holocaust - so they are "agnostic".
But that "evidence" won't show up at the alleged Nazi war criminal Djemjanjuk's trial.
The media should be - and often is not - the watchdogs of democracy and we need a strong and independent media.
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Comment number 29.
At 5th Aug 2009, kevseywevsey wrote:rebb@20 wrote:
"Health care reforms would beat the recession by offering a psychological boost to the United States."
God!...how does that work, its delusionally optimistic in the extreme. Obama means well but his hands are tied with a cash strapped devil worshipping elite; most of his election campaign promises have been quietly dropped already. If you don't now how American politics works, your gonna be very disappointed in Obamas presidency; its gonna be the same old stuff not unlike the Bush administration. In a year from now Americans won't be calling Obama the first Black President but the first half white president. On the positive at least Obama is articulate unlike that idiot George Double 'u' Bush.
P:S glad Kirsty's hair dresser is back on the job because Mondays effort was not at all good; pulled back tight and in a bobble and wearing a red coat..what was all that about!..ain't it funny how women can look awful one day and the next day...ravishing - well, in that middle aged kinda way..er you know, can still scrubb up well.
This is what happens to you if you flick through one of those brightly coloured magazines that female staff leaves lying around for you to pick up...within 20 mins you turn into a shallow celebrity/fashion critic. I suppose its better than having to read that sactimonious rag the Guardian...(sorry, i can't help meself:)
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Comment number 30.
At 5th Aug 2009, Gates wrote:America voted for change. They obviously didn't realize that they would also have to make changes. America as a whole has been ignorant to problems that are inconvenient to them such as and . Now someone is trying to change that, its leaving many Americans angry because they have been living in bliss for years.
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Comment number 31.
At 5th Aug 2009, mimpromptu wrote:#8 + #15 + #21
The Pearl story - continuation
It's not the house and not the wonga
The 'standing' pearl is dreaming of.
It's love that's waiting 'hid' in the 'oyster'
Isn't it obvious virtually to all?
And light that should be shed on the truth
As soon as poss., might I suggest,
Showing what's hid behind the scenes
In rooms and studios of ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ.
Is dosh involved in all of this
And some kind of bidding that's going on?
Making the runners blinded by gold
Of promised lands and self-deceit?
#52 Analysis of Mr Singleton's poetic dictionary put in prosaic terms:
Mr Singleton, spurned on by and puppeting to JJ, speaks of 'his' pearl as some kind of female object of material utility that can be 'caught' or 'grabbed, as used by numerous puppets in their show. Worse still, previously, they were expecting the pearl itself to do the grabbing. That's why I've given my pearls a mind and voice of their own hoping that no fans of William Shakespeare would be offended by this poetic device.
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