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A BOLD CONJECTURE

Over many years, especially since teh end of WWII, the Anglo-Saxon and Commonwealth sub-populations of the UK (and USA) have been softened up to be frighted of stating what's really the case, in order to make them cognitively pliable foot-soldiers/consumers. :-(

Once again Britain appears to be allowing itself to be dragged into Middle-Eastern politics via a media which is not acting on behalf of Britain's national interests.

Why? The 'Little Satan' is Israel, not Britain. Why is the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ now making out otherwise?

THE REST OF THE JOB LEFT UNDONE

Brown has done his - apparent - best to ensure that MPs do not re-offend, but hasn't he missed a trick? If they all wore orange jumpsuits with 'POTENTIAL OFFENDER' emblazoned on the back, we could all sleepmore easily in our constituencies.

#1 JJ

A BOLD CONJECTURE

This is what I find incredulous. We are told climate change is a problem. A dumbed down, soundbite for the masses, hiding the real problems. We have pollution, deforestation, species extinction. An increasing human population, being guided towards increasing consumerism. The answer we were told was to recycle carrier bags and turn your mobile charger off. (Oh how I laugh)

Yet as soon as we get a hiccup in the economic system. World leaders chant consume consume consume. Support you local High Street, increase the economy.

So if the situation was catastrophic before. Why has the public or the media not once stated "what really is the case". If we do what Governments tell us we make selves extinct.

We are living on a schizophrenic planet. It's madness.

Celtic Lion

KCL #4

The point about plastic carrier bags is that if we incinerated all our household waste they would not be a problem. I suspect that the type of plastic they are made of once made up part of the heavy fraction once used in large scale oil fired boilers, like in ships and railway locomotives. It was the case that when plastic came on the scene, nasty black smoke generating heavy oil became more expensive than diesel.

Having said that the point is that burning plastic anything in an incinerator is no problem to the environment these day's due to flue gas scrubber technology. It would be possible to recover the energy from waste and reduce consumption of other fuels, its said that the UK could generate 10% of the electricity base load in this way.

We all know what the public think about having to pay for plastic bags, they have voted with their wallets, several M&S food stores forced to close.

KingCelticLion (#4) "Yet as soon as we get a hiccup in the economic system. World leaders chant consume consume consume. Support you local High Street, increase the economy."

Hold that thought and filter the rest through that thought. Recycling saves councils costs as we do some of their service providers' presorting and save them money.

In Liberal-Democracies it's consumers first, people last. Why are you at the airport a couple of hours before your flight? So you spend more meny in the shops etc etc.

... both sides of the war on terror....

which implies both side are united in a policy of terrorism? its not an admission of guilt i've heard our FO make? i'm sure if we let go of our terrorism they would let go of theirs? but then its not really our 'war' is it? its not even our language. the correct term is crime and should be dealt with under criminal law.

bookhimdano (#7) Nicely put.

NICELY PUT INDEED (#7 #8)

The military are consumers, employers, and 'creators' of infrastructure projects. So what does it matter who/what they 'fight' as long as the war goes on a long time and the massive death toll is only inflicted on the Cheap Peoples? (It's a modern corollary to slavery.)

I read today, in an old copy of The Week, that the Cheap Peoples regard 9/11 as a put up job by the Axis of Devil. So it didn't fool them - and New York is not far behind, now. One good rumble deserves another. But Dubya is, no doubt, immune by some obscene USA pardoner-power, and Blair, as I said before, has contacts, elevation and wealth, that (I heard said) he can mobilise in 45 minutes.

But enquiries, too, bring employment, so mustn't grumble.

Incidentally, why is there not a gale of laughter every time someone says: "under oath"?

barrie (#9) Hope the NHS is treating you better. You were referred to in the Paul Mason blog as 'The Philosopher King' today (and as 'sublime') - our degenerative socialist state must look after our national treasures!

In answer to your question "why is there not a gale of laughter every time someone says: "under oath"?

Dysgenesis - the product of Liberal-Democracy aka Social-Democracy aka Social-Fascism :-(

#9 Barrie

"Incidentally, why is there not a gale of laughter every time someone says: "under oath"?"

Because you couldn't hear me down there?



(My dad was a fireman/footplate man.)

Celtic Lion

#9 Barrie

You just beware of that military industrial complex, d'ya 'ear.



Celtic lion

Jeremy's interview with Henry Gewanter was my favourite of the night. If it wasn't for him, the public would not have known about MPs expenses at all. Did it really make any difference if he was paid or not? To me, it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference, as dodgy MPs have been exposed. Gewanter, quite rightly, was proud of himself for bringing this to the public's attention, and did not make any money for himself.

SUICIDE MAY BE PAINLESS - BUT HAWKEYE PIERCE IS ALIVE AND WELL!

Today's episode of 'caring hell' exceeded all previous experience JJ. Female power-narcissists are actually locking horns for possession of my Brother's desperate shell. It's a play by one of those names one should drop.

Being a 'treasure' I suppose it is de rigueur to offer myself on 'Flogit' or 'Crap in the Attic'. Thanks for the tip - I needed a lift.

On the subject of uplifts - Celtic - a beautifully crafted video. Less song and more trains would have been nice. Your usual ones are more 'Frenzy of the Earth' to my ballad-trained ear.

Clearly we are living in interesting times; the curse is upon us.

I think I have gone from the sublime to the invidious.

Very good and thought-provoking piece by Tim Whewell on the young people in Pakistan.

Newsnight appears to be sending out odd signals. Iran doesn't have a socio-economic system like that of anarchistic, degenerating UK/EU/USA/Israel. This is apparently unacceptable to UK/EU/USA/Israel. Why is it acceptable? Why shouldn't UK/EU/USA/Israel be more like Iran? After all, the president of the SCO (Russia, China etc) congratulated Iran on choosing Ahmadinejad as president. Is the SCO wrong and the UK/EU/USA/Israel right? Why doesn't Iran want to be anarchistic too? Some of their youth clealry like it. See twitter. See much projectile_throwing_at_police behaviour which is described in the Western media as 'peaceful protest'. If people threw stones at me, I wouldn't describe them as peaceful. I'd get very annoyed! Has the Western media started to employ perceptually challenged 'reporters' in compliance with the EQUALITY ACT (2006)?

Is this the same 'peaceful protesting' which resulted in pogroms against protesters in Eastern Europe/Western Russia in the late C19th, followed by mass (several million) seeking of asylum in the UK and USA (followed by 1905 Alien Act and Sedition Act)?

JJ

I definatly truly belive some of the images the media are showing from Iran are fabricated.

It is difficult having a scientific background and having worked in a laboratory which was MoD and BS 5750 compliant (whatever it was at the time). Then within that environment having done quality control, R&D and forensics.

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As soon as I saw the photos of mistreatment of of Iraqis that the Daily Mirror showed which resulted in Piers Morgan losing his job I knerw they were faked.

In that case I knew as a material scientist. The pictures claimed that a prisoner had been urinated on. This was untrue. In the picture the clothing showed beads of liquid. This could not happen. For beads the surface tension must be intact. Therefore the material must be new. carrying the residue of manufcature.(Never washed or worn prior) If they were mistreating a prisoner, why give them brand new clothes minutes before?

Without a laboratory and the sytems available I can only 'opine'. But an opinion with some objective scientific forensic background.

ITN showed a picture of a flag waving demonstartor, immediately behind a scence which included a beautifully written placard and then a further back ground. All in perfect focus.

In the fore ground the material flag was perfectly in shot. Either the demonstator was waving the flag very quickly, to get the unfurled image, or it was starched.

As there was no blurring the shutter speed must have been very high!!!!!But the depth of focus was perfect, fore ground, mid and back ground.

With the faces perfect, this was not just a digital camera quickly on auto (no blur on flag). So someone happened along with a very expensive camera and lenses. £1000-2000 plus at a minimum. That knew they could instantly get a perfect unblurred flag and the depth of field.

I have a reasonable digi camera (£200) I know all the menus. This camera would never have been able to take that picture.

Yet the media the News presented as some 'I've got a mobile and taken this picture'. Impoossible.

I could go on. But I am only 'opining' as I don't have the hard image and all the techie stuff to show that the image was a 'too professional' image. It lacked 'gritty realism' or should I say 'grainy'.

Perfect flag, perfect camera, perfect lens, perfect shutter speed, perfect depth of field, perfect placard, perfect background, perfect trimmed beard, perfect white teeth, perfect smile, perfect angle, perfect framing.....

The ''real'' world isn't perfect.????

Celtic Lion

#14 Barrie

Sorry about my music. A few months ago someone described me as a cross between an Irish bare knuckle prize fighter and Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin. (they were a moderately successful rock music combo) See here/hear.



If you haven't seen or heard it. The bloggo-sphere has now stopped revolving. A national treasure has been introduce to Led Zep via Stairway to Heaven. (Live, might be from Song Remains the same) (comments welcome) That is a global epiphany.(They are not Supergrass)

No chance ever of me being one of your 'rosette stands' me thinks.

Celtic Lion

#17 CL

Oh I've been moderated.

Well I suppose that's what comes of someone who has worked in a BS 5750 accredited ISO whatever, MoD compliant laboratory. Doing quality control, R&D and forensics within that environment. With all the documentation and paperwork that involves.

Then expressing an 'opinion' on the authenticity of certain media images.

Was I right? I'll take it I was, until refuted. Over to you.

Celtic Lion

#14 Barrie

Well you started it. Or was it Hawkeye Pierce? Frenzy of the Earth? But if I was Peaches Geldof mixing live to comments on a blog. I would have to wouldn't I? Besides there are people reading going "If you don't I will". So I have to.



They are a Welsh band thought. So I am ensuring a UK ethnicity for the evening. In a way.

Celtic Lion

#6 JJ

"Why are you at the airport a couple of hours before your flight? So you spend more money in the shops etc etc."

Sorry JJ completely alien to me. "I know nothing"

More than 30 years wanted to be astronaut. Doing 3 science A levels plus General Studies. In RAF cadets. Intention join RAF, do degree in Earth Sciences, get pilots licence. Combine Earth Science degree with astronaut programme. Work on global ecological systems. See previous posts re Cousteau etc etc.

Did all the aerobatic flying there was nothing a Chipmunk could do which could even get anywhere disorientating me.

Had 9 operations on my leg. Would never get in RAF. Missed 1 year of school so did qualifications a different route. see #19.

perhaps it stopped my having to make the decision not to drop bombs on children?

Never been on any sort of commercial plane ever, never been to an airport. Why would I need to. No one has ever offered me work as a planetary systems ecologist abroad.

So what ever reason would I ever need to go on a plane. I always love where I am and the people I am with. Why need to travel abroad. All that pollution. What for?

I have served in, worked in, cleaned, refitted, built Kebab shops so understand some Urdu. Spent hours days weeks, months, years with Muslims. Was invited to go and live in the mountains north of Srinagar.



or to keep conceptualised, the riff is everywhere



I have worked in the berry fields of Scotland with people from all over Europe.

Sorry airports, planes. Never seen any need for them now. Don't even have a passport. I love it here.

Celtic Lion

KingCelticLion (#21) "More than 30 years wanted to be astronaut. Doing 3 science A levels plus General Studies. In RAF cadets. Intention join RAF, do degree in Earth Sciences, get pilots licence. Combine Earth Science degree with astronaut programme. Work on global ecological systems. See previous posts re Cousteau etc etc."

You lead an adventurous life with high aspirations.

I'm far more limited, exist only in the blogosphere (don't get out much), and so am often told to 'get a life'.

Ha,ha, Leo I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one that doesn't fly!!! Last time I did it was on a Dakota! I usually go by car, boat or train. I love your taste in music, did you ever ask your muslim friends what was so wrong with western music?

Britain's government moved aggressively to crush popular protests over the Credit Crunch, bad climate and the G20, sending a force of police officers onto the streets.

#14 Barrie ~ Today's episode of 'caring hell' exceeded all previous experience JJ. Female power-narcissists are actually locking horns for possession of my Brother's desperate shell

Having experienced our caring NHS with regards to elderly parents care, you have my sympathy. I wonder why people just don't care these days, perhaps a question for Jean.

OUR OVERCROWDED ISLE!

With this not happening...

And this happening...

When will too many, be too many?

ASBO BRITAIN: CARERS ARE LOSERS

ecolizzy (#25) "I wonder why people just don't care these days, perhaps a question for Jean."

In part we are literally producing (and thus nurturing) more people who primarily care about themselves (Thatcher's legacy), in part, people are far too busy to care (blame ICT, automation), and in part, those who did care have given up (burned out) because there are so many demanding what they are to (they have Human Rights, duties being anathema to the free-market).

JJ #22

"(don't get out much), and so am often told to 'get a life'."

It's get out of town you should do. (Joda accent.) It's not nearly so bad then. KCL has got it right - lovely spot on the globe.

FREUDIAN READING SLIP (#24)

Hi JJ. I thought you might like to know that I read your heading as: "CRACKDOWN ON PROTESTENTS".

I am glad you lead the life you do - I don't think your laptop would function among the fields of (Scots) berry.

Thanks Eco. In passing: did your Dakota have bobbling rivets and oil swathed wings - the Beeza Bantham of the air? (I'll swaer I saw a bag of spare tail wheels 'down the back'.)

Eclizzy #23, Barrie #29

OF SEALING WAX AND STRING

My beloved grew up on Jersey and with her father being employed by the local airline spent many happy hours bouncing around in the back of various DC3 cargos. (Many held together to some degree with sealing wax, string and gaffer tape.) Possibly the most useful aircraft ever next to the Hercules.

As for the BSA Bantam (my first bike), that had interesting origins. Even JJ might find something there to comment upon.

barrie (#29) "I thought you might like to know that I read your heading as: "CRACKDOWN ON PROTESTENTS".

Ah yes, well, don't get me started on them again: I reckon they were a good part of problem - early 'rootless Cosmopolitans' or their like the vandals on the streets of Tehran they were egged on by the hands of Satan, giving people ideas above their station, telling folk they were all equals etc. 23% of London households have no parent at work. Now, ecolizzy, why is that, and why isn't it equal to all other areas?

- what's in name? We're all , except it wasn't just white British people behind the Race Relations Act, it was white British Jewish people who pressed for the legislation, possibly for affirmative action/hegemonic reasons, and whilst we can tell the difference between races by DNA (see links some time back to US commercial forensic technology), we're not allowed to as it's politically incorrect to do so, so they excluded the satellites from CODIS! Not that doing so is all that useful in itself, as discrimination against people on grounds of race alone is rightly wrong.

The EHRC can't see things that everyone else can. That's progress?

#27 JJ I agree with everything you say here, especially the affect Thatcher had. Ever since the '80's I haven't understood this country!

#30 NewFazer Now there's a coincidence, where do you think I flew to on the old Dakota?! Jersey! I wonder if your beloved fathers flew me, or did he just pilot cargo planes? I remember it being very noisy and rattly!

My first boyfriend had a BSA 600, I used to ride pillion, down one of the first new motorways, doing a ton. No helmet, no gloves, no boots, no leathers, usually high heeled shoes, and a mini skirt. Hhhhmmm if my mother knew! ; )

# 29 Barrie In passing: did your Dakota have bobbling rivets and oil swathed wings - the Beeza Bantham of the air? (I'll swaer I saw a bag of spare tail wheels 'down the back'.)

I couldn't believe the noise! Years later I mentioned it to a male friend he couldn't believe I'd been on one!

NewFazer Hhhhmmm or perhaps it was this one...

Given the neocon ideology is the greatest threat to the uk will the FO mount an inoculation against that ideology? if they gave me a million i'd be happy to go down to carlton house and give a talk on how admitting there is a neocon problem is the first step.

#21 JJ

Should have read 'more than 30 years ago'. The lady across the road had bought me some wine and beer for looking after her house, garden and fish when they went away.

We lost daylight at 11pm, but the sun just glows below the horizon. So sat up and watched the sky. It was 3.00am when I wrote that. Plus the wine and beer. But was up early.



#23 Ecolizzy.

Thanks. We used to listen to a lot of their music. They asked me if I minded. I was pleased to listen to other stuff. They had techno/trance Bangra type eastern dance fusion stuff. This was early to mid 90's. 10 years later to the present western producers have taken the style into western popular culture. Sort of like this. As a first example?



But to me the original Pakistan and Indian stuff was preferable. It had a joyfulness to it. I could only manage a few words in Urdu so had no idea what they were singing about. But could hear sometimes western samples occasionally so used to really get into the cross culture of the music. We also talked of many things such as Sharia law etc.

We used to listen to all sorts of their music while preparing or when it was quiet. When it got busy we put on radio or generic western stuff. Don't want to upset the drunken punters with too much of a culture shock after the pubs on a Friday.

#29 #30 Barrie New Fazer

Bantam first bike I ever rode on the road.

Celtic Lion

#35 Ecolizzy

A10?



Celtic Lion

Ecolizzy #35. That's more likely, the A65. BSA never made a 600. 500 & 650 they were.

Was the motorway you referred to M1? The (then) southern end was at Berrygrove, a mile or so from where I lived at the time. And a .

Pakistan

more proof [if needed] that the pen or the word is mightier than the sword.
people who skilfuly work with words bring light. A light that dispels darkness literally. Darkness is a 'spell' or form of words.

so it not surprising those who cast spells or darkness are ever keen to remove or silence those whose words bring light. Which is why in any repressive regime writers and artists are usually the first in the gulags or up against the wall. So writers/speakers are the canaries of a society.

so the great responsibility of those whose vocation is to use words in print or speech is to use them skilfully lest all they do is just increase the darkness.

the govt, under the smokescreen of mps expenses, have decided not to separate investment banks from retail banks? so when the investment [casino] banks go down they will drag the retail down with them. Once again privatising the profit and socialising the loss. Of course the banks want to keep that model. wouldn't you want unlimited backing by the state if your bets on the horses go wrong?

THE DEVIL'S DIGITS INDEED

bookhimdano (#41) Meanwhile, pressure is kept up against the 'tyrannical dictatorships' like Iran, evil racists in NI and the BNP are highlighted at homec etc - all careful orchestrated to ensure that the bulk of the electorate only votes for liberal-democratic parties which will never do anything to change the status quo, just further deregulate in favour of the free-market i.e. anarchism.

And people say we don't encourage dysgenesis/stupidity. Some of are doing a rather good job breeding to what is clearly disreputable and dishonourable bias in our own press at home. After all, all Iran's opponents needed to do was to inflate the numbers voting in the local elections, it wouldn't matter who won, the aim would be to discredit the electoral process. Note the above critics, no stranger to Newsnight, don't finger who did the alleged 'rigging' - it's all done by innuendo as usual, which is precosely what incenses the Iranian government given that, unlike the anarchistic, atheistic, West, Iran prides itself in being a moral theocracy.

#2 Jaded_Jean

"Why? The 'Little Satan' is Israel, not Britain."

People would never guess about your Holocaust "Agnosticism" and reverence for Hitler.

You are still struggling to accept the science that says genetic variation is greater within a race than between races and there is therefore no basis for your racial policies. You encourage "encourage dysgenesis/stupidity" (#42).

But the BNP and their like are as you identify "evil racists" in #42.

But you do then go onto to suggest surprise that in a liberal democracy people tend to vote for liberal democracy and not for fascist tyranny.

The media don't cover ancient Mayan sacrifices as a positive - why would they - and people don't spend a lot of time trying to figure out whether the Manson family really had something to offer.

You aren't the sharpest tool in the bundle when you cut to it huh?

#38 Leo and #39 NewFazer

It was red like the one in the photo, so I think it must be the A65.

No the mini one, the M2, it never had any traffic in those days. Now it's a major route for the wonderful "Thames Gateway" developement, which will flood. The outcome is all in the title!

That photo looks very familiar though NewFazer, I think I might have stopped there as well, although I rode mainly around London.

The Dragons den shows one area we will have to consider - cuts. But that could stifle growth and leave us near the bottom of the hole?

How about the promoted ideas of using new green technologies to grow our way out of the hole?

What about getting Ethical Man to look into whether a sudden heavy investment in green energy would give industry an abundance of cheap energy and a viable transport infrastructure?

Also will the economy "rebalance" naturally or will it need policy changes and who will make them?

#37 kingcelticlion

I might have missed your reply but when you are not working the fields or telling the police about the Tay flooding or working on defence projects you spend time in Belfast.

How much time have you been spending there of late?

Even Jaded_Jean recognises there are evil racists in the BNP and Northern Ireland. Perhaps the former are at work in the latter.

IT GETS 'BETTER'

Just heard Peter Hain (back again - as if he never were gone) say that RBS (I think) Bank boss has a big task ahead and (by inference, on completion) will need to be COMPENSATED . Run that past me again - Hain - again.

AS APOLOGIES COST NOTHING THEY SHOULD BUY EVEN LESS

barrie (#47) They really do play the public for fools. A few words of apology here, a bit of theatrical hand-wringing there.... The trouble is, most people happily suspend disbelief when they go to the theatre.

one thing we do not like is a 'smart arse' the whistle blowers make the short cut for us every time but being 'Bitish' we don't like a tat tale tit, that's what we used to call them but the guy who blew the whistle on MP's expenses will draw a few quid but will be despised yet it is the Sir Fred's of this world who should be getting the hatred, the moat cleaners and pension destroyers, who should live in fear but as we are a strange breed we loathe the guys who go out on a limb and risk everything to square the circle. On 5live this morning the Henry who made no money but was the go-between had all the whackoes on the phone in having a go, well, not from me, he did us all a service and you can stick your old colonial, regimented, 'chaps a rotter' crap he was brave to do what he did and in the long run saved a little of what parliamentary democracy we have left.. and stuff the Sir Bufton Tuffton's

#48 Jaded_Jean
"The trouble is, most people happily suspend disbelief when they go to the theatre."

Happily though most will spot that somebody who reveres Hitler does not have the answers for problems in a democracy - no matter how often they insist they have nor how mind destroying the poetry. People such as the BNP are after tyranny.

"The row was sparked by Ayatollah Khamenei saying the UK was the "most evil" of Western governments.
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A Foreign Office spokesman said: "We made clear to the Iranian charge that the supreme leader's comments were unacceptable and not based in fact. In the ambassador's absence, the charge was called in."
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"However, Ayatollah Khamenei's description of Britain as the most 'evil' of foreign governments was a step too far."

British diplomats are thought to believe Britain is being used as "proxy" for the United States, because Iran does not want to endanger its improving relations with America."

On another point of accuracy Emilie, Britain is not the 'Little Satan' as you well know... Israel is. ;-)

On Pakistan does the fact that there is a more concerted effort and more focused political will against the Talibs mean that there is the possibility that their supply chains can be impacted?

I am assuming that a number of government people looked the other way and that elements of the ISI probably collaborate with the Talibs.

But now that there is flux. The Talibs are less popular and there is the outside chance of the nuclear component to the conflict causing disaster will the Talibs be the ones to suffer on supplies?

I know they had made bold strikes on routes to Afghanistan against the Nato supply convoys.

But if their money and arms are cut I assume even guerilla warfare becomes difficult.

If the US was allowed to insert special forces I assume there would be less chance of drones shooting up the wrong houses - though they do seem to have been quite successful.

Can the US afford to go on for ever and can Pakistan now conclude that there is no way to negotiate with the Taleban or to reduce civilian strife?

#44 ecolizzy

"That photo looks very familiar though NewFazer, I think I might have stopped there as well, although I rode mainly around London."

Londoners will be disappointed as I thought you had previously said that you would not visit London as you did not feel connected due to the racial mix.

It may be coincidence but house prices in the South East rose so maybe the BNP do do their bit for the economy.

Does McBride sleep with the fishes? Can he not be found and expand on the email smear campaign that never was?

#31 Jaded_Jean

"Roma - Romanians - what's in name? We're all racists, except it wasn't just white British people behind the Race Relations Act, it was white British Jewish people who pressed for the legislation"

I would have thought that if Hitler had put Roma into death camps that would have been enough for you. You revere Hitler so you have said before.

"We're all racists" - no we aren't. Everybody may have passive tendencies but few actively base their political views on pseudo-scientific nonsense. Genetic variation is greater within a race than between races. Watch the Incredible Human Journey - still available on line.

The "special attention" to Jews is not even science in most peoples books and the best explanation I have managed to get to date was that Stalin ejected Jews who were "anarchists and Trotskyites". The sub-text was Hitler couldn't get a job and knew how to exploit tensions and crises to his advantage.

You seem to like Stalin as a statist - but then try to blame him for the Holocaust in the next breath.

Meanwhile Hitler himself was so impressed he invaded the Soviet Union.

I bet at the end as the Soviets approached his bunker in Berlin he revised his opinion and thought about offering a draw or pointing out that they were all jolly good "statists" and it was all a misunderstanding.

But the Russians were circa 25 million people down by then so he probably just decided to shoot himself while the going was good.

It would have been better to watch him hang after a trial but whatever.

#55 Go1

"It would have been better to watch him hang after a trial but whatever"

The BNP like yourself want the return of the death penalty.

One of the reasons i wouldn't vote for them. You seem to have some common ground though.

Celtic Lion

#33 Ecolizzy

"My first boyfriend had a BSA 600, I used to ride pillion, down one of the first new motorways, doing a ton. No helmet, no gloves, no boots, no leathers, usually high heeled shoes, and a mini skirt. Hhhhmmm if my mother knew! ; )"

You little 'rocker' you. Careful the 'mods' don't cut and paste you to Top Gear.

Celtic Lion