Time running out for anti-Devonwall MPs
David Cameron today told Cornwall's six MPs he would discuss their concerns over the Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill with ministerial colleagues. No doubt the MPs see this as an historic victory.
The MPs' next chance to make their own mark on this legislation is the Report stage in the House of Commons next Monday, followed by the Third and final reading a week tomorrow.
So unless the government agrees to changes by next Monday, Tuesday 2nd November will be the day on which the MPs have to decide if they are for or against this Bill - whether a referendum on the Alternative Vote system matters more than Cornwall's political border with Devon.
Time to study the smallprint of their previous statements on this matter.....
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At 26th Oct 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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At 27th Oct 2010, Andrew Jacks wrote:I do not care where the border is, I am more concerned about the postal votes and polling stations locking people out last general election. Those throwing toys around do not care about democracy, all they care about is brainwashing 500,000 people and failing with theatrical style, interesting they now use the phrases 'cross party support', in truth they tried to hijack it and failed, all you have to do is listen to what the MPs said on the 'protest in the park' (Saltash). We all recall the claims of thousands of nationalists marching on the bridge, 50 tops.
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Comment number 4.
At 27th Oct 2010, P_Trembath wrote:Still having difficulty counting I see Andrew.
The "Brainwashing" jibe can be used by both sides, and is now getting rather cliched don't you think?
The phrase "Cross Party Support" was used at the very beginning of the campaign, and is as true then as it is now.
No-one "tried to hijack" the campaign, just join it.
As for "throwing toys around", is that not what persistent denial of the campaign, and attempt to discredit by association to Nationalists, really is?
All election systems are open to abuse and mismanagement, Postal votes will be fixed by the unscrupulous if they feel they can get away with it, as will the old system of actually turning up. There is the question of multiple voting, and "tactical" voting surrounding "second homes". These means of voting, and more, need looking at again. In fact the whole system could do with a major overhaul. In my opinion, compulsory voting for all would be the way to go, with a more accurate method of ensuring that the person voting was the person supposed to be voting.
To get back to the topic of the OP, what our MP's need to understand, is that of all the systems of PR that could be chosen, the "Alternative vote" system is the one most likely to favour the existing "Big three" parties, and more likely to prevent the smaller parties from having any chance of election. Thus maintaining the current status quo.
Quite frankly, they all need to grow a pair and vote this ill conceived bill on the trash heap where it belongs. Then they need to work to get a discussion, and then a referendum on the sort of PR that would actually be "proportional" to the general public's true views, both on a local level, and that of the UK as a whole.
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At 27th Oct 2010, Andrew Jacks wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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At 27th Oct 2010, youngcornwall wrote:It would be very much in the nats interest to make it compulsory voting, apart from taking away peoples democratic right not to vote, those who have been made to do so against their free will, would be more inclined to vote for MK out of spite or spoil their ballot papers.
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Comment number 8.
At 27th Oct 2010, P_Trembath wrote:YC, the chip you have on your shoulder regarding "nats" must be a real burden to you.
You say that it is a "democratic right" not to vote, but I believe that it is a democratic duty to vote. A spoiled ballot paper, or the inclusion of a "non of the above" option, is as valid a vote as one for any standing candidate. What extra "benefit" MK would have from such a system, would be balanced by the extra "benefit" other parties/candidates would also receive. If you believe that "spite" comes into anyone's thought process when deciding on whom to vote for, then it says more about you than think.
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At 27th Oct 2010, youngcornwall wrote:鈥淭he MPs' next chance to make their own mark on this legislation is the Report stage in the House of Commons next Monday鈥
No doubt their 鈥渙wn mark鈥 hopefully for them will be seen as they tried and did their best (what more could we have done attitude) and like everything else it will be soon forgotten.
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At 27th Oct 2010, AccurateChronometer wrote:According to the 'Keep Cornwall Whole' web site administered by the Mayor of Saltash the view of all six Liberal Democrat and Conservative Party MPs of Cornwall & Scilly that all parliamentary constituencies of Cornwall & Scilly should remain completely within the territorial border of Cornwall & Scilly is shared and supported by these reputable and widely respected individuals and organisations, along with many others from across the political, social and cultural spectrum:
Lord Teverson
Trevor Colman MEP (UKIP, South West Region)
Cornwall Labour Party
Cornwall Green Party
Mebyon Kernow
Cornish Nationalist Party
Cornwall Council Unanimously
The Stannary Parliament
Mick Paynter, Grand Bard, Cornish Gorsedd
Cornish Quest
Cornwall Talking
St Piran-in-Penwith
Cornwall Housing United Federation
Cornwall Gateway Community Network Area (encompassing Saltash & Torpoint Town Councils, and St Germans, Landrake, Landulph, Pillaton, Botus Fleming, Millbrook, Maker with Rame, Antony, St John and Sheviock Parish Councils)
Cllr D R Lucas Chairman North Devon Council
Saltash TC
St Germans PC
Sithney PC
Madron PC
Wendron PC
Perranzabuloe PC
Luxulyan PC
Launceston TC
Boyton PC
Week St Mary PC
Breage PC
Sancreed PC
Calstock PC
Looe TC
St Newlyn East PC
Callington TC
Truro CC
Morval PC
Crowan PC
Camborne TC
Zennor PC
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At 28th Oct 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:Graham/
Any chance we can find out why so many comments were censored yesterday and the games being played please. For example my comment 5 was hidden yesterday, why it reflects the antics of this minute group of people treading all over our (and I mean our) history and abusing it and making all Cornish people look foolish. It was on topic and reflective of the mass opinion of these people.
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At 28th Oct 2010, Andrew Jacks wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 16.
At 28th Oct 2010, P_Trembath wrote:I thought we lived in a democracy, and here he is talking about "controlling" people who say things he disagrees with.
Your opinion of what MK stand for is an opinion based on your own personal prejudices, and not one based in fact.
I am also intrigued as to how an Internet forum, open to all, has a "view"?
But what any of your post has got to do with compulsory voting, or anything else raised by the OP is beyond anyone of normal intelligence to fathom. What are your views on compulsory voting for all, do you agree that the whole electoral system is in dire need of updating, to make government more representative of the opinions of the general public?
Are you able to post a reasonable comment, one that does not revert to the usual "nat bashing" that seems to be all that some here are capable of?
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Andrew Jacks wrote:-
"BTW my comment was removed for moaning at the mod team, so should be hidden"
What, both of them?
It is not against "House Rules" to moan about, or at, the moderation team, so there would be a different reason for the removal of both of those posts.
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At 28th Oct 2010, Andrew Jacks wrote:I am not even sure the MK experiment of standing in general elections is working, or what it is they hope to realistic achieve, one thing is absolutely certain the Cornish people avoid them like the plague
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At 29th Oct 2010, Andrew Jacks wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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At 29th Oct 2010, Saltashgaz wrote:Curious the comments that remain for all to read
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