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Andrew Benson | 06:00 UK time, Thursday, 3 June 2010

is back on the Formula 1 calendar this year, to almost universal delight from both fans and those who work in the sport.

Because is such a vibrant, historic city, the race on the is one of the most popular among the teams and drivers.

For fans, even those who are not in Canada, the race also promises many delights - it is traditionally one of the most incident-packed races in the season.

Canada dropped off the schedule in 2009 because of a financial dispute between the organisers and F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone. But the last two events there have truly lived up to the race's reputation.

was centre-stage in both.

The then rookie sensation scored his maiden win in 2007, a race that also featured 's monumental crash. In 2008 the old karting rivals' fortunes were almost reversed as Hamilton retired after an embarrassing collision in the pit lane with 's , letting the Pole slip in for his own first win.

But neither of those races feature in what is our first classic races selection for Canada - the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ only taking the UK TV rights back from ITV last year.

Instead, to whet your appetites for the race on 13 June, we have chosen a mix of what we hope will show the very best of the Canadian Grand Prix.

Your job, as regular readers will know, is to tell us which one you think is the best. We will use those views to inform our choice as to which one to highlight next week in the run-up to the race.

That means that if the selected event is from the '³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ era' - ie before 1997 - we will broadcast the full 'Grand Prix' highlights programme shown on TV at the time, along with the shorter edits we cut for all the races.

So here's the selection:

1979 - After winning the inaugural race at what was then called the Circuit Ile Notre Dame in 1978 to become a national hero, did not repeat his feat the following year - but this was nevertheless one of the greatest drives by the man for whom the track was named after his death in 1982.

Gilles Villeneuve

Villeneuve to 's , who had dominated the second half of the season, and the Australian's car advantage was plain to see from the 0.7-second margin between himself and the Ferrari in qualifying.

But making one of the super-quick starts for which he was to become famous, Villeneuve edged ahead of Jones into the first corners - then a high-speed esses, which no longer features on the track, it having long ago been deemed too fast and dangerous.

That was the start of an intense race-long duel between the two men as they left the rest of the field behind.

Jones tracked Villeneuve, who was working wonders to keep the slower Ferrari ahead, until the Ferrari began visibly losing grip, and Jones finally sneaked ahead into the hairpin with 21 laps to go, the two rubbing wheels as the Williams took the lead.

After dropping back a little, Villeneuve regrouped and came back at his rival, and they spent the closing laps circulating in close formation, Jones crossing the line a second ahead.

1986 - a race that confirmed the superiority of the Williams-Hondas early in a season in which one of their drivers should have won the title. Equally, though, it demonstrated partly why they ultimately lost the championship to 's , then at the height of his powers in an inferior car.

Williams driver took a dominant victory from pole position, but Prost finished second, ahead of the Englishman's team-mate Nelson Piquet with a drive that, like Villeneuve's in 1979, was one of his best.

Qualifying only fourth, Prost moved ahead of Piquet at the start and immediately found himself being held up by 's , which had qualified on the front row.

Not in the mood to hang around, Prost pulled a quite superb overtaking move on the Brazilian which was particularly brave given Senna's already well established reputation for taking a no-compromise approach.

The Frenchman went around the outside of Senna into the first, right-handed part, of the flat-out-in-top Esses, and chopped across into the following left, forcing Senna to lift and put two wheels on the grass.

It was, as my former colleague put it at the time, "as cold-blooded a pass as any you will see" - and quite in contrast to the cautious reputation Prost developed, largely unfairly, later in his career.

1991 - from the sublime to the ridiculous for Mansell. He had dominated the race but got a bit carried away with himself on the last lap. Waving at the crowd, Mansell let the revs drop too low and the car stalled and, lacking enough power to drive the hydraulics, Mansell could not select a gear.

Jean Alesi gets a lift back to the pits from Michael Schumacher after the Frenchman took his only career F1 victory at the 1995 Canadian Grand Prix

He was out of the race with less than a mile to go, and a joyous Piquet - Mansell's bitterest rival - swept by to win the race for Benetton, and totally failed to hide his joy at the Williams man's mistake.

1995 - for a long time this was looking like another routine victory for as he marched inexorably to his second world title. But after dominating the race the German's Benetton suffered an electrical problem with 11 laps to go that left it stuck in third gear.

Schumacher pitted and the team, suspecting the fault was with the gearchange paddles, fitted a new steering wheel. This solved the problem, and Schumacher rejoined in fifth place, from where he set a series of fastest laps as he chased 's for fourth place.

Meanwhile, the lead was inherited by Ferrari's , and the Frenchman went on to score what turned out to be the only victory of his F1 career.

It sent the Ferrari-mad crowd wild as they witnessed the first win for one of the Italian cars in Montreal for 10 years.

They broke through the fences and invaded the track. Meanwhile, Alesi ran out of fuel on the slowing down lap and coasted to a halt at the hairpin, climbing out of his car and standing on its nose as it rolled to a stop.

He was given a lift back to the pits by Schumacher, an image that was given added poignancy when it emerged soon afterwards that Schumacher would be taking Alesi's seat at Ferrari the following year.

1998 - one of those races that has forged Montreal's reputation for providing non-stop action, this was an incident-strewn classic.

Alexander Wurz rolls his Benetton at the first start of the 1998 Canadian Grand PrixWurz's specacular crash was just the start of the drama in Montreal in 1998. Photo: Getty

There were two first-corner crashes - one at the re-start after had rolled his Benetton at the first green light; two safety cars; threw away the chance to emulate his father's victory on his home track with a crass error; and Schumacher won despite a 10-second penalty for driving Williams's clean off the track upon rejoining from the pits.

Quite a choice, I hope you will agree. I look forward to reading your responses.

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  • Comment number 1.

    1998 please. Pretty recent I know but just old enough to not be at the forefront of my minds eye.

  • Comment number 2.

    1979! What a great era the 1970s were!

  • Comment number 3.

    I would love to see the 95 race again with Jean Alesi winning. I always enjoyed watching Jean when he was on form. a real racer!

  • Comment number 4.

    Definately 1998 for me, an action packed classic!

  • Comment number 5.

    I don't care if it's the most recent, 1998 was an action-packed classic!

  • Comment number 6.

    That's a tough decision to make a choice out of any of that lot. That said, I'll go for 1979 - the sight of Villeneuve and Jones scrapping throughout the race is enough for anyone to call it a classic. It'll also show viewers how the track used to look (the start line was just after the hairpin in the old days).

  • Comment number 7.

    I'm going for 1995. It was the first F1 race I remember watching properly and I've always liked Ferrari since then. I haven't seen any extended highlights of the race since it was on so would like to see them again.

  • Comment number 8.

    I can't believe your not using 07 or 08, i was so looking forward to seeing highlights of those two

  • Comment number 9.

    1995 please.

  • Comment number 10.

    1979 please- great chance to see Gilles Villeneuve on his home circuit.

    Somewhere I still have the 1993 Canadian race in full. It wasn't particularly memorable except for Senna retiring late on, but it is James Hunt's last ever commentary for the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ, because later that Sunday night he suffered the heart attack that killed him. There's a great article from Autosport by Nigel Roebuck in tribute. Unfortunately you have be a subscriber to be able to read it in full; this is the list of Roebuck's top 50 articles where the list can be found anyway.

  • Comment number 11.

    No 2007 or 2008? Oh dear.

    I'll go for 1998, despite having seen it numerous times before.

  • Comment number 12.

    98 please, or if not then 95

  • Comment number 13.

    Yes, I'd like to see the 1998 race, or otherwise 1995.

  • Comment number 14.

    '86 for me, I want to see Prost's overtake.

  • Comment number 15.

    It has to be 1998 - absolutely terrific race wih action on every lap. Formula 1 was at its best in the late 90's

  • Comment number 16.

    I am absolutely stunned that 2007 has been omitted from this list, I know it would have only been a short ITV edit job, but still disappointing.

    Of the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ era choices, I vote for 1995 (Alesi's victory), although I look forward to watching the short form highlights of all the other events...

  • Comment number 17.

    Why couldnt you put the radio commentary over the 2008 video, or at least get Jonathan Legard to do another of the report style videos, with clips of Brundle's commentary - you have done both for other 'ITV' races already this season. I had really hoped 2008 would be included as 1 of the 5 for this.

    I guess Ill go for 1995 instead then (Its pointless voting for 1998, you get the same highlights whether it wins or loses)

  • Comment number 18.

    1979 sounds like the best race in this selection with a wheel to wheel battle for the lead, so that gets my vote.

    1998 was a fantastic race, but don't forget 'voting' for it here won't affect the 10 minute edit they produce, we can only see the earlier races in full highlights form.

  • Comment number 19.

    Got to be 1991 - what a dramatic last lap incident, great era, fantastic race!

  • Comment number 20.

    1979 1979 1979 1979 - no contest !

  • Comment number 21.

    1995...Alesi on form is always worth watching

    ...failing that 1986

  • Comment number 22.

    mmmmm - My purist heart longs for Villeneuve, but ultimately he lost. I like something a little more uplifting. Alesi's win in the ferrari was someone else's misfortune. But crashes - they lift the soul like nothing else - I'm voting for the crashes - 1998 carbon fiber festival please.

  • Comment number 23.

    Oh come on guys... we have to have Gilles!

  • Comment number 24.

    Andrew, will 1998 be coming with ITV commentary from Murray Walker and Derek Warwick? Note to those above - Brundle never commentated on the race. I'd like to think that 1998 will not be getting redubbed with Legard commentary.

    If it is, 1995 for me.

  • Comment number 25.

    1998 has to be first; for all the crashes and drama. having not seen any earlier ones, (born 1992), 1991 sounds jokes just for Mansell's blunder, and 1995 for an uncharacteristic show of sportmanship from Schumi.
    If I had to pick one, it'd be 1998.

  • Comment number 26.

    1995 definitely, every time. Not only did Jean Alesi get that one and only win, but he drove superbly throughout. I can clearly recall him overtaking team mate Berger going under the bridge whilst immediately in front of them both was David Coulthard doing a 360 spin! He then took Damon Hill cleanly into the hairpin a few laps later. Magnificent. Maybe Vettel & Webber should have a look at that to see how you overtake without taking your team mate out?

  • Comment number 27.

    1998 please..........

  • Comment number 28.

    Got to be 1979. If not, then 1986.

  • Comment number 29.

    1986 please, it's a race I've never seen before.

    I think we've all seen 1991 and 1998 enough, and whilst I'd enjoy laughing at Mansell, I still don't think it was his fault.

  • Comment number 30.

    Again, what a shame that a short-sighted approach is being taken to the 2007 & 2008 race. Indeed, a shame too that the 1998 race commentary will inevitably be rdubbed or similar.

    1995 it is then.

  • Comment number 31.

    Both 1998 and 1995 are races where I was just too young to recall them, 1998 sounds absolutely great, but I think, 1995 for me please.

  • Comment number 32.

    1998 without a doubt. Would love to see what Schumacher did :)

  • Comment number 33.

    1979 please - any chance to see a classic GV race greatly appreciated.

  • Comment number 34.

    1995 or 1998 for me. Both were fab.

  • Comment number 35.

    Andrew,

    "It sent the Ferrari-mad crowd wild as they witnessed the first win for one of the Italian cars in Montreal since their hero Villeneuve's in 1978."

    Rene Arnoux in 1983 and Michele Alboreto in 1985 both won for Ferrari in Montreal.

    Alesi was celebrating his 31st birthday on that day in 1995. I don't think I have ever been as close to shedding tears of joy at watching a motor race as I was when Crazy Jean took his only win. He last of an sadly extinct breed.

    My vote has to go with 1979, however. 18 drivers that started that race completed their careers with at least one Grand Prix victory, five of them won the Drivers Championship; what a classy field!

  • Comment number 36.

    1998 please

  • Comment number 37.

    It has to be 1995. A brilliant driver who deserved better in what was still a great career. And of course, Scumacher didnt win, which adds to the entertainment value straight away.

  • Comment number 38.

    Where's 1999! The 'Wall of Champions'! How could you leave that race out?!? Ok, my vote goes to 1998 - one of the best Canadian Grand Prix races I have ever seen.

  • Comment number 39.

    From the given list it can only be 1979!

  • Comment number 40.

    Montreal 1995 please.

    Jean Alesi should've won so many more races.

  • Comment number 41.

    1995.

  • Comment number 42.

    Gotta be 1995!!! Truly Special

  • Comment number 43.

    No Preference but thought I'd get a vote in for freeview ;-)

  • Comment number 44.

    It's 1998 for me please Andrew, an incident filled classic! It's great that Canada is back on the calendar this year, and the news that a race in the US is back for the 2012 season. If only from the point of view that these races, along with Brazil, take place in "prime time" in the UK and its a really good time to watch a Grand Prix. All we need now is another race in the US, to get back to the old US Grand Prix West and US Grand Prix East format plus a return to Argintina.

    Great reading as always!!!

  • Comment number 45.

    Can understand people not being happy that some races have been missed out, but there's been so many exciting Canadian races, that to choose just 5, and keep everyone happy, would be impossible. Also I think Andrew didn't want it to be 5 ITV races, which is understandable. I'm sure some of the races mentioned which have been missed this year will be included next year.

  • Comment number 46.

    1979 please!!!

    Remember folks there's little point in voting for 1998 for extended highlights because it was broadcast on ITV and the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ will only show short highlights of that race.

  • Comment number 47.

    1995 - I've never seen it so thats all and 1998 (which would have been my first choice) we'll get the same highlights either way so it's pretty pointless

    1995

  • Comment number 48.

    1986 please, 98 is probably the better race but I've seen it enough times as it is.

  • Comment number 49.

    1986, would like to see overtake

  • Comment number 50.

    I think it was 2007/8- when Takuma Sato slipstreamed and overtook Alonso.

  • Comment number 51.

    1995! I may be biased as Alesi was my childhood hero but still remember the race

  • Comment number 52.

    Although my favourite Canadian race was 1989, out of the listed choices I'd go for 1979, since it's one I've never seen.

  • Comment number 53.

    I vote 1995, great race for the Jordans that year. My second vote would be for 1998.

  • Comment number 54.

    1995, would love to see Alesi take his well overdue first race win, one of the most underrated drivers in F1 in my opinion.

  • Comment number 55.

    98 please, though they all sound great

  • Comment number 56.

    @ 30 - Jordan D. I doubt the commentary will be redubbed as Murray Walker was doing the commentating i believe. As he's technically part of the current ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ team, there's no need to re-dub.

    For me, 1998 is the best GP in my favorite F1 season, but i'm not going to vote for it.

    My vote goes for Alesi's victory in 1995.

    As ever Andrew, try and get these classics onto Freeview. They've as much right to be there as any of the other 'marginal interest' stuff looped on there.

    As ever, great feature and thanks for the effort.

  • Comment number 57.

    1995 please i would love to see Alesi's only victory evn thought it was a difficuit decison

  • Comment number 58.

    I'll vote for 1995. Alesi was my hero back then, such a passionate charachter (probably from being half itailan) and yet he never really delivered because his charachter always got the better of him. I think that was his best season for ferrari.

    I'd really like to see 1998 but i think that was during the ITV era so the highlights will be plain and dull (despite Murray's commentary)

  • Comment number 59.

    1991 please

  • Comment number 60.

    Idealy I'd like to see full highlights of all the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ era races ('98 was a good race as well.) but I'd have to plump for 1979 and '91 please

  • Comment number 61.

    1998 - and I am so glad that Canada is back on the calendar, great race, always action, and a track with concrete walls and not much run off to punish the drivers who make mistakes! and the incidents never seem to be small, added rain, and the lottery becomes infinite.. top 10 for 1 or 2 of the new teams!!! :)

  • Comment number 62.

    1979 please.

    Nice selection, but would have been even nicer to see something from a race at Mosport or Mont-Treblant too.

  • Comment number 63.

    @Swerve1(#56), at the same time though, Derek Warwick did commentary for that race, and he's not a member of the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ team (it was a 1 off, as Brundle was at Le Mans the same weekend), but you could argue that it was a 1 off, and that although it was with ITV, it was just a 1 off, and so they ought to be able to show the 1998 race with original commentary (ie Murray and Derek), after all, it's not like he was a regular commentator for ITV, it was an enforced change, much like Blundell replacing Brundle for the 1999 race for the same reason (Brundle at Le Mans), and so it shouldn't mean that the commentary should be redubbed in my opinion, but maybe Andrew would be so kind as to clarify this, and take into account it was an enforced 1 off change, and he wasn't a regular commentator.

  • Comment number 64.

    1979 please


    Andrew, will we ever get the truth about 1991? Both Newey & Mansell (unsurprisingly) said it was a transmission failure

  • Comment number 65.

    95 please

  • Comment number 66.

    1979 please.
    Would be good to see the orignal layout of the track and the 70's cars.

    Anyway, this could be all in vain as it won't be shown on FREEVIEW!!
    :(

    Andrew, prove ne wrong :)

  • Comment number 67.

    All very good choices despite no 2007 or 2008 (maybe next year guys!). Of the choices I'll go for Alesi's win in 1995 please, just because it was a special win for an exciting driver (and Schumacher didn't win!).

    However, as mentioned above, I am happy with all of them apart from poor old Nige in 1991. I was a massive Mansell fan and I remember being a very upset 6 year old watching my hero grind to a halt with victory only just up the road. What made it worse was that Piquet won, and he loved every minute of Nige's misfortune. I'm glad Nelson never won another GP after that though, so there is some justice ;-)

    Do you reckon there will be some footage of Kubica's crash in 2007 over the weekend??!! It's amazing that he came back and won the next year - a great F1 story. That's my vote for classic Canadian GP section in 2011...

  • Comment number 68.

    where is the 2007 race, it was lewis's first win, so that alone should have put it up there, plus it was in martin brundles words a "crazy race", 4 safety cars and one of the biggest accidents in formula one in recent years. if not the race put some clips from the race up or something!

  • Comment number 69.

    1979 please Andrew. Can't resist the opportunity to see the great Giles Villeneuve again.


    All my best

  • Comment number 70.

    i remember 1998 like it was yesterday, i remember jumping on my sofa when Schumi pulled out on Frentzen and Patrick Head started shouting abuse on the pitwall...lol

    1998 please, good memories!

  • Comment number 71.

    1979 please.

  • Comment number 72.

    Why not list 1985, Lotus on pole with Elio de Agelis, Senna next to him.

    Black and Gold cars in slots 1 and 2. Fantastic

  • Comment number 73.

    1986 on Freeview please.

  • Comment number 74.

    It has to be 1998!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE

  • Comment number 75.

    1979, how could we not watch Gilles?! Plus those cars were spectacular to watch.

  • Comment number 76.

    1998

  • Comment number 77.

    1995 please, it would be fantastic to see Alesi's well deserved victory, and also to hear the sound of those V12 Ferraris.

    I agree with other posts saying 98 was a classic but as it was in the ITV era there wont be proper highlights for it anyway so its pointless voting for it

  • Comment number 78.

    To post 35, yes, thanks for pointing that out. Can't believe they slipped my mind. Apologies for the brain fade, and the blog has not been amended.

  • Comment number 79.

    Er, that should be now, not not, obviously...

  • Comment number 80.

    As much as I loved seeing Alesi win in '95, that cannot compete with a race that contains the names:-

    Villeneuve, Scheckter, Andretti, Fittipaldi, Piquet, Jones, Regazzoni, de Angelis, Pironi, Patrese, Reutemann, Ickx, Laffite, Stuck, Arnoux etc.

    Therefore, after much consideration, I'll go for

    1. 1979
    2. 1979
    3. 1979
    4. 1979
    5. 1979

    Andrew, 1998 seems quite popular at the momemnt. If it wins the 'popular vote', will we still get a full ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ highlights programme for one of the other choices as we will only get a ten minute clips from ITV for '98?

  • Comment number 81.

    To post 64, what I've written is the truth about 1991. I've spoken to Patrick Head about it several times, as has my friend Joe Saward, who wrote this: .

    As for there being no 2007 or 2008, we can't win with you guys, can we?! One minute you complain about us putting in ITV races because there'll be no extended highlights, another you accuse us of always picking a "Hamilton race", another you don't like us not choosing a race that Hamilton won, even though there have been many better races in Canada, and the next you don't like the fact that we've deliberately limited the ITV choices despite all the great races that took place in those 12 years...

    Rest assured, there is plenty of Kubica planned for the TV coverage, and of course we will also talk over the weekend about this being the scene of two of Hamilton's landmark moments - as I mention in the blog.

  • Comment number 82.

    Tough choice but 1979 gets my vote.

  • Comment number 83.

    I would go for '98 but since we'll only get the short highlights for that one I'll go for 1995 please.

  • Comment number 84.

    Its a shame that Mosport or Mont Tremblant aren't on the list, buut i think that i would prefer to see the 1998 race, closly ahead of 1979.

  • Comment number 85.

    '79

  • Comment number 86.

    I was surprised at the apparent bias shown towards Button last weekend - he clearly disobeyed instructions (or deliberately misunderstood to his advantage) and even bickered with Hamilton in earshot of the cameras at the podium back room. That wasn't even touched on by your 'experts'. I imagine if Lewis had been the instigator it would have been top of your agenda after the Red Bull incident. I would feel exactly the same as Lewis in that situation and surprised the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ didn't examine it.



    P.S: 1998 for me, and I look forward to hearing from Kubica - I still remember that crash and being amazed he was able to race at the next event.

  • Comment number 87.

    I remember some years ago Autosport did a Newey interview/retrospective. Any idea why Newey persisted in saying it was a technical failure and not driver error?

    I could do with need getting my hands on Maurice Hamilton's book on Williams. Is out on paperback yet?

  • Comment number 88.

    My vote goes to '86.

    About 1991:

    If I recall correctly, wasn't there another theory that he accidentally hit a kill switch on the steering wheel, with his waving hand? I was far too young to appreciate F1 at that time, so I'm glad we will get to see a short video of it, because I've always wanted to hear Murray Walker's reaction!

    It's awfully funny but I still love the guy and I don't mean to belittle him like many cynics do. He's definitely ranked amongst my all-time favourite F1 drivers, and British sportsmen in general. Without his mistakes and his bad luck he would have been a 3 time champ. I love Mansell's grit and gusto that gave us moments like the 1987 British Grand Prix, a true classic of the sport. And his spectacular style, that's what really gets me with a sportsman, it's either the spectacular style (like Alex Higgins) or the fighting quality (like John McEnroe or Rafael Nadal), and Mansell had both! How I wish he'd taken that '86 title if only to knock Prost out of one of his titles! It's Senna that should have had 4 titles not Prost!

  • Comment number 89.

    1986 was a classic season, one of the best. So I'll go for that one. I have the FIA video for that (why don't they let Clive James commentate on modern F1? The viewing figures would rocket! Although the lawsuits probably would too...) but I don't remember seeing that move on Senna.

  • Comment number 90.

    Of all of them, 1998 is the best one though for longer highlights i'd like 1995 (I was going to go for 1991 but hardly anybodys going for it)

    PS Did Derek Warwick really commentate on the 1998 race? I rememmber MB doing the 1999 edition... must be too young to remember!

    Hope 2008 is included next year so I can marvel at Hamilton's gaffe! lol

  • Comment number 91.

    and the Joe Saward link is broken I think!

  • Comment number 92.

    1998 please. WHAT A (costly) RACE!

    I remember that one and have watched it numerous times for the sheer entertainment value. Love it!

  • Comment number 93.

    79 for me please (though its a great choice: would have liked an option from Mosport).

  • Comment number 94.

    1998 please

  • Comment number 95.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 96.

    1979 please

  • Comment number 97.

    #95.

    Eh? Have you gone bonkers? I'm sure over the number of years there'll be plenty of time to see canada 07. Although, if 08 was given a choice, you'd say it was a plot by showing a race that involved Mr. Hamilton screwing up...yada yada...

    1979 for me please Andrew.

  • Comment number 98.

    would people not vote for '98 as we know we won't get the extended highlights for it.

    1995 for me please

  • Comment number 99.

    1995 sounds good.

    (Would have voted 1998 before I read others saying it was ITV era. Andrew, any chance you can make this obvious for future posts? And thanks for the hard work you do - sorry that you can't win with us lot!)

  • Comment number 100.

    Depends - if full highlights (ie over half an hour) are available for 1979 that I'd like to vote for that, since we've not yet had a full highlights for that year yet.

    If only, say, 10 mins are available, then my next choice would be 1986.

    Hope that makes sense! :-)

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