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South Yorkshire People: Barry Hines
David Bradley and Brian Glover
Above: David Bradley as Billy Casper and the late Brian Glover as Mr. Sugden in the original film of "Kes".

Sheffield-based Barry Hines is the famed author of "A Kestrel for a Knave", amongst other novels. We caught up with him for an exclusive interview...

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An entertaining and charming man, Barry Hines, of 聭Kes聮 fame, agreed to be interviewed at his desk. This Barnsley/ Sheffield United fan wrote a number of novels and screenplays before and after 聭Kes聮 and he is in the process of writing 聭Springwood Stars聮, a novel about a football team in the 20s. He describes it as more dramatic and completely different to anything he has ever written before.

Barry Hines
Barry Hines wanted to write about real working-class people

His inspiration
He started to write, he says, because he read and wanted to read novels that, like Allan Sillitoe and Stan Barstow聮s work, had real working class men and women as their main characters.

His first novel was called 聭The Blinder聮. It was based to a certain extent on himself and his aspirations; an extremely academic footballer with 4 聭A聮 levels and the chance of playing for Manchester United. He says he wrote with more energy then and that those novels are so far away that he no longer feels they are anything to do with him.

Hines shies away from the whole 聭Kes聮 thing and finds it mildly amusing that people are still performing the play, a combination of modesty and real disbelief.

He says, 聭They聮ve done it in all sorts of ways, they聮ve even done a musical, all that聮s left is to do it on ice.聮

In Hines's opinion, the best thing he has written is a short play called 聭Two Men from Derby聮 which he claims 聭wrote itself聮. It was based on the experience of his granddad, who had a great talent for football but never realised his potential as he was a bit of a 聭Jack the Lad聮.

About Kes
Hines talks about how he came to choose a bird in the novel; he and his brother used to watch them nesting every year in a wall close to his home and they always wanted one. 聭They don聮t like to make eye contact,聮 he says of hawks, 聭they sulk, it makes them feel uncomfortable.聮

Although he claims the character of Billy is not him, he hints at a relatively wide knowledge of kestrels and their habits as is evident from the novel.

Hines kept baby magpies as a child and humorously related his experiences of stealing them from their nests (something he regrets now), fattening them up on scraps of food and having them flying around the house until they were strong enough to be set free, which would roughly coincide with the time his mother said 聭that bird has to go聮.

The bird would always sit on the windowsill outside and look in, he reminisces, before it finally flew away.

Barry Hines based his characters in 聭Kes聮 on stereotypical characters around him at the time and admits that he sympathises more with the character of Mrs Casper, the struggling mother trying to raise two boys and hold down a full-time job, now that he is an older man.

Barry Hines today
These days Barry Hines reads mainly American novels because of their 聭energy聮. He comments on the vigour of the language in these novels. Roddy Doyle, Philip Roth and Walter Mosely are among his favourite writers.

He also visits The Showroom regularly, continuing a lifetime of cinema going and says his writing technique is based on watching films. He calls it a 聭show and tell聮 style which gives the reader the opportunity to form his or her own thoughts and opinions.

Barry said his 聭bit of an office job聮, as an apprentice-mining surveyor, became a teaching job when Mr Hawksworth, a neighbour, showed disapproval for him working for the Rockingham Colliery near where he used to live.

Asked if he thinks there will be a remake of the film 聭Kes聮, Barry Hines shakes his head. Despite the main issues still being relevant today, he feels the original film is such a classic that it would be impossible to even attempt to re-create it.

- Paulette Edwards

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