Ouch Talk Show 60 – Christmas 2010 bbc.co.uk/ouch/podcast Presented by Mat Fraser and Liz Carr The Ouch Podcast is a download from the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ. For more information, and our terms of use, go to bbc.co.uk/ouch. MAT [Bells chiming] Chestnuts roasting on an open fire, Jack Frost nipping on your nose. LIZ Not a creature stirred, not even a mouse. MAT Later we'll have some pumpkin pie and we'll do some carolling eh? LIZ There's a Christmas party at the home of Farmer Grey it'll be the perfect ending to the perfect day. MAT The stars in the bright sky look down where he lay. LIZ Do they know it's Christmas time? [Bells chiming] EMMA It's the Ouch Christmas lunch show from the ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ with Mat Fraser and Liz Carr. MAT Potatoes? LIZ Check. MAT Turkey? LIZ Check. MAT Sprouts? LIZ Check. MAT Christmas pudding, prawn cocktail and mince pies? LIZ Check, check, check. MAT And how about the guests? LIZ Oh yes looks who's joining us in the studio, it's Simon Minty, hello Simon. SIMON Hi Liz. Hi Mat. MAT Hi. LIZ And of course Rob Crossan. ROB Hello to you both. LIZ Hello. Are you excited, are you as excited as us about Christmas? ROB Well I was until I came into the studio and then in years gone by we've had streamers, we've had, I think even one year, we had a little glass of Prosecco but this year, times are hard quite clearly... LIZ No Rob... MAT There's a half eaten mince pie behind you. ROB Oh is there. LIZ But later on a certain red faced old bearded gentleman might be joining us later from his snowy home. ROB Oh really! LIZ Yes. ROB And then will everything change? LIZ Yes. ROB Because you see what I've got in front of me... LIZ It's one mince pie. ROB ... it's a plastic tray with a used teabag and one mince pie. MAT Listen, listen it's not our fault that George Osborne brought in the cuts, okay? LIZ It's the austerity Christmas show. ROB And austere it most certainly is so far. LIZ Absolutely. MAT Something that can never be labelled at you Mr Minty, you're not an austere gentleman, you're a happy-go-lucky guy aren't you? SIMON Yeah, although that said, I have brought my own water in and I have a little plastic bottle of water, so it is a little bit desperate but... MAT They're revolting, Liz, they're revolting. SIMON I'm getting a bit excited. When the music, I love it when the Christmas music starts on the radio that's when I really start getting very excited. ROB Which one in particular, which song? SIMON My favourite probably Greg Lake I believe in Father Christmas which was a kind of '70s progrock version but, man, it's fabulous. MAT I'm more... SIMON I've just ruined it haven't I? MAT No I'm more of a Jona Lewie [singing] De, de, de de, de, de, de, de, de, de, de. SIMON Stop the Cavalry. MAT That's the one. But before we continue I believe we can happily announce that you are now, listeners, listening to the 94th most popular comedy podcast in the UK. LIZ Whoo!! Thank you very much listeners. MAT Keep telling your friends about us and maybe we'll be into the '80s by the New Year. LIZ We can only hope. ROB Do we know what number 95 is so we can go, "In your face!" LIZ And we'll be serving up our lunch today in three helpings; a starter, main course and pudding. So it's time to begin our Christmas festivities. [Jingle Bells] MAT We're about to serve up the starter now, is everyone hungry? ALL Hm-mm. MAT Good. What do you usually have for starter at Christmas? Simon? SIMON I don't think we do have a starter. I have had prawn cocktail once when we had lunch out for Christmas Day and I loved it, it was great, but normally we skip starters straight in. MAT Rob? ROB Smoked salmon. MAT Ooh! LIZ Smoked salmon. MAT Smoked salmon. LIZ That's what we do in the North West, that's how we roll. ROB That's the way we play the game. MAT I think I just used to have a champagne cocktail which is brandy and champagne in equal measures. But our starter today on the world's biggest disability talk show is a delicious radio bowl full of alphabet soup! LIZ Hm-mm. ROB Erm, what kind of Christmas dinner is this? MAT Well sit back and you'll find out. I will be your quiz master for this section and oh boy have I been waiting a long time for this. Just three questions before we begin. Is anyone here dyslexic? ALL No. MAT Has anyone here got a problem with flash photography? ALL No. MAT Does anyone here have a nut allergy? ALL No. MAT Then we begin. Here are the rules. It's a fast and simple parlour game. We're about to go through the alphabet starting with the letter 'A'. For each letter you need to come up with a word associated with disability right the way up to the letter 'Z'. We may force you to justify your word if the majority of people around the table don't understand what you're talking about or don't get it. The winner is the person who has the most amused me. That's right it's completely arbitrary and down to my sense of power. LIZ Why did you ask about the nut allergy? MAT Random questions to do with health and safety. LIZ Okay. MAT I've been hounded and pounded by health and safety for the last week. ROB You didn't ask if any of us were too drunk to operate heavy machinery. MAT No that's true. Are any of you too drunk to operate heavy machinery? ROB I am a bit yeah. MAT Oh [making buzzer sound] LIZ I wanted to play Christmas Vegetable, Vegetable or Vegetable. MAT Well it's my turn to be the quiz master, Liz, you're not the lady in power now. The man is in the power. LIZ Okay. MAT Let me see; who's going to start off this hilarity that may have all sorts of unforeseen and hidden pitfalls, with you three I wouldn't be surprised. I'll choose Liz, A? LIZ Amputee. MAT Nice. Rob, B? ROB Er... MAT I'll have to press you. LIZ Come on, you are one. ROB Blind. MAT Oh lovely. C, Simon? SIMON I have to do cripple, surely? Risky. MAT Fair enough. A bit cruel. SIMON I don't use that. I don't use it normally. MAT I'm going to go back the other way now because I'm going to have for you, Simon Minty, D? I wonder what he's going to choose? SIMON Dyslexia. MAT Ooh. Rob, what's next - E? ROB Eczema? MAT Hm. Liz, F? LIZ Flid. MAT Find me a proper one. LIZ Hey! MAT You threw me there. Me I'm going to take G on myself. Geographically incompetent. Sorry. Simon H? Let's keep it moving please. Have to press you. SIMON I'm going to have to pass. LIZ Halitosisly impaired. MAT Very good, thank you Liz. A bonus point for Liz Carr there. Rob, I? ROB Idiot? MAT Hm. SIMON Is it just any word now it hasn't really got to be... MAT No, no you're right Simon. LIZ What's that to do with disability? MAT That's a good challenge. Rob, I'm going to have to throw it back to you, something else other than the mere idiot. ROB Many people are often referred to pejoratively with mental disabilities are referred to pejoratively as idiots. SIMON That's true. MAT Point proved, made although rather ungainly. So J? LIZ For joints, joint problems, joints taken by people with MS. Joints generally. MAT Oh I get it very clever. LIZ Yeah! MAT Simon, K? SIMON Oh for crying out loud I'm really struggling with this game. K. MAT K. Kaleidoscope. SIMON Kick something. No. MAT Throwing it open to the others? LIZ The knickerbox that incontinents have to wear. MAT She's good. Oh she's got two bonus points. Rob, LIZ? ROB Lymphoma. MAT Good. M, Simon? SIMON Multiple sclerosis. MAT N, Liz? LIZ Narcolepsy. MAT O, Rob? There's an awful hiatus. I'm going to start this again. ROB Optician. Ophthalmologist? Eye problems. MAT I'm going to start this again for anything purposes now. O, Rob? ROB Ophthalmologist. MAT What actually is one of those and how is it disabled? ROB It's do with eye treatments, if you have poorly eyes you go to the Opt whatshernick? What are they called? MAT I might have to take half a point away, sorry. P, Simon, P? SIMON Penis extension. MAT Is that a disability? SIMON I don't know but I keep getting told I can have it cured. MAT Q, a Q, Rob. ROB Q? MAT Going back the other way now, Liz. ROB Quantitative easing of disability payments. LIZ Ooh now I like that. MAT That was a good one because it... LIZ Clever! MAT ... was wordy and clever despite the fact that you've been up for 36 hours. Well done. Liz, R. LIZ Rickets. MAT Ricketts, that's a great one. LIZ Thank you. MAT An old fashioned one. Can we have more Edwardian impairments please? S, Simon? SIMON Spasie, spastic I'm afraid. ROB Oh can I go the Victorian one? LIZ Yes. ROB Shingles. LIZ Can I do one? MAT Very good. LIZ Scurvy. MAT All right enough of the Victorian impairments all right? ROB Septicaemia? MAT There's so many. All right stop. T, Liz, T? LIZ Tetraplegic. MAT Okay that's very good. U, Rob, U? ROB Urinary infection? MAT Nice. Well depends really doesn't it, Simon? SIMON Well not to have it. MAT V. Simon Minty V. SIMON I'm concentrating. What about varicose veins? Varicose veins? MAT Going to W, Liz? ROB Water on the... LIZ Water on the brain? MAT We're rounding into the last three now. X, Rob, X? ROB Well do I have to say x-ray? You would probably have an x-ray at some point in your disability life wouldn't you? MAT I'll let you off with that, it's a little weak but I'll let you off. Y, Simon Y? SIMON Exactly. Why? MAT Why? SIMON Yellow Fever. MAT Very good. SIMON Thanks very much. MAT Yes it's an international disability and we like those. SIMON Exactly. MAT And finally, Liz, the last one goes to you Z or Zee as they'd say in America. LIZ Zimmer frames. MAT Very good. LIZ Thank you. MAT I have to say you're all wonderful. I laughed at the introduction of old fashioned impairments that was very impressive. But considering two extra points were taken I'm going to have to, although it might seem a little biased to the listeners, give it to my co-presenter, Miss Elizabeth Carr. Oh Mrs Elizabeth Carr. LIZ Thank you. MAT Good game. Good game. LIZ It was great fun. What's next? [We Wish You A Merry Christmas] It's time for our main course and other than the little baby Jesus who else would you say is the centre piece of our midwinter festival? No it's Father Christmas and he's on the line. Father Christmas? TOM Hello there, Liz. Ho, ho, ho everybody, boys and girls I'm here with you today. LIZ Oh happy Christmas. Thank you for taking the time to talk for us. It's your busiest time of year. TOM Oh it's very busy the World Elf Organisation ho, ho, ho and there's loads of snow, it's terrible it could almost be England. LIZ I believe that you're calling from Switzerland is that right? TOM Yes, yes that's where the World Health Organisation is, or rather I should say World Elf Organisation. LIZ Oh you are funny. MAT I get it. TOM Problems with our elves, they're all on strike this year! LIZ No why? TOM Well I don't know it might be something to do with the fact that I've frozen their benefits. LIZ Why aren't you up at the North Pole or Lapland I thought you'd be there? TOM Well have you all not heard - global warming it's terrible. I'm telling Rudolph and the other boys we're going to have to replace them with dolphins next year. MAT You will never replace Rudolph... LIZ Never. MAT ... my favourite and only disabled reindeer, long may you ride him. TOM Well I may have to pull him out to ice I must say. LIZ Well Father Christmas? TOM Yes. LIZ Can I... we've got some people who'd love to talk to you okay? TOM Fantastic. You haven't got any little children for me have you? LIZ I have. Callum, are you there, Callum? CALLUM Yeah. LIZ Hi, Callum! CALLUM Hi. LIZ Would you like to talk to Father Christmas? CALLUM Yeah. LIZ Okay. Well you can ask him any question you'd like. Father Christmas, this is Callum. TOM I think I'd better ask Callum a question first. Callum, Callum now have you been a good boy? CALLUM Yeah. TOM You've been very good all year? CALLUM What? Yeah. TOM I hope you have. Now, Callum, what would you like Santa Claus to bring you this Christmas? CALLUM Can I have a book? TOM Oh very good, Callum, a book. Any book, any book at all? What about the Yellow Pages would you like that? CALLUM Uh? The Hen. TOM Oh no problem about that, I've got loads of copies of that still left, we can get you one of those, no problem at all. Anything else you'd like? A game person perhaps? A gameboy I think that's what they're called, or a game help? CALLUM Pardon? TOM Oh I can bring you anything you like, Callum, just write it on a list, write it on a list perhaps leave it with your mother or your father, I'll pick it up and I'll do what I can. MAT Callum, have you got a question that you'd like to ask Father Christmas? CALLUM What? How many reindeer have you got? TOM Oh well I've had a few problems with my reindeer this year but basically I've got eight. CALLUM Eight reindeers? TOM But seven of them are... CALLUM Mum, he's got eight reindeer. TOM I've got eight yes. LIZ Oh Father Christmas. TOM Yes, yes Liz. LIZ Can you name all eight of your reindeer? MAT Yeah. TOM I wouldn't like to take too much time up and we've had some changes in the names but of course there's Rudolph, there's Donder and Blitzen and all the others and very lovely reindeer they are too. LIZ Have you got an assistance reindeer, Father Christmas? TOM I've got a personal assistance reindeer yes. She has to get me up in the morning you see, I'm very, very lazy and very fat in fact, enor--... Callum, Callum have you got a chimney? CALLUM Chimney? TOM I'm not coming down any chimneys anymore I'm a bit too fat, you see, I've been eating too many mince pies and lasagne ho, ho, ho and I get a bit claustrophobic coming down chimneys these days. In fact I got stuck in Godalming last year so I'm not doing it ever again, no I'm coming in through the front door. But I'll knock first. MAT Can't you just send one of the elves down, Father Christmas? Surely they'd fit wouldn't they? LIZ They're smaller aren't they? TOM They're on strike, they won't do it. There's something about, you know, I don't know child workers or something like that, some nonsense about things... I don't know. LIZ Well Father Christmas I think it's probably bedtime at Callum's house but Callum. CALLUM It's bedtime. LIZ Callum, thank you so much. TOM Goodnight Callum, and you sleep well and still believing in Christmas. CALLUM Thank you! TOM Still believing in Santa that's what I like to see. Good for you. LIZ Callum, would you like to wish Father Christmas, a merry Christmas? CALLUM A Merry Christmas! TOM A Merry Christmas to you too. MAT A Merry Christmas to all the little children everywhere. LIZ What is your favourite... what would you like people to leave for you when you pop around to drop off their presents then, Father Christmas? TOM I like a satsuma. LIZ You're health conscious? TOM Oh very health conscious ho, ho, ho. MAT But Santa... TOM Yes. MAT Sorry while we're having our banter with Santa. TOM Oh banter with Santa that's very good. As I say you put the rap into wrapping paper ho, ho, ho. LIZ Santa, so what is in your sack this Christmas? TOM In my sack there's books for good little boys like Callum. There's lots of things; batteries, there's baubles to put on your tree. I'm sure you'd like some baubles on your tree, Liz. LIZ Oh yes. TOM I like to put the ching in... LIZ Those days are gone to be honest Father Christmas. MAT We have to pause. LIZ I want to sit on your knee. Is that wrong? MAT Did you hear me, Liz. LIZ So I think now we've got somebody else on the line. It's Kirit, is that right? Kirit? KIRIT Yeah. LIZ Hello, Kirit. TOM Hello Kirit how are you? MAT It's Father Christmas, Kirit. KIRIT I'm fine. SANTA Oh I'm very pleased to hear that, Kirit, I'm so excited to talk to you. Now how is your mama, is your mama well? KIRIT Yep. TOM Excellent. Now I need you to tell me something because I have a sledged, I'm very, very excited about my sledge but I think you've got a special sledge, tell me about that. KIRIT Well I think what about if we join both sleighs together then we can deliver the presents together? TOM Oh that will be an excellent idea, Kirit what a wonderful idea. I could do with some extra help. But I was told that you and your mother go sledging in her wheelchair. Is that true? KIRIT Yes. TOM It sounds awfully fun. Do you could hitch a ride? KIRIT Yep. TOM I suppose it's good going down a slope but it's not very good going up the slope is it? KIRIT Yeah. TOM Well I've got reindeer you see, Kirit, and I could bring my reindeer, we could hitch them to the front of your mother's wheelchair, we could just jolly well push up to the top again. LIZ Kirit, what would you like for Christmas? KIRIT A santa suit. A new DVD. LIZ Okay. KIRIT And... TOM You don't want much do you? KIRIT And a Christmas cake. TOM Oh Christmas cake I love Christmas cake. MAT I love Christmas cake. Can I have some of it, Kirit, if you get some? KIRIT Yeah. MAT Thanks. TOM Now, Kirit, tell me one more thing... KIRIT And mummy's going to come to my nativity play. TOM I've been told about this nativity play but I'm very curious, Kirit, I want to know which role you're playing. Are you the hedgehog? KIRIT No. I'm... TOM Are you the platypus? KIRIT What? TOM What role are you? KIRIT I'm going to be a King in the Christmas play. TOM Oh you're a king, King Kirit, that's fantastic news. ISABELLE That's what you name means King, Kirit means King. TOM Oh Kirit means King King. KIRIT My name means King as well. TOM You're King King. MAT Hi Kirit's mum. TOM Maybe you could marry a queen and you could have lots of princes and princesses, we've got a few of those haven't we? KIRIT Yep. LIZ Kirit, we're going to have to let Father Christmas go because he's very busy. So would you like to say... TOM I've enjoyed talking to Kirit. LIZ I know but you've got so much work to do it's Christmas. MAT And plus it's very, it's pretty late in the evening for somebody like Kirit to still be up. TOM That's very true. And there are three hundred million disabled children out there I've got to speak to them all tonight. LIZ Oh my goodness. MAT You'd better get on with it then Santa. So perhaps you'd like to say goodbye to Santa, Kirit, and Santa can say goodbye to you. KIRIT Bye, Santa. TOM Bye, Kirit, be good. Bye Isabelle, be careful on that chair now. ISABELLE Bye. LIZ Have a good Christmas. MAT Bye, bye Isabelle and Kirit. And bye Santa. Bye. TOM Happy Christmas everybody. Happy Christmas. LIZ Happy Christmas. TOM Happy Christmas. [Oh We Three Kings] MAT Oh I'm feeling quite full after my main course, Liz, but I think I could fit in a ridiculously elaborate and over the top pudding, what do we have Liz? LIZ Ladies and gentlemen, soon we'll be playing you out with a rendition of 'In the Bleak Midwinter' sung beautifully by Victoria Oruwari. You know what she's blind, it's okay. I have to say that because otherwise the listeners might know, you know. MAT Okay. LIZ But before that it's a serious treat - you may have heard of Tiny Tim, the little cripple boy from Charles Dickens' 'A Christmas Carol', well have you ever wondered what happened to him after Scrooge turned good and heaped riches on the poor surprised Cratchit family, it's over to the ghost of Charles Dickens to tell us in our play 'A Christmas Respite'. [Bells chiming] SIMON They say I helped the world rediscover Christmas with my simple morality story in 1843. 'A Christmas Carol' told of how the cold heart of Ebenezer Scrooge was melted by the spirits of the season. But there was only one truly good soul in my tale that of the poor cripple boy Tiny Tim Cratchit. On this Christmas of 2010 the Ouch players have an even sorrier story to tell. Tiny Tim and his goodness and his self patronage have all disappeared and been replaced by something altogether more bitter. [Singing: God Rest You Merry Gentlemen] A penny in my pot for the poor this eve of Christmas, Mr Cratchit Junior Sir? LIZ Bah humbug be off with you. MAT Oh we'll have none of that, give the nice man a coin and let him on his way. SIMON Thank you gentlemen. [door closing] LIZ Ebenezer, I wish you'd stop undermining me. Since you became my carer after all that Christmas goodwill malarkey a few years back you've become insufferable. MAT How can you be so heartless, Tiny Tim, I gave up my accounting shop to look after you fulltime. LIZ I really wish you hadn't. MAT I had no choice. The ghost of Christmas Present showed me that my miserliness could lead to a bad end for you. LIZ The ghost of what? MAT I've told you before, this dream thing happened to me. And he was the second of the ghosts to visit after the clock chimed twelve and he said he foresaw an empty seat in the chimney corner and a crutch without an owner. I think he was trying to tell me you may not have lived to see another Christmas if you'd remained in such poverty. LIZ So let me just get this right in my head - I would have died if you'd stayed bad, right? MAT Yes that's right. LIZ You've got quite an ego haven't you? MAT Tiny Tim I couldn't let that happen to you. LIZ My dad thinks you were lying about all that. MAT Lying? LIZ He reckons you were getting lonely in your old age and wanted a family to adopt you. MAT Bob said that? LIZ He did. MAT But I've brought nothing but goodness to you, your dad and your mother ever since. LIZ Oh and we're all getting sick of turkey. It was nice on that one day yeah 'weirdo Scrooge flip day' as mum calls it but getting the butcher to deliver us a new giant bird every lunchtime, well to be truthful, it's made us all sick to death of everything that Christmas used to hold. MAT No! Not sick of Christmas I don't want to hear it. LIZ It's true. We-are-all-sick-to-absolute-death-of-Christmas. MAT Here let me wipe the sputum from your mouth. There all better now little man. Do you need to do poo poos? LIZ Forgive me for saying this, I know you've turned from bad to good, I know you now embody kindness, compassion, charity and benevolence, I know you had one god almighty shock to the system a few Christmases ago but you're driving me INSENSIBLE! ROB [door opening] Why hello, what is this cursed row? MAT Oh it's nothing, Bob. Tiny Tim is just having a cripple bitterness moment, you know how they get. I can forgive him. LIZ Dad, Ebenezer keeps going on about the ghosts. ROB Now, now, Ebenezer, we've spoken about this before please stop scaring Timmy with all this past, present and future stuff or we'll be having to contact Bedlam to have you banished from circulation. LIZ And it's bedlam down there in Bedlam. MAT [crying] Oh. I know the carer and cared for relationship can be difficult Bob, but I'm finding it incredibly difficult looking after your son. LIZ Why can't I have a nice young lady to look after me? All my other little crippled pals have comely young lady care wenches and fall asleep each night with dreams of accidentally rubbing against their rude bits, not about blinking ghosties. ROB Timmy is not so pleasant as he might be. I'm aware of his recent alteration, Mr Scrooge, but perhaps now is the moment to mention that we're thinking of letting you go. MAT [gasps] Letting me go! ROB I'm afraid so. MAT But it's the night before Christmas. You can't leave me alone tonight of all nights, you know it holds bad memories for me. ROB Yeah and that's another thing - Mrs Cratchit, Timmy and I are quite disturbed that you creep into our bed every Christmas Eve. LIZ "Ooh the ghosts are going to get me, please oh please let me under your covers or I might wet myself." MAT Enough. Okay, okay I shall be gone. Goodbye everybody. [Walking away] Goodbye now. Merry Christmas to you all. Goodbye. I don't have to go. I'm going. Goodbye Timmy. LIZ Goodbye Ebenezer Scrooge, have a Merry Christmas on the streets - we're all off to Orlando it's much warmer there. God bless us every one. SIMON And here ends our play. The twisted bitterness of a small crippled child destined to amount to very little in Victorian Britain pushes an old man out on the streets at the most loving and giving time of the year. Gentle listener, be nice to your dearest ones, your colleagues, your friends, the stranger who you give a nod to, and be sure to leave a Christmas box for your carer. They don't get a day off on the holiest and most peaceful day of the year or something. [In the Bleak Midwinter] MAT Hm especially poignant listeners because outside as we record this it literally is a snow blizzard and very, very Christmassy. That is the end of our Christmas lunch show. Thanks to Rob Crossan, Simon Minty, Tom Shakespeare. LIZ Ho, ho, ho. MAT The kids, Lady Allen Playground, Victoria Oruwari and the production team: Damon Rose, Emma Tracey, Dan Slipper and Tony Baker. LIZ We'll be back between Christmas and New Year for a look back on 2010 and a look forward to all things disability in 2011 in the company of ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ disability affairs correspondent, Peter White, and former paralympian, Baroness Tanni Grey Thompson, don't miss it. Maybe you can listen to it on the new MP3 player you got for Christmas. MAT Then we'll be back again in the New Year around the 12th of January. Until then, goodbye. LIZ AND MAT And Merry Christmas everyone. [In the Bleak Midwinter]