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Kosovo celebrates Independence Day

Mark Mardell | 23:37 UK time, Saturday, 16 February 2008

They had waited so long but just couldn鈥檛 wait any longer to celebrate independence. The streets of Pristina have been filled with people cheering and shouting, with cars honking their horns in a continuous cacophony.
Children celebrating in Kosovo
They drive round and round draped in flags, young men perched precariously on the roofs jiggling up and down with joy. In the midst of mayhem, an old man closes his eyes and reverentially kisses a scarf emblazoned with the word 鈥淜osovo.鈥 And you can see my TV report here.

Two young women drive, clapping their hands in time with the Turkish-style pop blaring out of the speakers.

A man in full, white Albanian national costume stands stock-still on the top of a car driving along. Cynics might see the gingerly-driven car, an Albanian flag on its bonnet, the stars and stripes totally and utterly obscuring the windscreen, as a metaphor for an uncertain future.

鈥淭he message is clear," says one man wearing a T-shirt bearing a single upright finger and the words 鈥淏ye bye Serbia ".

Another young man is even more succinct. When I ask him what he thinks he replies with three words, one Anglo-Saxon. Only 鈥渙ff鈥 and 鈥淪erbia鈥 are printable.
Awaiting a declaration of independence near the Kosovo parliament

When I say that I can鈥檛 broadcast that, and can he put it another way, he thinks and puts the word 鈥淪erbia鈥 first, followed by the rest.

The authorities desperately hope there is no in-your-face provocation towards the Serb minority here.

Awash with flags

is awash with flags, determined to party.

This place is never short of flags, but now is ubiquitous. In , some cars have twin miniature flags discreetly flying from their bonnets, others go the whole hog and have a huge flag draped across the boot.

I鈥檓 told that an incredible 80 tonnes of fireworks have been brought in and distributed all over the country. I watch as a team of women spread cream and chocolate on sections of a giant cake that is intended to feed 30,000 people. It took 11,800 eggs. You can鈥檛 make a nation without breaking more than a few eggs, apparently.

About 40 miles from the capital, I come across a group of men determined to put up a banner reading 鈥淐elebrate independence!鈥 across the road, hanging it from a half constructed building, flags flying predictably from every corner.

Even the cement mixer by its side has a large flag attached, and the men argue amiably about the best way to get the banner up as lorries and coaches get entangled in it as they pass.

What does independence mean to them? One man tells me: 鈥淭his day is for all citizens who want to be free. So many people gave their lives and sacrificed so much for this country.鈥

Four flags

Although the black eagle is everywhere, this Independence Day is a tale of four flags. Cars and buildings also fly and . Kosovo is one of the few places in the world that people will shake you firmly by the hand and thank you for Britain鈥檚 support.

This day may have been along time coming, but the majority Albanian population know that it was the bombing campaign against Serbia that insured that they would and could one day split from that country.

As I get ready to do a piece to camera in , one man comes up to thank my country, and give me a firm handshake.
Child with Albanian flag
鈥淚t鈥檚 the most momentous moment for the Albanians here, because we had 500 years of occupation from a really terrible, horrendous occupier,鈥 he says. 鈥淭here鈥檚 been so much bloodshed that now we鈥檙e really happy.鈥

Formally what happens today is that the Prime Minister calls MPs together and parliament approves a bunch of laws described . And then he will declare independence and the party will begin with classical music and later those fireworks.

There are government notices everywhere, including on the back of free T-shirts, asking people to 鈥渃elebrate with dignity鈥. And I鈥檝e heard they are also asking everyone to go home shortly after midnight. Informally it might be rather more raucous than that, as joy is unbound.

Day of tragedy

Of course not every one who lives here feels that way. For many Serbs this is a day of tragedy.

In Mitrovica it is just a short walk across a bridge to the Serbian side of town, over-looked by French snipers and Nigerian UN soldiers. Here, of course, there is no bunting, nothing hanging from cars.

Under a rather tattered Serbian flag there is some building work going on. I ask a man shovelling bricks into a wheelbarrow what independence will mean for him. He frantically shovels more bricks and says that he will stay and work, work hard.
French soldiers laying razor wire on the bridge at Mitrovica
As for independence, he says, it鈥檚 like him coming to my house and saying that it is his. A teenaged boy interjects: 鈥淲e may celebrate: with guns鈥.

I ask him what he means. He says that if the Albanians try to bring their celebration across the bridge, to taunt them, they will be ready to defend themselves. But I think the Serbian mood is as much sorrow as anger.

Today is a big day, an emotional day. But how much difference will independence make? Kosovo will declare independence today, but in a sense that is independence from the United Nations, because in reality it has not been ruled from Belgrade for nine years.

While Serbs may regard it as legally part of their country, for nine years there have been borders, and checks on documents between Serbia and Kosovo.

Equally in the north of Mitrovica, and other parts of Kosovo where Serbs live, they use their own currency and under the plan they will have a great deal of autonomy. Of course this does beg the question why they can鈥檛 choose to be part of Serbia if ethnic Albanians have the right to live in a new country.

EU flag

I wrote that this was a tale of four flags. The fourth flag is , which again you see hanging from every third building. Indeed I鈥檓 told Kosovo鈥檚 official flag will probably be pretty much like the EU flag with a map of the country inside the golden stars.

Some might think that rather justly symbolic: Kosovo will have a sort of independence but within parameters set down .
Kosovo Albanian boy with EU flag on a bridge near town of Kacanik
Diplomats are very keen to stress that today does not see the United Nations hand over to the European Union. Whereas , the EU will just be there to keep an eye on things. But the EU can, in the end, tell the government what to do and what not to do in certain areas.

One senior EU source puts it like this: 鈥淲e have a big stick. But that big stick is locked in a safe in the cellar. And it would take a lot to make us get the keys out and go downstairs. But we can do it.鈥

One of the most important people around here is who is at the moment in charge of planning the EU police mission, the biggest task the European Union has ever undertaken.

EU protectorate

I ask him if the arrangement doesn鈥檛 make Kosovo an EU protectorate, or even colony.

鈥淚t鈥檚 been a protectorate up until now but the responsibility is theirs now,鈥 he says. 鈥淭hey are the new government, it鈥檚 for them to deliver results. Whatever we鈥檙e here to do, it鈥檚 not to leap in and take decisions on their behalf, but to work with them to make it clear that they are the ones in charge.鈥

It is more than simply ironic that, with the EU taking on such a big burden, it cannot get its act together. At tomorrow鈥檚 foreign ministers meeting there will be a smooth papering over the cracks, and then about 20 countries will recognise Kosovo.

That would leave seven not really on board for what some might see as the EU鈥檚 biggest project to date. But for the time being, that is not what is most important.

The next 24 hours will bring reaction from all around the world. But what happens here, on the ground, is what is vital. Let鈥檚 hope the only fireworks are part of the celebratory display.

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  • 1.
  • At 11:06 PM on 16 Feb 2008,
  • Micheal wrote:

鈥淚t鈥檚 the most momentous moment for the Albanians here, because we had 500 years of occupation from a really terrible, horrendous occupier,鈥 he says.

This man obviously is trying to mean the Serbs. But wait, Kosovo was only remade part of Serbia in 1912 when Serbia got its full independence from the Ottoman empire and reclaimed the lands that the Ottomans annexed from them.

So what is this guy talking about? The Ottomans have been in charge in Kosovo for some 400 years of the past 500.

Just goes to show how brainwashed these people are. You and your western media, anti serb rehtoric which is now so boring as we can all see through it.

  • 2.
  • At 11:27 PM on 16 Feb 2008,
  • Slavisa wrote:

God knows that Kosovo is Serbian land, from XI century and earlier Serbs made the first Kingdom on the Kosovo. They made almost thousands of monastery and churches. They made Prizren, the city where Serbs kings rules with a land from Aegean Sea to Adriatic Sea. This is not the mith this is the true. Also the true is that Albanians came to Kosovo after World War 2, and Serbs accepted them as peoples in trouble and what Serbs now get from them? Murders, exodus, and the last act, they took Serbs land. Shame on you Europe, shame on you UK, USA, France... you will never has allies in Serbs again.

  • 3.
  • At 11:36 PM on 16 Feb 2008,
  • Naser Buzhala wrote:

Dear Mark,

As always great piece. I believe Kosovars deserve a better life,peace and a state.I am an albanian from Kosovo living here in the uk. Our generation is lucky to be present during this historic day where Kosovo will be a new state in Europe.

  • 4.
  • At 11:45 PM on 16 Feb 2008,
  • betimi wrote:

Independence Day, is a really dear and good word, however it would be much better to replace it with the words: Liberation Day, because this is what it really means. After almost one hundred years of horror, and darkness Kosova is once again free, free, and the lights are on again. A bit too late though, for thousands of those who were brutally murdered, including my uncle, who was taken from his home and never seen again. I hope they hear and see us celebrating and mourning. I know, now they will rest in peace.

  • 5.
  • At 11:51 PM on 16 Feb 2008,
  • Al wrote:

Well thanks for the report Mark, looks like you are going to be in Kosovo on historic day of Indipendence.

I hope you enjoy the celebrations.

Long live Free Kosovo, now may peace and prosperity may rein.

  • 6.
  • At 12:03 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Alan K. Farrar wrote:

Parting is such sweet sorrow!
Welcome to the world of self-determination and true responsibility.
Flags are a symbol - of statehood - which requires the Kosovo population to take care of all its citizens.
The politicians there have a chance to not play the ethnic card!

(Third and final attempt to send)

  • 7.
  • At 12:20 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Fadil wrote:

United Kingdom and God saved Kosovo from Serbija.

I also want to thank England on name of Kosovo for their support and friendliness.

  • 8.
  • At 12:46 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Richard wilson wrote:

This is disgusting. You praise people who since the early 1980's----recall David Binders articles and Mavrine Howe excellent reports--- about the harassment, murders, pogroms, and eventually expulsions of the Serbian population by racist Albanians seeking a Greater Albania. You conveniantly neglected this . Why? Disgusting. Any group that becomes a majority through these means deserve problems, reporters like yourself who make excuses for their racism(300,000 Serbs driven out since 1986, 180,000 Roma since 1999) and fight for a 100% ethnically pure state are nothing but latter day Celines and Pounds.

  • 9.
  • At 12:57 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Neil McGowan wrote:

Mardell's piece couldn't be more biased if it tried.

He's really a disgrace to the 成人快手.

  • 10.
  • At 01:10 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Esmeralda wrote:

Amazing (or perhaps not) - that apart from a few human rights organisation - no one is talking about the cultural genocide of multi-cultural Kosovo/a. Serbian nationalism has been effectively replaced with Albanian nationalism, under the guidance of Western powers. The story of Kosovo was not just about Serbs v. Albanians, but it was about the co-existence of a multitude of ethnic groups, nearly about 100,000 of them apart from Serbs - including vibrant communities of Turks, Gorani, Romanies, Bosnians, etc. Does the EU have a viable plan for 'ethnically cleansed' minorities who wish to return to their homes and hometowns? One suspects not.

A big thank you to Americans, British and EU for their wonderful support.

Thank you.

The lights are on for a new Kosovo.

  • 12.
  • At 02:46 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Naser Buzhala wrote:

Dear Mark,

As always great piece. I believe Kosovars deserve a better life,peace and a state.I am an albanian from Kosovo living here in the uk. Our generation is lucky to be present during this historic day where Kosovo will be a new state in Europe.

  • 13.
  • At 03:03 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • nik wrote:

Despite what some serbs claim, or try to justify their views on Kosovo, the number of albanians that came to Kosovo after WW2 is minimal and completely insignificant. Albania's borders where closed by Enver Hoxha, and noone could go in or come out of Albania.

The claim that most of albanians came to Serbia after WW2 is ridicuoulus.

In 30 years of my life in Kosovo I have not met a single man or woman over 65 years old, who was born in Albania and moved to Kosovo during Tito regime.

My father, mother, my grandparent, my great grandparents, my great great grandparent, were born and buried in Kosovo. Thats the case for most albanians that i know.

I would suggest to serbs and others that believe the propaganda about migration of albanians, to come to Kosovo and find out the facts for themselves.

I know the truth hurts, but BOTH albanians and serbs have had a presence in Kosovo for centuries, and albanians have been a majority for at least the last 200 years.

  • 14.
  • At 03:29 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Ned wrote:

Now 成人快手 can witness everything. Who, in reality, ethnically cleansed who? 500,000 Serbs were systematically cleansed out of Kosovo. 103 churches and monasteries were destroyed. The same thing happened in Croatia (300,000 were expelled). Just because America wanted it, the rest of the countries have to agree. My father and the rest of the working people gave from every pay cheque, for 40 years, 4% to rebuild Kosovo. Kosovo is and will be Serbian culture and Serbian history. Albanian extremists are giving an example for the rest of the world. It looks like instead of Great Serbia, how west once said, thanks to the European Union, we will get Great Albania. What an example for democracy.

  • 15.
  • At 03:35 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Dragan wrote:

Illegal act masterminded by criminal US government.

No UN support for bombing of Serbia in 1999, no UN support now.

Serbia will wait for the better days, and come back. My childerns are getting their lessons already.

  • 16.
  • At 03:43 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • joseph wrote:


Well done West. After ethnically cleansing Croatia from Serbs you are doing the same in Kosovo. Breaking the
international law does not matter.
Might is right. Anti Serb propaganda and
anti Serb racism is well and alive in democratic EU and US.

  • 17.
  • At 03:47 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Dragos Neacsu wrote:

So, in other words, the West has supported a terrorist organization (KLA) overrule the power of a legitimate government. I think now it is time for Northern Ireland, the Basque region in Spain, Chechnya, Southern Turkey etc. to declare independence and break away. This only proves that the West has double standards and that they bring their hypocrisy and impose it on others with an iron fist calling it 鈥渄emocracy鈥. Kosovo鈥檚 independence is nothing but a tragic example of political demagogy and mass-media brainwashing, a dangerous precedent that will be used in the future by other terrorists to justify their murderous acts.

  • 18.
  • At 03:58 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Marko wrote:

How can any government, state or institution allow this illegal independence to go through with so much support and celebration.? UN was created to protect each states sovereignty and its territory, yet that same UN is violated not only its own rules but rules of each state by allowing this illegal independence to go through. How much suffering does Serbia have to take to be recognized in the world?the Albanians have their own land and country yet they have to seek another place to expand where the history of Serbia, its religion and people were born. everyone talks about us being barbarians and mass murder's yet no one takes into consideration that the few Serbians that live in Kosovo (a part of Serbia)are constantly in fear and threatened. Have people forgotten the countless numbers of churches and monasteries that these "liberal" and "ethnic" Albanians have burned, does that not go into count? Everyone supports this independence yet i ask if a country such as France, UK or USA had the same issue would the outcome be the same. Everyone claims that the world today is liberal and democrat yet once again we see the injustice that plays in a period of western dominance and the puppy states that follow it.

  • 19.
  • At 04:10 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Ana wrote:

Don't celebrate too soon. Bush and his European servants are opening Pandora's Box: today KosovO, tomorrow Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, South California, Lakota Republic,.... every country has its own Kosovo. If you are allowing ethnic Albanians in the soverign country of Serbia to form their second country within Europe (Albania is only kilometres away from Pristina), why shouldn't the nations without any form their own countries. Let live new "democratic" western world! Serbs are patient people - in 100, 200, .... years Kosovo WILL BE SERBIA AGAIN. We learn from history, how about you?

This is the EU's biggest mistake. It is not only illegal as a UN resolution specifically states that Kosovo is recognised as part of Serbia.. There is bound to be a backlash and ongoing trouble resulting from what's being done. How arrogant of the EU to intervene and try to lay down a solution to ancient hatreds by making them only worse than they have ever been.

The way forward would have been to build the two communities so they could live together again. Making one into the winner, and one into the loser, is exactly not how to deal with such a situation.

This will be the EU's version of Iraq.

  • 21.
  • At 04:51 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Zef wrote:

I was listening to the news today and they said Kosovo: the birth of a nation.
I think the more appropriate caption should be Kosova: Re-birth of a nation.
The Albanian people of Kosova did not just appear on the scene in the past 100 years. We have been around for thousands of years.

Guess it goes to show the truth shall set you free.

Long live a free and democratic Kosova!

  • 22.
  • At 05:19 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • andrej wrote:

As a Serb, I have to state that I am actually not all that worried about Kosovo. We will never recognise it as a sovereign country. Russia will veto any attempt to make Kosovo a member of the UN. So, in the end, if your neighbour does not recognise your existence, and you are not recognised as a member of the UN, what kind of independence is that? Serbs have been labelled as agressors for most of the nasty things that happened in the Balkans in the past decade and a half. Sure, some of it is justified. But some isn't. And by granting a group of thugs and terrorists a right to their own state as a result of their fight is going a bit far in awarding the 'liberation' fighters and at the same time punishing Serbs for their misdeeds. What the West has not quite figured out, unfortunately, is that Serbs are a stubborn nation, and if they could survive for 500 years under Turks, then surely they will prevail in what will be a subtle yet existent battle against these people who think they are the descendants of Illyrians. I am only saddened by the fact that genuine attempts by Serbia to negotiate on this issue, within the parameters of international law have been disregarded from the very start. These Albanians did not actually participate in the negotiations - they kept repeating that they were going to have nothing short of independence. Something tells me that these Western leaders will be scratching their heads very soon about this disregard for genuine dialogue between two opposite sides. When other regions start declaring their independence one by one...what will they say then? They'll say the same things they've told you in reference to Iraq - 'we were wrong...but now that we're there, we might as well stay'...I do have a question for you Brits: how would you feel about a bunch of Germans settling in Kent and eventually declaring it their own state? Add to that that your allies the French went ahead and recognised it? Now, don't give me the argument that the Brits would 'never do to their people what the Serbs did' - Albanians are not our people. They lived on our territory, but they were still a different ethnic group, and as you well know, there is very little we share in common with them. In a way like the Brits and the Germans. Spend a minute or two thinking about this. And as far as the atrocities committed against the Albanians - study history, even the more recent one. 成人快手 keeps reminding us that Milosevic committed atrocities against the Albanians in Kosovo and that is why NATO intervened. Not quite. There was a fight between the KLA guerilla (also labelled a terrorist organisation by the US State Department) and the Serb security forces. Innocent civilians got killed - on BOTH sides. US tried to 'mediate' by offering the Serbs the following: American soldiers to enter and freely travel within Yugoslavia, not be subject to local laws etc - a sort of, modern day occupation...Serbs rejected, like any sovereign nation would. And bang, the bombs were dropped. Fact is, most of you did not even know this. Well, you've been told. It is true that Milosevic then ethnically cleansed half of Kosovo's population. Those same people all came back from the mountains and did their little ethnic cleansing of the Serbs. No NATO bombs this time around. Since the history is written by the 'victors', I guess we have to wait a bit more for this chapter to finish before someone gets to write it.

  • 23.
  • At 05:29 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Dragos Neacsu wrote:

So, in other words, the West has supported a terrorist organization (KLA) overrule the power of a legitimate government. I think now it is time for Northern Ireland, the Basque region in Spain, Chechnya, Southern Turkey etc. to declare independence and break away. This only proves that the West has double standards and that they bring their hypocrisy and impose it on others with an iron fist calling it 鈥渄emocracy鈥. Kosovo鈥檚 independence is nothing but a tragic example of political demagogy and mass-media brainwashing, a dangerous precedent that will be used in the future by other terrorists to justify their murderous acts.

  • 24.
  • At 05:55 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Milos Milosev wrote:

Instead of being delighted that at least somewhere someone thanks you for Britain's support, you should ask yourselves why it is that you don't get that anywhere else in the world any more, except in such God-forsaken backwaters as Kosovo. Serbs fought two world wars alongside British and American soldiers, don't forget that. And this is what we get in return?
This back-door to independence can only lead where all back doors lead: to an enclosed backyard, not to full membership in the international community. It would have been wiser to try and find a solution that would be at least a slightest bit less offensive to Serbia. As it is, this is a glove in our face. Don't expect us to sit still. And please don't laugh. The stance taken by our officials is not a bluff. I would advise everyone, at least in the Balkans, not to test our patience. We lost it a long time ago.
As our southern neighbours seem to be very fond of history, I, too, have a history point to add: two large and powerful empires have attempted to crush Serbia, but guess what - Austro-Hungarian and Turkish empires are no more, while Serbia is still alive and well! My point? Well, err... who knows, the EU might be next?

  • 25.
  • At 06:30 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Jona wrote:

Lets not forget why Serbs are called murderous:1. Bosnian War 1992-1995. 110,000 civilians killed 2. Kosovo's War 1996-1999. 2,788 Albanians killed. Besides the mass killings Serbians have violated Civil Rights Laws not only for Albanians but for Bosnians, Croatians, Macedonians and many more innocent people that have a right to live free in their own lands.

Jona B.-- Albanian for life

  • 26.
  • At 06:34 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • suresh k wrote:

This only show how foolish the EU,Britan and the US can be.Receipe for the third world war is ready.

The Albanians will use ethnic cleansing to remove the remaining serbs. Kosovo will be another Pakistan.

  • 27.
  • At 06:47 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Fadil Caravaku wrote:

For all of them who don't know history Albanians are the native nation in Balkan. Serbs came from CARPATE Mountains (Russia). After they occupied the Balkan they made to many churches and monasteries. During they occupation after the ottomans they killed a lot of Albanians and other nations in Balkan. In First World War they killed and prosecuted about 150.000 Albanians. In Second World War they killed and massacred more than 200.000 and more than 500.000 Albanians were kick out from Kosova towards Turkey which they never came back. Last decade Serbs killed more than 300.000 people from ex Yugoslavian republics (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Kosova). Last war 1999 they kicked out about 1 million Albanians, but this time didn't work. The world decided to do the right thing in the right moment.
And today 17 Feb 2008 Kosova will celebrate the deserved Independence which been waiting for centuries. Today will end one dirty chapter and will start a new one.
Today democratic world will have a new Democratic State with name KOSOVA.
Today will end the Yugoslavian story which started with Kosova and is ending with Kosova.
Thank you UK, USA, EU and all other democratic countries.

  • 28.
  • At 07:09 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • longing for freedom wrote:

Let`s celebrate the newest state in Europe. I would like to thank Internationl community for helping end the genocide in Kosovo in 1999 and bringing peace in the region by supporting the independence of Kosova. Kosova is an example in the region and international community for the tolerance and maturity they have shown and continue to show during the state making process. It`s time to look ahead, the world has gone a long way while Balkan countires are stuck in the middle ages, Serbian nationalism along with their myths need to end if they want to join their neighbours and travel together the road to prosperity.

  • 29.
  • At 07:37 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Adnan wrote:

The Kosovar Albanians are following the path established by the Slovenes, Croats, Bosnians, Macedonians and Montenegrins. Isn't it odd that noone wants to be associated with a warmongering nation? No, it isn't odd, but the Serbs continue to portray themselves as victims.

Murder, rape, pillage and expel on a massive scale, and this is what you get. The West rewarded Serbia's aggression during the Bosnian War with half of Bosnia, but finally understood that some people only understand brute force.

Kosovar Albanians are now free to pursue self-determination. This moment has been a long time in coming.

  • 30.
  • At 07:46 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Alex wrote:

You mention briefly that the Assembly will pass a package of laws as part of the Ahtisaari Plan after the declaration. This is in fact over 30 laws and if they do it in 3 days, as reports state, this means less than 1 hour for each law, to be debated, discussed, amended and passed. This is precisely because they don't want anyone to realize what their contents are - or to realize too late. This is all due to international pressure - which doesn't bode well for this so-called light EU mission. When has an institution, which is not accountable to the people it governs, not been tempted to use the full powers given to it????

  • 31.
  • At 07:51 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • who cares wrote:

kosova, i wonder if they will keep the name for long. there had been some discussion of changing it.

  • 32.
  • At 07:52 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Risto wrote:

That day will live in infamity. As for Serbia, so for Macedonia in the foreseable future.

  • 33.
  • At 08:12 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Gresa wrote:

It was about time!!!

  • 34.
  • At 08:24 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • J. Popovic wrote:

USA and the EU bunch decided to cross the Rubicon, and dismiss the rule of international law. "Nation building" in Iraq and elsewhere is popular now. The way it is done is incredibly similar to Munich Agreement. The hipocrisy of western humanitarian involvement is evident in cases of Darfur and Rwanda, and the virtuosity which UK displays in solving ethnic conflicts is still visible in Palestine, Cyprus, India-Pakistan. It all comes together in the latest G. Bush interview. Humanitarian and/or preemptive interventionism is a moniker for neo-imperialism. I believe the future of this Clinton-Bush legacy project in Kosovo would be just as bright as the one in Iraq.

  • 35.
  • At 09:02 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • RP wrote:

Can any EU politician provide an argument (other than
hot air of course) for why the Serbs of Northern Kosovo or those in Bosnia should not secede too? Soon it may be clear that the EU swallowed more than it can chew. Mark,
I hope you'll be an objective observer of the events unfolding including the treatment of the not yet ethnically cleansed Serbs and their century old monasteries.

  • 36.
  • At 09:18 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Milan wrote:

For how long are you going to defend your illegal puppet state? Serbia and Serbs won't go anywhere; they will be very, very close, and for the most of humanity Kosovo will still be legal part of Serbia on Monday as well. When Serbs come back, when opportunity arise in some hopefully not so distance future, for the most of UN humanity (China, India, Russia, etc.) that will be seen as justified operation against a rebelled province.

As a Serb, I wouldn't mind seeing Kosovo departing from Serbia if people self-determination is established as governing principle. In that case Serbs in Serb Republic in Bosnia have the same right to separate since probably 90% of population want that. But if only Western principle is being anti-Serb, as it looks these days, that is really bad foundation for any lasting peace in that part of the world.

  • 37.
  • At 09:22 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Diana wrote:

A great report! Thanks to UK for all the support they provided to Kosova. Today is the greatest and happiest day for us. Long live independent Kosova!

  • 38.
  • At 09:32 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • dzvero wrote:

since early 90-ies the split and independence were inevitable. while kosovo was mainly serbian problem, now it is turning into global one. for example: on the same legal basis pakistanis or afrian or arabic immigrants in UK could declare independence only because they are ethnical majority of over 60% in particular area. welcome to the new world order...

  • 39.
  • At 09:56 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Anton wrote:

The news reporter must be an educated man, to do a proper news report. He can't just write what people are saying. He should point out, when the history is mis interpreted by people on the streets: Serbia never occupied Kosovo!, moreover Serbia land was occupied by albanians!! Don't rewrite and misinterpret the history!!
The reporter should be ashamed of himself writing this report.

  • 40.
  • At 09:59 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • dzvero wrote:

since early 90-ies the split and independence were inevitable. while kosovo was mainly serbian problem, now it is turning into global one. for example: on the same legal basis pakistanis or afrian or arabic immigrants in UK could declare independence only because they are ethnical majority of over 60% in particular area. welcome to the new world order...

  • 41.
  • At 10:08 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Fatmir CARRABREGU wrote:

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU Mr Merdell FOR BRACING THIS COL TO COVER THIS GREAT NEW FOR ALBANIANS!
HAPPY KOSOVA STATE!
Fatmir loshi Canada

  • 42.
  • At 10:31 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • M Yusuf Ali wrote:

Congratulation to all the people of Kosovo. May Allah bless both Kosovian and Serbia.

M Yusuf Ali
Bangladesh

  • 43.
  • At 10:31 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Burim Breznica wrote:

After waiting for decades now the independence day for Kosova has finally come. This is very crucial to the stability in the region of the Balkans. The Serbs have to recall that they have settled in the Balkans in the 7-th century while the Abanians are the endogenous people here (please read Noel Malcolm: Kosovo a Short History). After occupying Kosova in 1912 and after committing terrible crimes against the albanians in decades the Serbs have to finally wake up and see that Kosova will now be independent and they will never rule it again. There is a bright future for the new Kosova state and for its people, including the serbs who will have all their rights. This a day that I have dreamt about since I was a child, I am extremely happy that this day is becoming a reality. Thank you very much USA, UK and EU for making this happen. Please let me say in the end that this is an excellent, professional and objective article Mr. Mardell.
Burim Breznica, Prishtine

  • 44.
  • At 10:32 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Yllka wrote:

Alhamdulilah, we are getting independance, but we are going to get controlled by USA and the EU which isn't a good thing.
I think it would be great to keep the tradition of Kosovo and Albania and keep the 2 headed eagle, instead of having a flag which is similar to the EU flag...

  • 45.
  • At 10:34 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Max Sceptic wrote:

"It鈥檚 the most momentous moment for the Albanians here..." says one man. Notice that he doesn't call himself a 'Kosovan'. Soon they will be agitating to joint a 'Greater Albania' and then the sparks will fly.

Also, riding roughshod over the international laws of national sovereignty will come back to haunt EU member states when the likes of the Basques or the Corsicans decide to declare unilateral independence. The West may have just opened Pandoras Box.

  • 46.
  • At 11:03 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Simo wrote:

Europe was shocked at the prospect of the Serbian national flag being waved in parts of Croatia and Bosnia during the 90s. The general line of thinking was 'you fly the flag of Serbia, then move there!'

One doesn't have to look far at the double standards today. 'Europe's newest nation' flying the flag of a bordering Republic. Essentially the creation of a second Albanian state.

And yes, the Albanians will shake your hand firmly and thank you, but like Bush found out last year, look after your watch!

  • 47.
  • At 11:11 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Aleksandar wrote:

Oh great, Kosovo is independent. I just hope Scotland and Northern Ireland will be independent too!
Let all the people who want independence from a country make their wish a reality!
INDEPENDENCE TO EVERYONE!!!

  • 48.
  • At 11:13 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Burim Breznica wrote:

After waiting for decades now the independence day for Kosova has finally come. The Serbs have to recall that they have settled in the Balkans in the 7-th century while the Abanians are the endogenous people here (please read Noel Malcolm: Kosovo a Short History). After occupying Kosova in 1912 and after committing terrible crimes against the albanians in decades the Serbs have to finally wake up and see that Kosova will now be independent and they will never rule it again. There is a bright future for the new Kosova and for its people, including the serbs who will have all their rights. This is a day that I have dreamt about since I was a child, I am very happy that this day has come now. Thans very much USA, UK and EU for making this happen. An excellent and very objective article Mr. Mardell. Burim Breznica, Prishtine

  • 49.
  • At 11:25 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Mur@ wrote:

It was the fault of the racialist Serbian regime in the 1990s that started the mess in the Balkans. I believe that justice is finally being served.

  • 50.
  • At 11:26 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Bernard wrote:

Funny how the majority of serb posters neglect the fact that they started 3 or 4 wars in the space of 10 years in order to save their "Greater Serbia".

The term itself "Greater Serbia" says enough about why everyone else wanted to leave Yugoslavia (Country of the South Slavs). Yugoslavia never was the country of the South Slavs, as it was supposed to be, but a Serbian colonial empire.

The Irony that escapes the Serbians is of course that they RECEIVED Yugoslavia as a reward for their actions in WW1 (which they actually helped start!!). Received not from the Russians (who lost: Brest-Litovsk) but from the Western Powers who WON that war.
That, as history has shown, was a massive mistake. A mistake that has now been rectified by these same Westerm Powers.

By their past actions the SERbs have shown that they are unworthy of the lands that made up Yugoslavia.
By their future actions the Kosovars will have to prove wether or not they are worthy to nation Kosovo will soon become, and wether or not they'll be worthy to be a part of the European family that has taken shape since the dark days of WW2 ended.

  • 51.
  • At 11:27 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Maria Amadei Ashot wrote:

Days before the climactic week, the 成人快手 finally reported on what I have been waiting to hear: there are significant mineral deposits of Kosovo that are of interest to parties outside Serbia. The true motive of an "independent Kosovo" is thus in in view for all the world to see. When Serbia is given what amounts to an ultimatum -- "join the EU or lose Kosovo" -- the real message is "we are annexing your lands." That's all this is: a good, old-fashioned, Yankee-style land grab, with the Serbs in the role once occupied by the nations falsely labeled "American Indians," and the Albanians who live in Kosovo because they left their own country, Albania, in the role of the desperate, half-starved immigrant enablers whose "needs" justify the crime. How much this "new Europe" resembles the "old Europe" that perhaps never quite sorted out exactly what it managed so badly by going around seizing other people's property! Who will benefit from this travesty? Well, some corporate interests, to be sure; the egos of a few obstinate 'sages' of the kind Mr Sarkozy suggests should fix the problems of the world, that they helped create; a thin sliver of the "Albanian elite" that has provided the convenient rationale for blithely sweeping away international law (and, while we're at it, making the biggest dent in the principle of private property since the Chinese Revolution). The average inhabitant of Kosovo is about to enter a period of great uncertainty & distress, all in the name of those profits someone hopes to harvest down the line... As for Europeans (and that includes all of you): well, you will get to deal with having to absorb a couple of more million immigrants from the Balkans (for as surely as the EU provides a fast-track to relocation for the unhappy people of Kosovo, obtaining a Kosovo passport will become a highly profitable business. And all kinds of people will suddenly discover they are from this tiny enclave where no one even bothered to hold a head count in the decade of 'sound management', in which the even the basic goal of disarming the criminals was never achieved by the superior, 'civilised' and 'civilising' forces). Women's rights will continue to be stifled in a backward, stubborn, proud tough neighborhood where neither grammar, nor grammar school, nor laws, nor property rights, nor fair play, nor equality amongst all human beings are de facto accepted. What a marvelously inclusive, free-wheeling new European Universe you are ushering in! How lucky for the US that after giving up bases in Germany, they already have a solid base guaranteed in Kosovo, not to mention a few hundred thousand ruthless & grateful mercenaries! Just sweep them straight into Nato as quickly as you can, because with all the new enemies you have made --not that you can ever have too many of those, right? -- you will need much bigger, better equipped & expensive armies. Just please don't forget to bring along the language specialists: America is always short on those. Lucky for the Yanks they can always count on Europeans to actually have a few educated people around who can speak Albanian, Farsi, Turkish, Kurdish, Russian... You know, those vital languages you need to work with both the troops you hire and the nations you intend to subjugate in the next land grab.

  • 52.
  • At 11:31 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • BR wrote:

Yes ,Serbian people really feel nostalgic about the 80s and the 90s.When their lives where so pretty.They had works ,schools,lands...everything a family needs to lead a normal life.While during those periods ,lots of bad things where happening to Albanians.We were forced to teach on houses(lots of schools were only for the "holy" Serbs ),people were tortured to death,politicians and activists were send to prison,Pristina's TV(our only Albanian language TV station) was taken out of work on 1989,and replaced by a TV which only transmited things aproved by Milosevic,albanians were unenployed ,most on jobs were of-course privileged to serbs.....
But something that is very unclear to meis ,how Serbs pretend that everything was super good on the 80s and 90s in Kosovo?Thy feel nostalgic about those days when the "man" was on the chair ,doing all the things he new the best.
Well dear Serbs ,i can assure you that those "glory days", thankfully, will never come back.
Have fun :)

  • 53.
  • At 11:38 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Ahmed wrote:

Those who support Serbs...should go and buy house in Belegrade. Including Russians. One day..one drunk serb would come and excute their russian family. Then most Serbs would support and justify the massaccare. So, with mentality like this, serbs would go down the drain.

  • 54.
  • At 11:50 AM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Ronald Gr眉nebaum wrote:

I guess the Serbs are now reaping what they sowed in 1914.

Tragic? Yes, like much of European history.

Unavoidable? Certainly, given that the Serbs tried to eliminate the Kosovo Albanians.

But coming from the only nation state - Prussia - that has completely disappeared from the European map (and rightly so), I would tell the Serbs that they should get over it.

Clinging to some territory is so 19th century....

  • 55.
  • At 12:00 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • nikol wrote:

The Article is very dependable. Why such lies are written on a 成人快手? It`s a shame!
Why the author as a story-tale describing merely incorrect situation and uses only albanians to support the idea.
Where is a journalist`s ethic, where is a balance between parties. Stop this blatant lie -SAY YES WE Can.

  • 56.
  • At 12:02 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • aerofrancoa wrote:

Mark, to-day Feb.17th 2008 is the beginning of a very painful period for the EU leaders as they assumed full responsibility over the new born independent Kosovo state. For the Albanians all over the world justice has been made. But one asks himself whether this event will mark the end of many ethnic problems of old Europe to start from the north Irish separatist movement and to finish with the pretences of ethnic Hungarians in Romania... Shall the EU use double standard when its leaders shall consider, say, the Corsican nationalists requirements in France and, say, the Albanian nationalists excesses in Macedonia?
Shall Europe once again allow the US (in the name of freedom etc.) intervene militarily in favor of such or such ethnic minority that "has been oppressed for centuries" by such or such tyrannical nation... What a pity if it happens again!
A new chapter is now being opened, and I pray God to save our Christian prevailing and civilized world for our children and grand children...
Vladimir Bozhinoff, Sofia, Bulgaria

  • 57.
  • At 12:33 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • fatmir kosova wrote:

I wonder how antialbanians feel when they know they are lying and still write anti albanians comments
P.S.the pandora box is about to close in VOJVODINA,millosevic opened long time ago,and dont forget Kosova was part of federal yougoslavia since being absorbed from albania after WWII-YEAR1946,and serbija put her claim like in a gold rush,we were not for grabs.
LONG LIVE FREE KOSOVA!

  • 58.
  • At 12:41 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Milorad wrote:

Dear Mark,
You forgot to mention one more flag - the one of the independent state of Kosovo. And you forget to mention it because they dont have one! Parliament should accept flag today, but noone knows how it looks like, and all knows that Kosovars will not use it. In your reports you forget to mention that Kosovars are celebrating with the flag of another country (Albania) and not their own (Kosovar). They also dont have their own anthem... This is all one big farse.

  • 59.
  • At 12:50 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Ari wrote:

Finally, it's over. I would wish to say congrat. to all the people who have suffered over the years for this moment to come, and to all those (all the Kosovo inhabitants, Serbs, Albanians, Turks, Roma) to have a good life from this day on!

  • 60.
  • At 01:05 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Adnan wrote:

The Kosovar Albanians are following the path established by the Slovenes, Croats, Bosnians, Macedonians and Montenegrins. Isn't it odd that noone wants to be associated with a warmongering nation? No, it isn't odd, but the Serbs continue to portray themselves as victims.

Murder, rape, pillage and expel on a massive scale, and this is what you get. The West rewarded Serbia's aggression during the Bosnian War with half of Bosnia, but finally understood that some people only understand brute force.

Kosovar Albanians are now free to pursue self-determination. This moment has been a long time in coming.

  • 61.
  • At 01:21 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • brunilda wrote:

happy independence day,gezuar gezuar,the land of albanian is retuned back after 96 years,and may the spirit of those fightng for kosova may rest in peace ,,,,,,,

  • 62.
  • At 01:45 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • aerofrancoa wrote:

Mark, to-day Feb.17th 2008 is the beginning of a very painful period for the EU leaders as they assumed full responsibility over the new born independent Kosovo state. For the Albanians all over the world justice has been made. But one asks himself whether this event will mark the end of many ethnic problems of old Europe to start from the north Irish separatist movement and to finish with the pretences of ethnic Hungarians in Romania... Shall the EU use double standard when its leaders shall consider, say, the Corsican nationalists' requirements for independence from France and, say, the Albanian nationalists' excesses in Macedonia?
Shall Europe once again allow the US (in the name of freedom etc.) intervene militarily in favor of such or such ethnic minority that "has been oppressed for centuries" by such or such tyrannical nation... What a pity if it happens again!
A new chapter is now being opened, and I pray God to save our Christian prevailing and civilized world for our children and grand children...
Vladimir Bozhinoff, Sofia, Bulgaria

  • 63.
  • At 01:55 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Mladen wrote:

Mark Mardell, please do not try to insult the british peoples intellect with this disgracefully one-sided report. How much have the idiots at the white house and whitehall paid you to paint this lovely picture of "independance"??!?!?

The USA and EU have once again gone on an illegal rampage across the world. When will this madness stop?

  • 64.
  • At 02:24 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • vetoni wrote:

hello,

thank you USA, UK, FRANCE AND EU.

The truth should let everyone free....long lived Kosova

  • 65.
  • At 02:26 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Alec Mally wrote:

Dear Mark, Excellent article. Greetings from a snowy Athens.

Most Americans who have visited/worked in Kosovo have full confidence the Serbian minority will receive far better treatment in the new Kosovo than the Albanians did ever receive as part of Serbia. We can't rewrite the past but we can learn from it.

The time has come for our Kosovar friends to demonstrate their capability to move into the new Europe. I am sure we will see this confidence justified in the coming weeks. The challenges are enormous, but Kosovo can do it.
Congratulations.

  • 66.
  • At 02:35 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Vaso Vukovic wrote:

Mark, there is only one who can truly forgive your bias.

Is it just to celebrate with victor whose trail stinks on genocide?

Souls of murdered Christian children on Kosovo will haunt the living in time that comes.

Being so culturally elevated, have you had a chance to pay a visit to any of the Christian monasteries (I know its hard to find one these days since there are thousands that were democratically burnt down, for the sake of liberal societies, where flames that burned for days inspired local Albanian kids to cherish the historical values of their neighbors etc.)? If you did, have you seen in their laments and books that this so called 'occupation' by Serbs has begun far before any Albania, Turkey/Ottoman empire has come to exist?

I pity you all who think that this is where it ends. As it does not. Albanians will come for parts of Macedonia (give it some time, they need to work out another "we're victims" scenario first as the 2002 was not a good year), will continue to fight for parts of northern Greece and you never know, may as well go for southern Montenegro (where they are majority btw., so whats the difference).

I know, it's just sooo much more convenient, easier, to simply label Serbs as we did before (bad). You gotta have somebody like that so you can make good Rambo movies after all.. It's profitable. It does not even feel like betrayal. It's so remote from our cable TV and shopping centers.

..."Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying - I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that"

What will you tell your kids tomorrow about Kosovo Liberation Army? Why not go to Kosovo and try being Christian there if they are such a nice bunch? The red on their flags comes form the blood of slaughtered Serbs in the last century. And they have a lot of flags ...

  • 67.
  • At 03:09 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Donald wrote:

This is one of the greatest moments in the history of the Albanian people. Independence means freedom and freedom is the most cherished ideal in the Albanian culture.

Long live Kosova! Long live the Albanian Nation!

  • 68.
  • At 03:11 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Angela wrote:

THE BIRTH OF THE POOREST COUNTRY IN EUROPE

Once the adrenaline rush of the independence rallies wears out, Kosovars and its new government will need to face yet another harsh reality -- that of being the poorest country in Europe. The World Bank estimates that about 45 percent of the population in Kosovo is poor ( see the latest report at which is above Europe's current title-holder Moldova with a poverty rate of about 30-40%.

Stability in the Western Balkans will depend on the capacity of the Kosovo government and the international community to ensure inclusive economic growth while keeping remittances from abroad flowing in the short term.

Angela
Washington DC

  • 69.
  • At 03:22 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Cry from Macedonia wrote:

How long Republic Of Macedonia should wait to be recognized officially with our historical name from EU? Or.., maybe Putin is right -for some recognition against international law, for others ban for recognition despite of international law?!

  • 70.
  • At 03:25 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Matthew Walsh wrote:

To Dragos Neacsu;
The difference is that Kosovo has a majority clearly in favour of independence, whereas Northern Ireland, Catalonia, Basque and so forth... do not.

  • 71.
  • At 03:56 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • eri wrote:

I would like to thank Bernard and Roland for their comments because they just took the words out of my mouth. How soon do we forget why Kosova is being protected by the UN and NATO? Appearently they became sick and tired of the havoc the serbs wrought for being so narcissistic.

They had Kosova for so long, and it was accepted as so until they started killing and expelling ethnic Albanians. It would have been a sin not to intervene. Not to mention their crimes in Bosnia and Croatia. Now they come to play the victims and scream injustice. What Hypocrites! Well, you should have thought of the consequences before you did what you did Serbs! Now go fill some other blogs with your whining and futile comments.
Accept it, GOD punished you for your actions.

I think countries should do the best to answer to people's needs, and if they don't or even go as far a mass killings, then I welcome any secessions, for it is only just to grant them their basic rights. It is a different story if a region is endowed with every right and still wants to break away. That said, LONG LIVE THE NEWEST STATE IN THE WORLD!. I hope Albanians draw from the past and appreciate this opportunity to reflect on how to lead a fair country.

Nice article BTW :)

  • 72.
  • At 04:10 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Bye Bye Serbia wrote:

Great report. And to the haters: hate all you want. Kosova is a new and independent nation.

And Albanians were there first, so that Serb who made the analogy of someone "coming to your house" has his facts mixed up.

  • 73.
  • At 04:23 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Dragos Neacsu wrote:

So, in other words, the West has supported a terrorist organization (KLA) overrule the power of a legitimate government. I think now it is time for Northern Ireland, the Basque region in Spain, Chechnya, Southern Turkey etc. to declare independence and break away. This only proves that the West has double standards and that they bring their hypocrisy and impose it on others with an iron fist calling it 鈥渄emocracy鈥. Kosovo鈥檚 independence is nothing but a tragic example of political demagogy and mass-media brainwashing, a dangerous precedent that will be used in the future by other terrorists to justify their murderous acts.

  • 74.
  • At 04:34 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Mirek wrote:

This is a sad day for the world. It again shows the arogance and self-interest driven politics of the western countries. I am ashamed of that. Settle your people in another country, become the majority in that region, and you may be allowed to steal that part of the country - if it fits the hypocrats... Why can an independent Kurdistan not exist? Why not hispanic California, why not muslim parts of Paris, etc. You bigshots, you are playing with fire for the upcoming generations, you are creating the problems in the future.
The right solution for Kosovo would have been to remain part of Serbia and to give proper minority rights to the Albanian population. Period, nothing more.

  • 75.
  • At 04:36 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Adi wrote:

To many serbs who are feeling bitter today.
I will compare the sittuation to an ugly marriage(we know it was blody). one spouse beat the hell out of the other and now is screaming and swearing it will get it back(to continue with the beating of course. After all we are not seeing any love left but hate in here).

The spouse is moving on!
Get used to it!
The sooner you ferget it the better for you!(some are saying they will never ferget it. Well Albanians will never come back in Serbia.they will better die)

For your own good so you can move on with your live- you need some soul searching and ask for fergiveness from your neighbors and not like someone sugested here to teach their children hate. We all know where it leads.
Adi from Canada

Happy Independence Day! Happy Independence Day! Happy Independence Day! Happy Independence Day!

  • 77.
  • At 04:38 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Thor wrote:

Poor Mark,

In few years you will lose you job and be remembered in the history as one of journalist who helped end faith in Western democracy.

  • 78.
  • At 04:42 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • suresh k wrote:

This only show how foolish the EU,Britan and the US can be.Receipe for the third world war is ready.

The Albanians will use ethnic cleansing to remove the remaining serbs. Kosovo will be another Pakistan.

  • 79.
  • At 04:44 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • toby stewart wrote:

I disagree that Mardell's piece is biased. Given the institution he works for, and the sort of hysterical anti russian views it preaches whensoever possible, I think he is portraying the facts as best he can.

Understand that if Mardell was to be objective about the situation, he would probably get the sack from the 成人快手.

At least he says what he sees, and does not try to pretend that he sees what the headlines portray. He notes that everywhere he sees "ALBANIAN FLAGS."

Everywhere he sees ALBANIANS celebrating victory, celebrating their conquest of this new territory by waving ALBANIAN flags. Nowhere does he report Kosovars celebrating Kosovar.

That is the truth. The 成人快手 is nonchalant when it reports that Kosovo is now 90% ethnic albanian. It does nothing to explain how this occurred, or what this must mean.

What happened, that part of serbia became 90% populated by people with loyalties to a neighbouring state? How would England react if Birmingham, suddenly populated by 90% ethnic Pakistanis for unknown reasons, declared itself "independent"?

Whilst all the good folks from independent Birmingham waved Pakistani flags?

A precedent has been set, and it means the end of Europe. Russia has been given a green light to dismember eastern europe and the caucaus states, in the name of "independence" liberation.

As Europe has no military capable of restricting Russian policy in this regard, one could well say that the US has succeeded in its clear aim: it has broken Europe in two, and destroyed the European Union.

The European union working with russia is the single greatest threat to US economic dominance that exists. Russia has the energy and europe has the industry. By forcing the Poles and The Czechs to side with the US as a direct ally or to reject their bases, the US has driven a wedge into Europe. By creating the Kosovo annex to albania, they have made their intentions clear.

The USA intends to force Russia's hand in eastern europe, and to make the russians understand that the USA is their competitor in Europe, and that any deals made with the EU are words written in running water, for all they are worth.

This makes a prize of the eastern european economies, and if they are fought over the prize will be purely symbolic, as the economies will be destroyed by the coming wars of "independence".

But that suits the USA. If the economies are destroyed by war, they cannot work together with russian energy, and indeed the markets for russian energy are destroyed. Western europe will continue to be dependent on US brokered oil out of the middle east, and the industry of europe will thus continue to be dependent on US energy policy as it has been since the second world war.

The lesson of Kosovo is that the USA still controls European politics, and it does so because the EU is a toothless bunch of corrupt dandies whose primary aim is to feather their own private nests and wax lyric about grand things on a grand stage.

When told of the pope's concerns about soviet policy, Stalin is reputed to have asked "How many divisions has he?"

That is what the USA have asked of the EU, and the Russian will doubtless make the answer for all to see.

Albanian flags flying in Kosovo means that Europe has failed, and that the USA is laughing all the way to the bank, and so they should.

Why should they respect a Europe that is so corrupt and undemocratic, so easily bought and sold by Russian and US diplomats?

  • 80.
  • At 05:01 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Chris wrote:

It took 20 years for the jigsaw called Yugoslavia to fall apart and now the last piece is removed. Yugoslavia's problems started with Serbia's attitude and actions towards Kosovo and that's how it will end as well.

Someone said previously that Serbia lost its moral right to govern this territory. With that said, this is the final price Serbia is to pay for its expansionist attitude and military actions against its own neighbours within the same country.

Will Serbia now look forward or will it back? Will it look west towards the EU or will it look east towards Russia? Serbians, the choice is now yours and you will have no one to blame for it but yourselves this time if something goes wrong.

  • 81.
  • At 05:03 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • ves wrote:

mark, your blog is just as bad as usual. you seem to look for the most ignorant person you can find and than you write everything they say.
and to imagine you make living from this is amazing.

  • 82.
  • At 05:34 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • tomas soural wrote:

Mark Mandell's "objective "reporting helped accomplish this farce in Kosovo.Now he can move on to Macedonia to help local Albanians break up that country.Mark ,enjoy today ,but off to work tommorow on creating Greater Albania.

  • 83.
  • At 05:39 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Frukt wrote:

This is the first step in the EU's own disintegration. Its arrogance is beyond belief and will rebound back on itself eventually. The EU will pay a price for this. The EU somehow thinks that the proper destiny of all European countries is to be a part of it. This is not so. Serbia will now turn eastwards. Even countries that are already in the EU will soon question whether it is such a good idea to be inside it. As Russia's strength grows (and it will), the attraction of Moscow will increase for many East European countries. I mean why should any country stay in a bloc that is based on falsehood, lies, intimidation, subservience. The appeal of the so-called "Euro-Atlantic Integration" will diminish with time. It is too high a price to pay for prosperity if it is based on humiliation and loss of national dignity. Countries will start thinking that maybe it would be better to have Euro-Asian integration with Russia and China, rather than Euro-Atlantic integration. I look forward to the day when the EU is begging countries to stay, not when countries are begging to join. And this day will come, sooner than you think.

  • 84.
  • At 05:46 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Jugoslav Rinas wrote:

So, gentleman, you have chosen. Do svidania EU.

  • 85.
  • At 05:46 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Andrew Gallagher wrote:

There is no comparison with Northern Ireland or Scotland - independence is only supported by a minority in both places, unlike Kosovo where there is almost universal support. And does anyone here seriously think that Scottish independence would cause such an extreme reaction in London?

  • 86.
  • At 06:47 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • astrix wrote:

My Condolences!!!
To a legal construct laid down by people who understood the animosities, war and hatred of the last century. An illegal partionining of a state last occured in 1938. Today we have a new colonial master, with the might of all the trickery, media and lies that allowed the British and Europeans to control large parts of Asia and Africa. The Albanians of Kosovo will awake tomorrow and things will not be better. Already the Assets of this province are distributed (the price of so-called independence) and concessions ready to be served to inerested companies.

  • 87.
  • At 06:48 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Endri wrote:

The independence of Kosovo is the Albanian response to a century of apartheid, discrimination and systematic ethnic-cleansing from the Serbs culminating in the war in 1999. No Kosovo-Albanian would have come to the idea of breaking away if the Serbs would have put serious efforts to integrate Albanians and respect their language and culture instead of continuously attempting to wipe them out. Every minority which has suffered such injustices for a long time has a right to break away.

It is disturbing to see that the Serbian society fails to face its responsibilities and its role in the atrocities committed during the 90-s. Milosevic was not the only one to blame! In the last parliamentary elections in Serbia, the radical party of Sessel came out as the biggest party. It is as if the Nazi party in Germany would continue to be the most powerful after WW2. Serbia needs a broad catharsis similar to the one initiated in Germany after WW2.

Serbs should finaly abandon their myths on Kosovo and focus on their European future together with Albanians and all other Balkan people.

  • 88.
  • At 07:02 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Vera Drishti wrote:

Kosova is finally independent. Thank you, Great Britain, Thank you, United States of Amerika, Thank you, Europe. So deserved and so long waited for. Free from the Bloodsuckers Serbs. Thank you GOD, for bringing Justice to this New Born Country, after having waited so long. LONG LIVE KOSOVA INDEPENDENT, AND LONG LIVE ALBANIA. I am so proud of being Albanian.
Vera Tirana

  • 89.
  • At 07:11 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Arieta wrote:

I only have couple of messages for the Serbs (and the rest of you who are 'supporting' them):

Why don't you (for a change) take a look at Serbia and try and resolve your own problems. Can't you see what you've become? Stop the huligans who attacked the US Embassy today and leave Kosova alone! Learn from Kosovars who are (despite all) inviting Serb community to integrate and feel equal in the newest state in Europe and World!

All you need to do is look back at all the sufferings you've casued to all people of former-Yugoslavia! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!

  • 90.
  • At 07:15 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Anonymous wrote:

Dear Mark, 成人快手 reporter,
,,Independent Kosova" is never more dependent than this morning, sarcastically dependent on the people who, a few yers ago, even did not know where is that KOSOVO.
By the international Law, and you know which one, Kosovo is still part of Serbia unless you changed this Law it cannot be otherwise. I consider you smart and educated person and I wanted to ask you- do you feel a bit shamed for not beeing able to understand this?
Harvard University, USA.

  • 91.
  • At 07:18 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Mehmed wrote:

Those kosovans should be greatfull to the Ottoman Empire the same way as they are today to the USA.
I am albanian and, to be honest, speaking the truth; it was the Ottomans which made the kosovans rulers of Kosovo and Metohija for over 500 years. If there were people during these 500 years whom suffered, it was the serbian population under the kosovars. After a century, the kosovars needed another Empire (USA) to pull them from the Serbian regime, lift them up the air, by giving them wings to fly over the skies and breath the air of freedom. No albanian or bosnian moslem suffered under the Ottoman rules, frankly it was us (albanians) and bosnians whom contributed in the maintainance of that Empire. The only ones who suffered were the serbs and greeks, the rest who complains (from kosovars or albanians) is a ''crying wolf''.It was the Ottomans who shaped the albanian identity in the Balkans. So today the USA is giving birth to a new nation, the Kosovo Republic.

NEW KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE IS JUST A PART OF THE RE-MAPPING OF THE BALKANS THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG. WHO IS THE ONE DOING ALL OF THE RE-MAPPING? THE SUPERPOWERS, THEN AND NOW. THESE SMALL NATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS FOR CENTURIES HAVEN'S BENEFITED FROM THE RE-MAPPING OR FROM THE BLOODY CONFLICTS IN ANY WAY OVER THE CENTURIES.SO WHY ARE THEY FIGHTING? BECUASE THE SUPERPOWERS MAKE THEM DO THAT. THE SUPERPOWERS TAKE SIDES(IN THIS CASE THEY ARE ON THE SIDE OF ALBANIANS) AND THESE POOR BALKAN NATIONS BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A BETTER FUTURE FOR THEM. WAIVINING AMERICAN AND UK FLAGS DOES NOT MEAN JOBS OR BETTER EDUCATION. ON THE OTHER HAND, BEING A SERB HAS BECOME A DIRTY WORD AROUND THE GLOBE. GLOBAL MEDIA IS SO ANTI-SERB AND THEY SOUND AS IF SERBIA DESERVES THE FAITH OF NAZI-ERA WAR CRIMINALS. LET'S SEE WHAT BENEFIT COMES OUT FROM THIS LATEST RE-MAPPING OF THE BALKANS, FIRST FOR THESE SMALL NATIONS AND SECOND TO THE SUPERPOWERS. AFTER ALL, IT MUST FEEL GREAT TO BE SO POWERFUL TO HAVE THE WORLD RE-MAPED ACORDING TO YOUR LIKING.

  • 93.
  • At 07:25 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Milly wrote:

I am Serb.. I am happy Kosovo declared indipendence.. a stone about Serbia's neck less now.. but northern part of Kosovo should adjoin to Serbija ..Serbs on nord part have right live in own native country.. but Kosovo will not enjoy its indipendence long ..Albanen aren't conscious in their exaltation .. Pandora's box is opened,, That box is full of harms and evils.. Devil'll come to remunerate the bill, any big power like USA or UK or France don't make service without payment of bill.. Where american fingers were mixed there wasn't much prosperity .. see Iraque only ..

  • 94.
  • At 07:25 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • James, Annapolis MD wrote:

This is shameless man鈥 I鈥檓 feeling sick 鈥 typical school yard bulling done by this brainless government of my country that has lit up the world on fire in just 8 years.
Attempt to reason this act against all international laws known to man is even more blatant. Just watch a mess that will follow鈥

Article is done in true 成人快手 nature, overwhelmingly biased, just what we are used to.

  • 95.
  • At 07:47 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Double Standards? wrote:

Presumably the West will also recognise the right of majority Serb areas to secede from Croatia, Bosnia and, indeed, Kosovo?

Not to mention Turkish Cyprus, Kurdish Turkey, Kurdish Iraq, Tamil Sri Lanka etc. The scope for fragmentation is endless.

Oh, but they are different? Really?

  • 96.
  • At 08:09 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • JulianR wrote:

How ironic that as Kosovo celebrates independence from Serbia with full UK backing, Gordon Brown threatens to take powers away from another small European nation - the Scottish Government, and back to...himself.

  • 97.
  • At 08:21 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • stelios wrote:

We Greeks Here will continue to support Serbia and Russia and strongly against independent Kosova and Albania.........!

God Bless Greece, God Bless Serbia !

say No To Kosova, No to European Union, No to Albania !!!

  • 98.
  • At 08:49 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Ilirian wrote:

Congratulations to the kingdom of Dardania
I was born in Albania and my family came in today Albania 300 years ago from Kosova, right after the creation of Serbian kingdom and the killings of albanians. I don't want to blame the serbs for their comments or whatever they've done to Albanians, I believe this is what they where told but at the same time serbs should know their origins. We all know slav population came from Russia.
Anyway Republic of Kosova is now a reality, so let's all try to live together in peace.
Zoti ju bekofte te gjitheve
God bless you all serbs and albanians

  • 99.
  • At 09:04 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • alket wrote:

This is a great great great day!!!! I am tearing up reading this blog, new articles and watching video and pictures from Prishtina. It鈥檚 been a long time coming, through fire and hell, but it is here, INDEPENDENT KOSOVA - free from murderous Serbia at last.

Enjoy brothers and sisters, I join you from afar in your celebrations, and I wish you the best of luck tomorrow, when you start building the REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA!!!

  • 100.
  • At 09:14 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • quevedo wrote:

1. Serbs CANNOT invoke UN resolutions or international law - they showed their disdain for both in Bosnia, and a country that takes UN soldiers and personnel hostage, humiliates them in front of the whole world, and violates UN safe havens (Srebrenica) and resolutions, CANNOT invoke UN resolutions in its own defence. That is hypocrisy.

2. Serbs CANNOT complain about a supposed 'greater Albania' (mentioned NOWHERE in the Kosovar declaration of independence) given the fact that they spent a decade trying to create a 'greater Serbia' - by their own admission - and failed. That is also hypocrisy.

3. Serbs CANNOT complain of the supposed ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo - given that the word ('ethnic cleansing') entered our vocabulary as a result of Serb actions in Croatia, and above all Bosnia - they pioneered the concept, and implemented this barbarous policy throughout the Balkans. That is also hypocrisy.

4. Serbs CANNOT accuse the West of imposing solutions by force - they attempted to do precisely the same thing in every single part of the former Yugoslavia, using the muscle of the JNA - and now that they are no longer the strongest bully on the block, they ask for pity - that is also hypocrisy.

5. Serbs CANNOT appeal to democratic principles - the majority of the population of Bosnia voted in 1992 to secede from Yugoslavia, in a democratic referendum and in accordance with rights guaranteed by the old Yugoslav constitution (the right of sovereign federal republics, including Bosnia, to secede) - and the Serb response to the expression of the popular will was to attempt to silence it with guns, killing 10,000 citizens of Sarajevo in the process. Invoking the principles of European democracy now is HYPOCRISY.

  • 101.
  • At 09:44 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Christopher wrote:

REMINDS ME OF ZIMBABWE.
WAS A SCHOOLBOY THEN.
NOW LOOKING AT 30,000% INFLATION
IN ZIMBABWE !

  • 102.
  • At 10:22 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Caesar Stone wrote:

Sure, the Albanians in Kosovo deserve a better life. So, they have Albania across the border. It's their true homeland. On the other hand, Kosovo is Serbia regardless of the number of the Albanians -- same as the Latin/Mexican majority in Los Angeles live in the USA. Frankly speaking, the US and EU recognition of an independent Kosovo is an authorization for the illegal land-grab of the Serbian territory. This unfortunate support for the independence of an ethnic group on the territory of a sovereign state will cost us dearly in the future. Definitively, the EU/US liberal immigration policies should be reconsidered in the light of this event.

  • 103.
  • At 10:30 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • ANa wrote:

WE HAVE KNOWN THAT NATIONALISM AND NACI POLICY EXISTED IN FORMER GERMANY BUT NOT THAT THE SAME POLICY EXISTS NOWADAYS IN SO CALLED DEMOCRATIC EUROPEAN UNION AND UNITED STATES IS A TRAGEDY. TO RECOGNISE MAFIA AND CORRUPTION IN KOSOVO IN A PROVINCE WHERE LEADERS OF ALBANIAN POPULATION LIVE ON SMUGLING OF DRUGS, WEAPONS, ETC TO WESTERN WORLD IS A WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPEN TO EUROPE. CREATION OF ISLAMIC STATE IN THE HEART OF EUROPE CAN NO BE ACCEPTED WAKE UP BUSH AND EU BEFORE IS TOO LATE.

  • 104.
  • At 11:52 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
  • Alec wrote:

Next are, I sincerely hope, independent Republic of Scotland, and Republic of North Ireland.

  • 105.
  • At 12:05 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Tony Robinson wrote:

CONGRATULATIONS TO KOSOVO!

Sort of. You are entitled to be free of Serbia but also of the "EU".

We in Britain are entitled to be free of the "EU" however many times they sign their "EU" - Constitution.

The South Tirol is entitled to be free of Italy etc.

AND

Any "EU" mission in Kosovo or anywhere does not represent the people inside the borders of the "EU". The way they are forcing their "constitution" down are throats shows that the "EU" is a dictatorship and totally illegitimate, mate!

  • 106.
  • At 01:04 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • alexb wrote:

How many hristian churches albanians destroyed on kosovo? Can somebody tell me? They have been well rewarded!!!What to say and what to comment?

  • 107.
  • At 01:44 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Mike wrote:

Tomorrow's illegitimate "declaration of independence" (and yes, the quotation marks around the phrase are highly emphasized) will spark controversy not only in the Serbian Province of Kosovo, but also in additional regions around the globe where a weak, mediocre or strong separatist voice looms in the horizon - Quebec in Canada, Cyprus in Greece, and so forth.

I find this situation unique as it is quite bluntly mocking of supposedly stringent International policies and law in regards to the autonomy and integrity of a nation - particularly in Europe. Kosovo is recognized as part of the geo-political borders of Serbia (formerly Yugoslavia), however, inhabited by Albanians who were gracefully accepted into the province by Serbia, along with its people, politicians, and so forth. As the numbers grew (of Albanian immigrants), so too did the separatist voice. Now that the Serbian populace has been displaced from the province ("ethnic cleansing" as the West and countless media outlets prefer to term a mass exodus - however, it seems as if it is termed in such a manner when Serbs are the ones orchestrating such an exodus), the separatist voice along with the separatist agenda of Kosovo's supposed Prime Minister, Hachim Thaci (who should rightfully be presented before the Hague Tribunal and indicted as a war-criminal) grows stronger, and will ultimately prevail in its mandate.

I find it quite ridiculous that the certain entities within the European Union, the United Nations, the United States, and many other accepting bodies of this illegitimate independence can somehow overrule International Law and stringent International Policies and decide the fortune and draw new borders for an autonomous European nation (Serbia). Is this a dream? Or is this a new policy in place for all of Europe? Will Cyprus be next? What about the separatist tensions in Spain?

Wake up Europe. Wake up EU. Start following the mandates you have put into place...

  • 108.
  • At 02:36 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Rob wrote:

In all this I am simply ashamed of my countries for being US puppets and recognising Kosovo's "independence". This would not have happened without US interference and support.

The US is making more and more enemies around the world. I just hope that like every empire before, it will get cut down in size and influence... the sooner the better before it creates even more damage in the world.

As for the Serbs I wish them all the best and expect them to play this smart and never give up the fight. The first thing that should happen is the break away of Serb majority areas of Kosovo. The next a partisan movement attacking the occupier of Serbia.

  • 109.
  • At 05:45 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • suresh k wrote:

Let us all see what happens after one year down the line. Whether the Albanians will be thanking the US,EU and UK then or fighting them.

  • 110.
  • At 06:31 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Mirek Kondracki wrote:

"By forcing the Poles and The Czechs to side with the US as a direct ally"
[#79)

Why don't you ask Poles and Czechs(and Estonians, and Slovaks, and Hungarians, and Latvians, and Lithuanians) how were they 'forced' into alliance with US and NATO alliance.

Ask them also whether they believe that mighty EU military forces would ever come to their defense if their independence was threatened again by increasingly agressive and bellicose sounding Russia.

Oh, and while at it, why don't you ask Bosnians, Croats, Slovenians, Macedonians, etc., how would they like to go back to Yugoslavia arrangement and rejoin Warsaw Pact?

I know results of recent polls regarding those subjects; do you?

  • 111.
  • At 06:34 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Mirek Kondracki wrote:

The Albanians will use ethnic cleansing to remove the remaining serbs. Kosovo will be another Pakistan.[#26]

That's what all authoritarian gingoistic regimes claim.

Russia got basically a free hand to topple Chechnya in blood because Putin managed to convince the West that he was dealing with an Islamic rebellion started by fanatical terrorists, and Hujintao, a quick study, followed suit by claiming the same thing when he toppled in blood Uighur uprising.

Fortunately, unlike in case of Chechnya, Dagestan and Uighuria, journalists CAN get to Kosovo and establish facts for themselves without being shot by "unknown assailants".

Having said that, I wish the British hadn't carved Ottoman Turkey in the aftermath of WWI (triggered by a Serbian terrorist bomber); there'd have been peace and stability today not only in the powder keg called Balkans but, more importantly, in the Middle East as well.

  • 112.
  • At 06:58 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • J. Popovic wrote:

For those who say there is no clear majority for secession in other regions of Europe, here are examples: Basque country, Republic of Srpska, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Bolzano-Bozen, Transdnistria, Crimea. The only issue is that people are not allowed to have a referendum there.

  • 113.
  • At 07:18 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Sladjana wrote:

Good luck UK, France and US with your new friends! Serbs are dying nation, so who cares?

  • 114.
  • At 08:26 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Anonymous wrote:

Jesus bless kosovo, kosovo will be the land of jesus

  • 115.
  • At 08:34 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Jari wrote:

I want to ask from Serbians, what is the difference of "independent" Kosovo compeared to the situation, which have been several years now? Serbia hasn`t have any power in Kosovo anyhow.
On my mind much more important question is which kind of country Kosovo will be. Will the Serbian minority have equal rights? And so. Since EU is probably pumping money to at now undeveloped and very poor country and also having the governing power, it may mean that Kosovo will develop towards good direction. Also looking from Serbian view.

In my own country, Finland, there is an autonomic area called Aland Islands, which could want to be independent. If they would deside (but they are not willing) so they surely would get their independence without any kind of fights with Finnish government. In this hypothetical case practically nothing would be changed in ordinary people`s live, since Aland would be still very probably part of EU, have similar laws and there will be no practical borders. So big deal! On the other hand I didn麓t feel it so painfull at all, if Finland would deside to be part of Sweden. I don`t think this would change my live in any ways because Sweden is also democratic country having very similar values as Finland.
But if Finland should join to Russia I would say never because that country is at now not democratic (not even close) and has quite different values as we have in Finland.

  • 116.
  • At 08:46 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • fatmir kosova wrote:

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE KOSOVA AND NEVER AGAIN UNDER REPRESION.
GOD BLESS ALBANIA,NATO COUNTRIES AND ALL WHO HELPED US TO RECLAIM OUR IDENTITY!

  • 117.
  • At 08:47 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

wonderful light. May God(jesus) bless Kosovo, congaratulation osovo people, remember your jesus lma mizoram india

  • 118.
  • At 09:00 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • George Maluchi wrote:

What do we really know about Serbs & Albanians?

Serbs are our Christians allies from 2 World Wars. Albanians are radical Muslims who support Osama BinLaden and global terrorism but pretend to be pro western so we support their independence. They have their country south of Kosovo, and are hoping to merge two, to create 鈥淕reat Albania鈥, according to promise received by Italian Nazi WWII Premier Mussolini.

Based on what I herd in New York from law enforcement specialists, and what I saw while visiting the region several times in the past 15 years, majority of Albanian youth joined terrorist KLA and Albanian mafia, which perpetuate feudal rules of blood for blood feud, underage women white slave trade, drug trafficking for the highest bidder and supermarket safe braking along the US East coast.


The only economy Albanians could ever build in Kosovo is economy of shame and our EU partners will end up supporting them forever. Just Google 鈥淎lbanian mafia鈥 and you鈥檒l see who we dealing with over here!!!

Furthermore, please note that about half of the today鈥檚 鈥渃laimed 2 Million鈥 Albanians in Kosovo came from Albania when the NATO and KLA terrorists ethnically-cleansed Serbs by forcing them to leave their homes and their land, simultaneously alleging they were the perpetrators of mass killings a shameless lie NATO could never prove valid in post war years. In one word, to one who wants to know the truth about Kosovo, this is all about the exploitation of the natural resources and oil pipeline Baku Supsa, which suppose to pass through the Kosovo.

The pity part of today鈥檚 geopolitics is that EU blindly follows US and gets involved in very immoral adventures. Keep in mind that Americans also used deliberate lies as pretext to invade Iraq and steel their oil. Let鈥檚 face it, Anglo-American cleptocratic cabala is ridden today with double standards and lack of true moral values. As such, they deserve no respect. They might steal Trepca Minerals and ore and sacred land from Serbs, but that land will never see peace. You can take this to a bank!

  • 119.
  • At 09:17 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Mentor wrote:

For all of those who still beleive that Kosova does not deserve independence, find ot about the "Operation Potkova ("Operation Potkovica") - Milosevic's Adaptation of the "Cubrilovic Plan". It just shows the continuous attempts of Serbia to eradicate Albanians. Still doubts?

  • 120.
  • At 09:30 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

The geo-political benefits to Britain and America of a Muslim-majority democracy in Europe should not be ignored when assessing the support these nations are giving the new Kosovo.

The fact that such support can limit Russian influence in the region will also not have been missed by policy makers in London and Washington.

  • 121.
  • At 09:41 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Objective wrote:


This is just a comment from non-involved individual and not taking any sides :

This does NOT sound like a
win-win situation

  • 122.
  • At 10:05 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Sasha, NZ wrote:

The amount of historical fiction posted here is staggering. Two examples:

1. Someone mentioned a century of 'apartheid, discrimination and systematic ethnic-cleansing' suffered by the Albanians in Kosovo. This person should be reminded that Kosovo Albanians had several decades of self-rule during this period, significant federal subsidies for its economy, ample representation at Federal level (even a President of Yugoslavia who was a Kosovo Albanian), University education in Albanian... During this time the number and proportion of Albanians in Kosovo increased - hardly evidence of 'ethnic cleansing.'

2.Another post mentioned that Albanians arrived in Kosovo after WW2. There has been numerous Albanian immigration since this time, however Albanians have lived in Kosovo for centuries before as well.

So both sides, get a grip! This topic is emotionally charged enough without falsehoods being thrown about.

  • 123.
  • At 10:35 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Lukas wrote:

#97, you can speak for yourself. I'm also Greek and I support neither Serbia nor Russia. And I don't see why the Albanians of Kosovo should be forced to be part of Serbia. Because there are a lot of Serbian monasteries in the region? Come on...

Same thing goes for the Serbs in Bosnia, they too should not be forced to be part of that state if they don't want to.

  • 124.
  • At 11:08 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • toby stewart wrote:

"Vera Drishti wrote:
Kosova is finally independent. Thank you, Great Britain, Thank you, United States of Amerika, Thank you, Europe. So deserved and so long waited for. Free from the Bloodsuckers Serbs. Thank you GOD, for bringing Justice to this New Born Country, after having waited so long. LONG LIVE KOSOVA INDEPENDENT, AND LONG LIVE ALBANIA. I am so proud of being Albanian.
Vera Tirana"

Says it all, really. The English and the Americans have helped the Albanian nationalists take part of Serbia.

I mean, this is from the horses mouth. Still, what does that matter? The 成人快手 will still tell us what we need to know: Kosovo is INDEPENDENT.

Long live Albania!

  • 125.
  • At 11:59 AM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Lana wrote:

To #110
"Oh, and while at it, why don't you ask Bosnians, Croats, Slovenians, Macedonians, etc., how would they like to go back to Yugoslavia arrangement and rejoin Warsaw Pact?"

Ok, Mirek, could you please stop your untiRussian lies? Jugoslavia never was a member of the Warsaw Pact.

  • 126.
  • At 01:09 PM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Sava wrote:

Maybe it will be easily to handle with the Kosovo if it has a status of independent republic.
But it will be a new challege on human rights for non-Albanians (Serbs, etc...), nearly collapsed economy and bad infrastructure.
In other hand Serbia have to find a modus to carry for their ethnic Serbs who are living actually not in the justiction of their law system...
More work less politics in the Balkan countries.

  • 127.
  • At 01:53 PM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • KFOR wrote:

After serving with KFOR under the U.S. at Camp Bondsteel and various remote post, I know first hand that neither the Serbs nor the Albanians hands are clean in regards to atrocities. Ive guarded enough Churches both Catholic and Orthodox and patrolled enough Serb villages to realize this. Our primary duties there were to enforce peace and police. We were not there to keep an eye on the Serbs, we were there to protect them from the Albanians. Ive escorted enough Serb convoys through Albanian villages to realize the distaste they have for each other. I also realize the distrust the Serbs have against EU and UN, which is completely understandable. This indeed sets a dangerous precedent throughout the world. Furthermore, the EU and UN essentially gave up. What can they do after all if the Albanians refused to live alongside the Serbs? Its fascinating to my dismay to see the propagandist depict the Serbs as vile people, when the Albanians were no better. I lived in Kosovo for a year, Ive patrolled abandoned Serb villages, you can tell when it was a Serb village by the abandoned Church in the middle. The Albanians and Serbs are good people, but that is because they are amongst there own. When I think of this situation I cant help but recall the Sudetland crisis, stark differences but yet similar. I truly believe that eventually Kosovo will either be all Albanian or all Serb, and the EU and UN dictates it to be all Albanian. Majority rules, although if it is any indication of how well majority rule such electing President Bush for example, well we can see sometimes that majority rule is not always right. My experience with the Serbs tell me they wont accept governance by Albanians, Im certain if it was vice versa the Albanians would not accept Serb rule either. As for history, the Serbs will not let history go so easy, it is after all history that make us who we are today. This is a conundrum. There is no question that historically Kosovo is Serbia and yet we are left with the Majority of Albanians who occupy it. Is Kosovo independence right? Absolutely not, but how else can this be resolved peacefully? I simply think its been concluded that since the Serb population is presently 10% of the total population of the region that the Serbs will either vacate or yield eventually. I hope the EU and UN carefully considered the "what if" scenarios. Considering the Bearucracy I really dont think they have. And we all know how well the U.S. is at Nation building......sigh

  • 128.
  • At 03:42 PM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Samuel2008 wrote:

Kkosova has always been part of the Albania, what it was known back then as Illyria.

Serbs invaded Kosova in 1912, after WW1, some of the worst mistakes in the history of mankind were inflicted into people lives.

Kosova has always been Albanian, and will awlays be so, ALbanian land at the hands of Albanians.

The genocide of the Serbian forces inflicted to Albanian population in Kosova, left thousands dead, this being proved by OSCE facts and figures.

The genocide instilled into Serbian forces, evicted millions of Albanians from their homes, homes in which they burried their dead for the past 2500 years. Check the history of Illyrians.

Constant rape were undertook by Serbian forces, on a regular basis. OSCE facts and figures.

Serbians shelled our ALbanian churches and mosques, even the hospitals were shelled with sick old people in it. Pristina and Decani hospitals.

We Albanians all we want to do is live in peace in our own homes, we will try and forget the horrible past inflicted on us by Serbs-for the sake of a harmonius future, however we like the free world in 1999 will not stand tie handed in front of another Serbian genocideal sweep.

God bless free world, for making our country free at last.

  • 129.
  • At 05:19 PM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Neil Basset wrote:

I am torn on this issue. I feel the Kosovars should be able to have control over their own lives, but in many ways they had this already. Unilateral declarations of independence tend to leave a historical legacy which have ramifications some way down the road.

We have permitted a dangerous precedent, where ethnic groups within countires with particular alleigances have been given the green light to dismember their respective countries.

Perhaps this is all for the best. Perhaps this will signal the break up of the Ukraine, with Russia supporting one half and the West supporting the other. Perhaps the increasing fragmentation of Nation States will be a good thing. But I am perhaps a little secptical there will not be tears about what has happened here in the future.

  • 130.
  • At 09:56 PM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • mim wrote:

To all Kosovar Albanians

All credit to you brothers and sisters from Kosova for your resilience, your bravery, your courage against savagery and brutality, your unflailing determination. You won over the civilised world by your words and deeds, by showing your humanity and healthy patriotism as opposed to the other side bestiality and primitive dark-age nationalism

May the future be bright and happy for you in your own free and democratic KOSOVA

  • 131.
  • At 10:34 PM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Thomas from Canada wrote:

Long live Free Kurdistan! 13 million strong spaning the border regions of 4 countries. Having a great economic basis in Kirkuk oil fields inteligent non-Arabic, mostly homogenic about 90% but Moslem population. After long-suffering oppression by Turks and Arabs they will have their country.
This is an implied promise of USA, EU and especially UK. It is a special case don't you know? After all they have been asking for a country for a longest of time.
And Kurds are just one of many to come. How about one 1/2 of Ukraine that Chrushchev stole from Russia? How about 2/5 of Georgia? How about 1/3 of Latvia? A bit of Estonia. How about 1/3 of Romania?
How about 1/3 of Sri Lanka? How about 1/4 of Slovakia? And 1/3 of Bosnia. All you people need to do is start causing trouble and before you know it, NATO will stand by you. USA and EU will legitimize you. Long live International Law! Long live USA! Long live EU! Long live the protectors of NEW International Law!

  • 132.
  • At 11:04 PM on 18 Feb 2008,
  • Irena wrote:

* 79.
* At 04:44 PM on 17 Feb 2008,
* toby stewart wrote:

"What happened, that part of serbia became 90% populated by people with loyalties to a neighbouring state?...
What happened, that part of serbia became 90% populated by people with loyalties to a neighbouring state? How would England react if Birmingham, suddenly populated by 90% ethnic Pakistanis for unknown reasons, declared itself "independent"?"Everywhere he sees ALBANIANS celebrating victory, celebrating their conquest of this new territory by waving ALBANIAN flags. Nowhere does he report Kosovars celebrating Kosovar"
Question for Toby: Do you know what was the flag of Kosovo (no matter what status it was) within Yugoslavia?
It was that same Albanian flag. Doesn't that tell you that maybe, just maybe Kosovo has to be given back to Albania.
As for the fact that there were no new Kosovo flags during the celebration, it is only because the citizens had to be introduced the declaration with the new flag. Therefore, you will see the new flag as of Monday, when other countries in the world will start to recognize Kosovo's Independence.
Thank you Mark Mardell for creating this blog, so some confused people will be able to understand things and make some stronger analogies than this. I'm not only talking about this particular example I just chose, there are lots and lots of them.
Congradulations Kosovo. It was about time for you to see some justice.Enjoy and be smart!

Irena

  • 133.
  • At 02:20 AM on 19 Feb 2008,
  • arben hoxha wrote:

I wish you mark and all of people you don't know nothing about kosovo read noel malcom - a short history of kosovo !
Peace and god bless precius freedom !

  • 134.
  • At 03:59 AM on 19 Feb 2008,
  • Dragos Neacsu wrote:

To Matthew Walsh: In Serbia, which as far as I remember is a STATE, the Albanians are a minority. If I were to use your argument, eliminating Kosovo from the picture and concentrating on Serbia as a state, the Albanians shouldn't have any right to break away because they remain a minority which can not impose its desires on the majority. The fallacy of your argument is that you assume that the Albanians have a majority; as an entity, Kosovo is nothing but a province of Serbia and according to international law, it is subject to the Serbian government.

  • 135.
  • At 09:05 AM on 19 Feb 2008,
  • vasque wrote:

Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. It does not belong to Slobodan Milosevic or paramilitary formations on either Serbian or Albanian side. Not to illegally settled million or so of Albanians who ran away from ex-communist Albania to Kosovo where Serbs (ironically) welcomed them as refugees for decades.

For all atrocities on Albanian side committed by Serbian leader, the Serbian Leader needed to be jailed and prosecuted in accordance with the International law. Same should have been done to Albanian leader Hashim Techi (yet he is portrayed as a diplomat). And same should happen to all those who supported killings and raged war in the region.

Since not all (not even majority) Serbs supported Slobodan and his criminal activities, it is unfair that we punish the whole of Serbian nation by this gross generalization and satanisation. I remember protests in Serbia against Milosevic in 1991 and 1997. Majority of Serbians supported the opposition. So why is it fair now that we label them all bad and take away the right from their future generations to visit the graveyards of their ancestors on Kosovo and call it their land as they did for over millennia!?

Ah, hang on, that's right - because US has military base in Abania and they got nukes.

In a word, it's a bad and unjust decision that will seed hate and conflict not just in Europe but the whole world. It is an example of 'might is right' and where we failed as we close eyes on torture and pain of Serbs who live behind the barbwire in a name of 'moving forward' and avoidance of conflict with the mighty US.

We failed to protect very basic human rights of all non-Albanian citizens in Kosovo, who do not want to be part of Albania (Kosovo is independent? yeah right). You may think it's "only" 10%, but that is over 200,000 people who looked at the international community and UN in hope of peaceful and just solution.

What they got is a spit in a face, with a smile.

  • 136.
  • At 06:13 PM on 19 Feb 2008,
  • Hysen Lici wrote:

After the collapse of Berlin Wall, this was the greatest event in European history. Kosovo deserves to live in peace with other national minorities in its land, after almost one century that thousands of kosovars were killed and discriminated. That was another 鈥渉olocaust 鈥渋n modern time.

Europe and USA finally corrected the big mistake they did in 1912 and the justice was put back.

  • 137.
  • At 08:04 PM on 19 Feb 2008,
  • Radmila wrote:

As Serbian (that fought in many demonstrations in Belgrade against Milosevic's politic and constitution of democratic society) I must say that I am angry and disappointed in treatment that we have from USA and EU. I just can't forgive myself for spending months on the Belgrade's streets fighting for something that now looks unworthy (I mean on democracy, low and justice). Just one big THANKS to USA and EU for opening my eyes, I know that now I am sure that here in Serbia we don't need democracy if it mean that if you are stronger you will win no mater what.

  • 138.
  • At 12:04 AM on 20 Feb 2008,
  • mim wrote:

Vasque

I appreciate your sense of humor but you have blown it out of any proportions when you write about a million or so Albanians who ran away from Albania and settled in Kosova during communist times.

Surprise, surprise, nobody did not even notice (apart from you) this "mass exodus" of cataclismic proportions of Albanians from Albania into Kosova at the time of the Cold War when the borders were strictly guarded across Europe, let alone Albania, the most isolated and closed country for almost 50 years of communism

I would be thankful if you could cite at least one source of your information which is excellent stuff for under 12 year-olds

Next time don't forget to also mention that at the time when "a million or so Albanians fled" Albania was about one million inhabitants. I let it to you to do the maths

  • 139.
  • At 05:34 AM on 20 Feb 2008,
  • shkendije wrote:

Why Canada is not recognizing Kosova's independence yet???

  • 140.
  • At 03:37 PM on 20 Feb 2008,
  • Oltion wrote:

All I would like to say is that history in general is written by winners. The serbs claim that Kosovar Albanians are not descendants of Illyrians, I will than pose a question who did you displace and murder when you initially came from the lost mountains of caucas? Where did these Illyrians go? Hw can the victimizer turn into a victim? Serbia brought this upon itself. They forget that in 1913 in the conference of London they were rewarded with Kosovo for part taking in the balkans war. Albania was carved and it was the only nation at the time bordered by its own people. You Serbs forget the derogatory terms for Kosovar Albanians "Shiftar". How can a nation be so cruel and without conscience? Where was mother France (as Serbs used to refer to France today). Please do not bite the hand that fed you for so long. It is your fault for all you have lost and the Albanians deserve it for all the oppresion they have suffered.

  • 141.
  • At 01:54 PM on 22 Feb 2008,
  • Mirek Kondracki wrote:

"Why Canada is not recognizing Kosova's independence yet???" [#139]


Perhaps to protect its embassy staff in Belgrade?

[It's not covered by NORAD umbrella]

  • 142.
  • At 08:01 AM on 23 Feb 2008,
  • Angelo wrote:

Gentlemen,
lets not fool our selves.Kosovo was and is part of Serbia.If it was not for America to set foot on Balkans and control the region to their own interest they wouldnt support the "indipedence" of Kossovo.
I am Greek and I know what the Americans do,shame on you all that you dont want to see,satisfied with what you get,which is nothing.Look what is happening to Cyprus,which has been invated from Turkey and there we have a proof of teh crime.It only happend in 1974.Why nobody is doing something?Why should they?It is against their interest.So spare your words for freedom and indepedence,Kourds are leaving in the north part of Turkey for ages,they strugle for their rights,but guess what!they are terorists!and yet Kosovars,they are not....

  • 143.
  • At 10:31 AM on 23 Feb 2008,
  • Luljeta wrote:

Hello Mark,

I'm pleased and honored that somebody like you is observing the situation in Kosovo.This means that we are not along!

I'm an Albanian living in Kosovo.I know that this is very painfull for Serbia to exept our independence, but they do not feel shame at all what they have done to us through these years and they still want to countinue. No, this will not work anymore, those who wants to live in Kosovo they can live and not create problems for us, our generation have suffered enough and we want our new generation to enjoy the freedom from Serbia forever and to develope our contry for the good.I would like to thank to all that supported us.

  • 144.
  • At 04:03 PM on 23 Feb 2008,
  • Kate wrote:

West knows best,right? Just another step closer to Russia? Go to hell for now trying to provoke another war on the BALKANS by trying to create a GREATER Albania!!!Explain to the rest of the world what will the WEST do for not changing the borders with the neighbours of kosovo?
Macedonia for example???And what is going on with Their name,please explain?????
Hope for once you will make the right desicion and understand that Macedonia has always been Macedonia!!!

  • 145.
  • At 11:33 AM on 25 Feb 2008,
  • Kosovari wrote:

Dear Mark,

After all those years Kosova has declared its independence. Well (independence)!! Our constitution gives more rights to the community then to majority of people of Kosova. The serbs always complain that they have not got enough rights but that is totally unacceptable as they have more rights than international law allows them to have and they have more rights than any other community in another democratic country. Our national flag does not represent just Kosovans but it represents all the people that live in Kosovo. They have their language as a second language in every letter that is published, even in the parliament they stand and speak in Serbian etc. I really do believe that the biggest gainer in this independence are the Serbs and biggest losers are Kosovans taking into account to what we have suffered until yesterday and continue to do so and we still get pressured up by the international community to give the Serbs more rights as if they have not got enough. What do Albanians in South Serbia, Montenegro or Macedonia have compare to the Serbs of Kosova absolutely no right at all.

Thanks

  • 146.
  • At 01:54 PM on 25 Feb 2008,
  • Nats wrote:

Mark Mardell, your journalism is, frankly, irresponsible.
Maybe you should try knitting instead, they have some very good sheep there, obviously :)

  • 147.
  • At 10:22 PM on 25 Feb 2008,
  • Laert Dogjani wrote:

Mark, please read number 118. There must be a limit.

@vasque 135. The radical party still gets from 30-40% of votes in Serbia. I am not including the percentage milosevich's party gets. And this did not just happen the day after Kosova got its independence...

  • 148.
  • At 05:33 PM on 26 Feb 2008,
  • Mirek Kondracki wrote:

Re #147

I've read #118.

Well, freedom of speech means that even the most irresponsible, racist
gingoist can have his/her say as well.


Well educated readers should be able to judge for themselves and draw their own conclusions re IQ of a writer.

  • 149.
  • At 11:48 AM on 07 Mar 2008,
  • Enis wrote:

Well what could be said, Independence at last, so much dreamed for, moreover, for so long. Well, we are awake, it has happened, and everyone, including Kosova and Serbia must wake up from the long slumber and look towards the future. Yes it is true, Kosovars have a long way ahead. The re-building must start, and I must say not from zero, but from sub-zero levels. Many will argue that Kosovo cannot support itself as an independent state. Well, not yet, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. Given a chance, Kosovars will prove themselves as something they always were, genuinely hard working and hungry to succeed. At least, if, and I will re-iterate only IF Kosovo fails, for a change, it will only have itself to blame. It is very premature to comment as such, and to use this statement as an excuse to oppose the Kosovo Independence. It is true that in the past 9 years, since Kosovo was not governed by Serbia, no major improvements happened. Just as an explanation, any 'not so developed' country can improve their standards by allowing foreign investors to help at a mutual gain. Now, if we put ourselves at an investor鈥檚 point of view: Would you invest in a region, which has unclear status?? Would you put your large funds at such risk?? Of course not, that is a looser formula.
Kosovo is very rich in numbers of minerals. These facilities were only used during the existence of the Former Yugoslavia. And everyone must know this fact: The Kosovars never saw any benefit from these riches. In fact, all working people in the Former Yougoslavia paid a percentage of their salaries for the development of Kosovo, which in fact was the least developed region of this former country. So, for those of you wandering if this helped, the answer is NO. The next question you will make is WHY??!! Well none of these monies reached Kosovo. I do not wish to participate in a bickering and throwing accusations of WHO pocketed these monies. Those who know know the deal. But lets move on. Serbs may argue that Kosovo is Serbia, so it was in its rights to use these riches, which in my opinion, is probably the main reason why Serbs refuse to admit loss.
I would like to elaborate on that. I grew up in Prishtina, and left for UK when I was 17 years old, in 1991.
I remember watching childeren programes on TV, which were mainly in Serbian language. I would like to re-call one in particular, which I know that all people from my generation remember. It was called 'Branko Kockica'. Although I enjoyed watching, what I recall from one episode in particular, to which at the time I was oblivious, made me realise the mentality, moreover the contradiction of the Serbian government, media, and as last it's people.
Let me elaborate:

Child: 'Branko, how did we get here??'

Branko: 'Well, we come from far away, we travelled a lot, and when we arrived here (probably meant Kosovo) we said we like it, and we stayed on.'

Historically, Slavs came on the 8th century. My father (who by the way is a very educated man) seems to think that they came even earlier, which probably is true. Now, I read a lot of media, and cant help but to be slightly upset, not with the fact that this issue (Slav arrival) is mentioned throughout, but with the lack of information that this media gives. OK, we know now that they came then. But what about before they came?? Does anyone with the right frame of mind believe that they just arrived and the whole territory was without any inhabitants?? If we were to go so far back in history, I am sure I will upset many of our current neighbours with some facts (proved in all) as to how far our ancestor鈥檚 borders went, so I do not wish to do that. What has happened in the past, I would like to keep in the past. Civilisation since then has come a long way, so I urge everyone else to do the same (you know who you are). All us Kosovars are not aiming for a Greater Albania, although collaboration cultural or economical will be very welcome. What we are saying is STOP stripping us of the last possessions we have left. All the past occupiers just came, used and abused our nation. Our ancestors lived by a code of honour, where A MAN'S WORD IS A MAN'S WORD. The weakness we had: 'all people think this way'. Unfortunately for our history, it was not the case. We were stripped of our honour. So this Nation today is a bi-product of the past, centuries old oppression.

AND LOOK AT US NOW. I AM PROUD OF ALL ALBANIANS, IN ALL REGIONS. We survived and endured a lot, and we still have a smile on our face. This is a great moment in our, and world history. The recognition does not derive only from the situation of the past 20 years of Serb centralised rule, but it is also an acknowledgement of the mistakes made in the past by many other nations, where many regions of Albania were annexed to various different parts. So I would like, on behalf of our entire nation, to thank everyone for the support, and that we all hear your acknowledgement.

To the Serbian people, please move on, the Serb population remaining has been given more constitutional rights than any other country is offering to their ethnic minorities. The fact is that they are minorities in Kosovo, and they have always been so. Let the bygones be bygones, we will not treat you the same way you treated us. There are all these foreign organisations that will supervise each step of our development, with power to make a change. Accept Kosovo, as it is inevitable step foreword. The quicker you act, the quicker we'll join Europe. Advice: RIDE THE WAVE DO NOT GO AGAINST IT.

PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE

  • 150.
  • At 11:24 AM on 08 Mar 2008,
  • avanti wrote:

if it wouldn't be for Germany, the country's of Yugoslavia maybe wouldn't be free today. They are the one who pushed UK and USA to back Kosovo. They also helped build the UCK.

In the beginning the UK and USA as the UN were very reluctant to support independence.

  • 151.
  • At 11:56 AM on 08 Mar 2008,
  • Drago wrote:

So Greece is the Serbs best friend now ha ?

doesnt surprise me !

when Serbia was slaughtering Bosnian and Croat and Kosovan Children, Greece was still supporting and Helping to Serbia.

  • 152.
  • At 03:27 PM on 27 Mar 2008,
  • wrote:

I would like to say that there was another Country called The Republic of Lakota, they Declared their Independence well before Kosovo did. Very little people knew about it because Corporate America did'nt want this story to get out, But Thanks to the Internet word is getting out, The New Republic has been Visited by the Turkish, Russian, 成人快手, and a few other Media Groups to Highlight their Plight. This New Provisional Government is Perfectly Legal under Article 6 US Constitution, within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the International Community in 1980. Last September the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples- despite opposition from the US which said it clashed with its own laws . This is a peace loving Nation That Deserves to be Recognised by the International Community and beyond .

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