Tuesday, 23 October, 2007
- 23 Oct 07, 07:55 PM
Energy
It's not clear whether anyone is trying to change the facts on renewable energy targets (20% of all energy by 2020!! Up from just 2% now), but environmental groups seem to think the government is planning some kind of U-turn to "keep the nuclear industry happy". Stephanie Flanders is figuring out what is going on, and looks into Gordon Brown's mixed record on climate change.
Yates
John Yates of the Yard appeared in front of MPs over his inquiry into the so-called cash for honours scandal. Did anyone try to lean on him? How cooperative was Downing Street? Where did all the leaks come from?
Iran
Iran's nuclear negotiator changed today in talks with the EU. Rather like a rewriting of Churchill's description of Moscow under the Bolsheviks, Iran's leadership is "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma". Paul Mason has the job of decoding it tonight.
Trimble
"Misunderstanding the lessons" from Northern Ireland. David Trimble is tired of politicians drawing glib lessons from Ulster and trying to use it for conflicts across the world. He tells us why.
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Apologies for tonight's technical problems with this blog - should be fine now.
Peter
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I was looking forward to the discussion about the Government's apparent attempt to do a U-Turn on its renewable energy committments but Gavin Esler completely faile to get to the heart of the problem.
The GreenPeace spokesman claimed that today's leaked Govt. memo actually says it was quite possible to achieve 20% renewable in electricity by 2020 if it had the will but...
Then Esler perhaps not realising haat had been said cut the GreenPeace spokesman off and ignored what had been revealed (or alleged) and turned to the Conservative spokesman (who appeared to be some sort of nuclear casualty) and the piece suitably missing the point and dumbing down in one deft new 成人快手 cost-cutting manoeuvre turned it into an inquiry as to why GreenPeace refuses to support ther nuclear industry.
All very disappointing, Esler is not up to the task and one gets the feeling that the editors are tired, not interested and just going through the motions.
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YATES
How low have we fallen when the chairman of a Select Committee asks the totally improper question: "Have you uncovered a trade in peerages?"
The look of quiet contempt on Yates' face, as he declined to be manipulated, spoke volumes about a pathetic political elite, so abley typified by the Chairman of that committee. Weep Britain.
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What kind of a question is 鈥渋s there no scientific argument that could convince you of the case for nuclear?鈥!
Leaving aside Gavin Estler鈥檚 obvious misconception of the absolute nature of science 鈥 what was the Greenpeace representative to say?....Yes if scientists could promise me nuclear power was safe to operate, waste could be stored safely for the next x 100,000 years until it had decayed to safe levels, we would discover infinite reserves of nuclear ore and miraculously make it cheap to construct operate and decommission, and also science to prove it would not take valuable resources away from adopting the only long term solution 鈥 renewables. Science cannot make these arguments and to effectively silence the Greenpeace guy by insisting he answer this ridiculous question whilst simultaneously displaying Estler鈥檚 ignorance of the subject by allowing the Conservative MEP to lie to the effect that Britain has a storage solution (let alone a proven safe one) Was inexcusable. Can we please have a balanced debate where informed people, against nuclear power, get the opportunity to counter some of the propaganda spouted by the pro nuclear lobby. Newsnight should do better than this in challenging the patently dubious status quo.
Dr James Fisher BSc, PhD.
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Why don't politicians tell the truth that wind farms are totally incapable of providing a sustained input to the national grid and if the 20% target is reached the result will be regular power cuts. I suspect that the contribution of wind energy over the past week has been negligible, just when the cold weather comes and energy demand is at its highest. Regular power cuts could result in anarchy in the larger towns and cities, but I suspect that the supporters of the likes of Greenpeace will have got rid of all the farmers by then through TB in badgers and moved out into the country themselves.
Newsnight has amply proved that micro wind turbines are almost useless in the " Ethical Man " series and it would appear that the large ones are not much better. NN could have reported the findings of Prof Ian Fells a couple of months ago, and that a leading member of WREN publically admitted that wind farms were inefficient anywhere in England and Wales, which I presume includes the sea. The only practical method of reducing the UK's CO2 emissions is Nuclear, not much of a risk when many heavily exposed to radiation people appear fit and healthy in a recent programme about the Windscale accident in 1957.
Blair didn't care about the future of our country, he can easily set targets for UK CO2 when he is likely to end up living in the USA where the government have more sense at least on energy policy if not much else.
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Why was there a Greenpeace loser on at all? Where is their political mandate? They got almost no votes at the last election so why do they get so much airtime?
Also, why didn't anyone have the brains to ask just how we are going to provide ADDITIONAL energy for the expected extra 20 million people we are going to have to put up with over the next 30 years?
A few windmills won't solve that one.
Greenpeace are muppets and the 成人快手 litlte better.
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That long pause when Yates was asked if there was 'a trade in peerages' said it all did it not? Meanwhile,
up here in Newsnight Scotland land,
no sign of Douglas Alexander being
held accountable for the Holyrood election fiasco which he organises
from Dover House in London when he
was Secretary of State. The report
produced by Ron Goold an election
expert from Canada who was tasked
with investigation into the fiasco
rather than accede to the judicial
enquiry for which the SNP call for
on the night, is pretty damning. I was heartened to see that George Osborne was calling for Alexander
(who also failed to appear in the
House of Commons to face criticism)
to 'consider his position'. Goold seems to be saying that at every stage UK Ministers put "partisan"
interest first - and treated the
electorate as "an afterthought".
On Newsnight Scotland the Tory MP
David Mundell gave examples of how Labour Party proposals to group the Labour candidates on the ballot form, for example, led to long debates before these proposals
were rejected and he suggested
that it was this kind of party
political delay that then led
to key decisions being taken in a rush and against expert advice.
It would appear there is a case to answer - but where was Alexander?
Like his boss McAvity Broon, he is
now nowhere to be seen ...........!
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That long pause when Yates was asked if there was 'a trade in peerages' said it all did it not? Meanwhile,
up here in Newsnight Scotland land,
no sign of Douglas Alexander being
held accountable for the Holyrood election fiasco which he organises
from Dover House in London when he
was Secretary of State. The report
produced by Ron Goold an election
expert from Canada who was tasked
with investigation into the fiasco
rather than accede to the judicial
enquiry for which the SNP call for
on the night, is pretty damning. I was heartened to see that George Osborne was calling for Alexander
(who also failed to appear in the
House of Commons to face criticism)
to 'consider his position'. Goold seems to be saying that at every stage UK Ministers put "partisan"
interest first - and treated the
electorate as "an afterthought".
On Newsnight Scotland the Tory MP
David Mundell gave examples of how Labour Party proposals to group the Labour candidates on the ballot form, for example, led to long debates before these proposals
were rejected and he suggested
that it was this kind of party
political delay that then led
to key decisions being taken in a rush and against expert advice.
It would appear there is a case to answer - but where was Alexander?
Like his boss McAvity Broon, he is
now nowhere to be seen ...........!
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Girl explains that she has been imprisoned in Afghanistan for escaping rapist to whom she was sold at 10 years old.
Gavin Esler asks Afghan govt spokesman about this.
Afghan govt spokesman says "we do have these cases, it is unfortunate" as though he is talking about the flu.
Gavin Esler apparently fails to notice that he did not get an answer and fails to seek one, ending with "thank you very much".
Hopeless, hopeless, hopeless.
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Martin (6) Clearly we can't rely on all of our contributors having a strong political mandate or else the programme would be a rather grey stretch of politicians from the three main parties. The Green Party, I would argue, are well qualified to discuss the issue of renewable energy and on this particular occassion, had a copy of the leaked government document. It was to our advantage to see this document first hand and followed that we should interview them about its findings.
Maybe we didn't need the green party in the studio as well as in the package? Who else should we have interviewed? I'd place more than an evens bet we'll return to the subject. Neil.
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Richard Barnes
we're all getting tired... tired of the lack of self-awareness of environmentalism. the only rational explanation for the continued opposition to nuclear is that such opposition arose as part of the peace movement and the peace movement and the environmental movement are both part of the broad cultural shift to liberalism of the baby boomer generation. the chap from greenpeace was exposed as irrational because he is not prepared to consider the possibility that nuclear energy, not nuclear weapons, may have a role to play - whatever that role is. this is an absolutist stance and not surprisingly much of his argument was prefixed with either absolute;y or actually - these are the green moralists, no different in essence from the moral reform movement of the 19thcentury or indeed muslimism today.
Franglasia, thank you for your comment. I too noticed Gavin's rather glib approach to the inteview. He also said 'how does that happen, what do you make of it?', as if Gavin was not aware fo the history of women's emancipation, it was ridiculous, he may just as well have said 'woss tha' all abou', then?' in a squeaky essex accent. I think Gavin is too used to comparing dateline london, everyone has their say, the arabs and africans argue with the americans and uk and then the french man tells everyone off and they all have a good laugh and say 'see yuo next week!'. It's the party politicis that has taken over from Party politics, the sort that has some sort of systemic ideology.
and this was shown again when david trimble made it clear that he had not come on newsnight to play is-isn't 成人快手 word games, but to make a very serious point about our shallow culture - dialogue, that's all we need, come on, let's have a meeting, can you order refreshments please miss moneypenny?
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Martin (6) Clearly we can't rely on all of our contributors having a strong political mandate or else the programme would be a rather grey stretch of politicians from the three main parties. The Green Party, I would argue, are well qualified to discuss the issue of renewable energy and on this particular occassion, had a copy of the leaked government document. It was to our advantage to see this document first hand and followed that we should interview them about its findings.
Maybe we didn't need the green party in the studio as well as in the package? Who else should we have interviewed? I'd place more than an evens bet we'll return to the subject. Neil.
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Sir, David Trimble as an authority on conflict? Is this the same Trimble who stymied the peace process for years, who obstructed Blair with his last minute objections to the minority catholics ever having a foot in the door, who said nothing about sectarian violence from the Loyalist majority and yet he is to be revered as an 'elder statesman'....surely not. We do have short memories.
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Sir, David Trimble as an authority on conflict? Is this the same Trimble who stymied the peace process for years, who obstructed Blair with his last minute objections to the minority catholics ever having a foot in the door, who said nothing about sectarian violence from the Loyalist majority and yet he is to be revered as an 'elder statesman'....surely not. We do have short memories.
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Re; DR FISHER No. 4
The point that science is not absolute, as Dr Fisher makes clear, needs amplifying daily. In the climate-change arena, the idea that a lot of lettered scientists must be right, if they all agree, is an "indefensible truth". Science can only ever be the slow erosion of each successive hypothesis; it should never be absolute espousal of anything.
Likewise THE ACQUISITION OF USEABLE ENERGY IS IN ITS INFANCY. A lot of work is being done in areas where "consensus science" fears to tread. By way of example if you want to break free go to
and prepare to be amazed.
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(12) Of course I meant to say Greenpeace as opposed to Green Party. Teach me to write something so early!
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I was rather disappointed at Esler's approach at talking over the Greenpeace rep', as well as the Greenpeace rep' being such a wet blanket. He could quite easily have pointed out that today, less Uranium is produced than is used by Nuclear Reactors (the extra fuel is being taken from decommissioned nuclear warheads) and that the ability of the uranium mines to keep up with demand is severely limited. That's why the spot price for Uranium has multiplied over recent years.
So do we really want to invest in a technology whose fuel is going to become even more expensive and possibly even short in supply during the 21st Century?
Don't believe me? Then check out reports on the World Nuclear Association's web site, as well as the Uranium report from the German Energy Watch Group.
Jason Cole, powerswitch.org.uk
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Dear Newsnight
The big problem that may face the world one day is a world without problems,
re science, as we roll back science we must also change as rapidly from ape to man otherwise we will use this new found knowledge to destroy ourselves,
just my thoughts, may be wrong.
best wishes
Bob
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I just wanted to add a bit more about the treatment of the energy issue in last nights programme.
I think the government needs to be put a bit more on the spot over the need to cut pollution. We will need more power generation of all sorts but the issues are how much CO2 can be cut per pound invested; and how much does large investment in things like the Bristol barrage and nuclear power will squeeze out other simpler and quicker solutions (such as insulation and micro chp).
Also why do they not promote faster and simpler solutions to meet the CO2 reduction targets.
For instance, enforcing existing speed limits would reduce emmissions from motorised transport by 10%; and another 10% saving could be achieved by cutting the speed limit to 60mph. Cost would 300 million changing the road signs and time scale about six months. Compare that to the 15 years and 15 billion proposed for new nuclear stations or the tidal barrage. This sort of descrepancy between words and deeds needs to be brought out; it implies that they are only playing lip service to the problem and have perhaps considered that the problem is not solvable and it is just a matter as keeping the show on the road as the 21st centuary unfolds as best we can (peak oil, energy wars; climate change; population increase and all). If we don't get some better vision and braver action from our leaders the 21st century could be even more unpleasent and dangerous than the 20th. And if they aren't able to take a minor unpopular decision like reducing speed limits how will they deal with greater challenges later on.
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Cutting the national speed limit from the current 70 to 60 in unlikely to achieve any significant reduction in transport emissions. Having done all the relevant vehicle science greater reductions in pollution could be achieved by increasing the 30 Mph limit up to 40 where road conditions allow. Are you saying that Sir Frank Whittle was wrong when he worked out that with an inefficient heat engine the faster you go the less time it takes and therefore you use less fuel. The current 40 Mph goods vehicle speed limit on A roads is a prime example, ignore it and achieve a 15% reduction in fuel consumption. It is probable that the 56 Mph speed limiters on HGV's have saved nothing in fuel consumption, above a certain speed a large vehicle creates its own aerodynamic aero-foil, I have experienced this in practice, its just like falling through an invisible wall. If you don't believe me check out the OU science programme archives from the 1980s, there is a pretty good one on just this subject. Air resistance is insignificant at speeds below about 100 Mph, its just car manufacturer's sales bullshit that you need it at lower speed.
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Missed the show but the blog has proven... interesting.
I was getting a bit confused by the interchangeability of the Green Party and Greenpeace. Good to see the cutback money is now being invested wisely in Strictly Come Celebanything. I guess I should ignore all 成人快手 output at odd times as suspect in future.
And nice to see that the IT 'system' treats even those who run it with the fruits of its duplicationist nature (10 & 12) at times, too.
Still can't quite figure out why the moderator can't deal with these, though.
ps: Barely worth trying to debate the state of this country's renewables record/policies. But if I hear the word 'target' one more time I think I may just have to pin one on the self-serving clowns who see setting, and then missing (or changing) them as serving the public or their trust with funding well.
How much is being p*ssed away in this box-ticking obsessed culture these days, where hype and spin are valued so much more than actually doing a darn thing that helps or works?
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Your blog is getting better and better! Previous posts were good, but this one is just FABULOUS.
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