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Wednesday, 12 September, 2007

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  • 12 Sep 07, 05:53 PM

Gerry and Kate McCannMcCann Investigation
We're planning to lead the programme tonight with an exclusive interview secured by our Science Editor Susan Watts about the DNA evidence in the case of Madeleine McCann.

And Madeleine Holt is in the Algarve talking to the Portuguese media about the criticism they've faced about lurid headlines and unattributable sources. Some of what they've reported weeks ago was officially denied but has turned out to be the case. So have they been vindicated?

FMD
Just days after the county was declared Foot and Mouth free, another outbreak has been confirmed in Surrey, and there are suggestions that a pig farm in Norfolk may also be affected. We'll have the latest.

Quality of life
The Conservatives' Quality of Life report is out tomorrow, over 500 pages of ex-tree. Newsnight's seen a copy, and we'll be assessing whether the welter of policy proposals, from taxing parking in the workplace to creating a Public Diet Institute will really have a postive impact on our quality of life. We hope to speak to one of the report's authors later.

Iraq troops
We've heard nothing from the two men credited with "authoring" the US Iraq surge strategy since General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker began their assessment of its effectiveness to US congress on Monday. We'll have the first interview with one of them tonight.

Led Zep
And, believe it or not, the debate that's been raging in certain parts of our newsroom today: were Led Zeppelin a heavy metal or a blues band? It hasn't come entirely out of the ether - the band's promoters have announced today that they are getting back together for a special gig at the O2 centre. Peter Marshall will put the question to bed tonight, with the help of a rather impressive tribute band.

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  • 1.
  • At 07:48 PM on 12 Sep 2007,
  • csharp wrote:

More trial by media? It's what public service is all about.

Portuguese Judge Mulls Madeleine Mccann Charges

A judge in Portugal has 10 days to consider whether charges should be filed against the British parents of missing Madeleine McCann.

Prosecutors reportedly suspect Kate and Gerry McCann, both 39-year-old British doctors, had a hand in the disappearance of their 4-year-old daughter May 3 from a resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, while they were out having dinner.

The couple have denied any involvement in the girl's disappearance.

FOOT AND MOUTH PERSISTENCE

With a science background, I am familiar with the need to design tests with careful consideration of how variables impinge on results. We are given vague time spans for the survival of the Foot and Mouth virus but has anyone tested survival in the environment that is created when mud is compacted into tyre tread? It just so happens that in the last hour, a neat piece of formed mud dropped from the tread of my Wellington boot. Had I been on infected land- EVEN AFTER DUNKING OR SPRAYING - might not some live virus now be exposed, held in anaerobic suspension, and protected from disinfectant, below a plug of mud or clay?

  • 4.
  • At 10:37 PM on 12 Sep 2007,
  • D Allan wrote:

mr brown promises to get to the root of the latest foot and mouth outbreak. Really? I thought a report on the bio security some years ago at pirbright pointed out the problem very well. the short term memory loss of our politicians astounds. mr brown next will be saying he had nothing to do with a vote on going to war in iraq or the fact he was 2nd in command of blairs goverment when the dossier was fabricated. is mobile phone use to blame i wonder. he probably cant remember that other country's were also warning his goverment about certain elements within the muslim comunity who were preaching mass killing. i wonder if mr brown remembers the slogan tough on crime tough on the causes of crime, or announcing to mother earth in the middle of the worst floods in england for years that he was going to build 3 million houses on flood plains without stilts. better for him to conveniently forget that one among others. does he remember how many of our people have been killed abroad due to him penny pinching? 75 pence for pensioners 9 billion to the back pockets of african dictators. at least 30 army folk blown to pieces in soft skinned landrovers a c130 crew + others brought down because of a lack of fuel supressant. will the bbc have this same lack of memory loss come the next election i wonder. it will go down like a lead balloon in my house if they do.

  • 5.
  • At 10:58 PM on 12 Sep 2007,
  • D Kirk wrote:

It is the height of hypocrisy to blame the professional and legal requirements of Portuguese police secrecy on a previous fascist regime when it is clearly a smoke screen for blood lust of the rabid media, including the 成人快手, for any and all details about a criminal investigation.

If there are no new hard facts to report then the 成人快手 shouldn't fall into the tabloid trap of reporting any old rumour. I though you had learned this from the Hutton Report. You're reporters complain about having to report rumour when the professional thing to do is not to report anything at all. You are constantly smearing the Portuguese police for acting professionally and more importantly complying with the law. And before you site the UK police's relationship with the media you must first accept the lengths the senior officers of the police have gone to to cut down on leaks to the media. And you must also accept the complaints of the police and the judiciary about threatening the viability of successful prosecutions because of irresponsible media reporting. You are cavalier about sub judice and I don't just mean the letter of the law but the spirit as well.

  • 6.
  • At 11:13 PM on 12 Sep 2007,
  • Rich wrote:

Why is Newsnight interviewing people from the "American Enterprise Institute"? This neocon organisation sent letters to scientists offering them $10,000 each if they'd critique global warming. And yet some bloke from this "independent" neocon organisation is interviewed about the Iraq war???

  • 7.
  • At 11:21 PM on 12 Sep 2007,
  • A. Howlett wrote:

The outbreak six years ago was very suspicious - I'm not saying the government started it, but they certainly seemed eager to destroy as many animals & farms as possible. I still suspect they wanted to make way for cheap imports from the new EU members, whose economies were heavily reliant on agriculture. Now we have another outbreak, after the one a few weeks ago fizzled out. Odd.

  • 8.
  • At 11:25 PM on 12 Sep 2007,
  • Bob Charles wrote:

Many of the Tories' green proposals sound quite sensible (assuming you accept the whole GW hysteria), and at least they are against any kind of road-pricing. However, they need to make it clear exactly waht they stand for and what they would do in government, because at the moment their messages are confused and unclear.

  • 9.
  • At 01:05 AM on 13 Sep 2007,
  • the cookie ducker wrote:

Having worshipped at the alter of Led Zeppelin in my youth, i will be interested to see if Page, Plant and Jones can still do their old tunes justice, and who will play the drums? phil collins maybe... maybe not. oh and by the way, there is no debate about Zeps musical backbone;its the blues. The tribute band was tight(very good).

  • 10.
  • At 09:34 AM on 13 Sep 2007,
  • Bedd Gelert wrote:

Is there really much to be gained by more coverage of the McCann case at a stage where the main protagonists are precluded by legal process from the open discussion of the case ?

That said if anyone can neutralise some of the worst effects of misinformation, speculation and partial reporting it is likely to be Susan Watts and Newsnight.

At the risk of contradicting my first paragraph, and adding more fuel to the fire of a story which is out of control, would it not be useful to speak to the family of that lady who is in prison for allegedly doing what the lynch mob are accusing Mrs McCann of ? If the detective involved is the same, and there has been a potential miscarriage of justice in that case, this would seem more significant than much of the idle tittle-tattle which passes for news in the Daily Express.

  • 11.
  • At 10:13 AM on 13 Sep 2007,
  • wappaho wrote:

To take D. Kirk's post - the McCann's case has huge cultural and political interest. The case has created pressure on Portuguese institutions to change - yet again the British way proves to be the most effective and the history of how institutions evolve is not only relevant but the future of social understanding - Marx understood this but I am in no way implying the solution is communism, far from it, but awareness of how we process information and who has a right to it is important to discuss, the McCann's are merely a trigger to that debate.

  • 12.
  • At 10:22 AM on 13 Sep 2007,
  • liam wrote:

brrrraaaaappppp

  • 13.
  • At 10:27 AM on 13 Sep 2007,
  • pippop wrote:

This twist that focuses on Kate McCann is yet another example of our primitive need to attack the MOTHER, any mother, who must take the blame for all things, especially those which are unexplained. It's what fuels our misogyny, which prevails in all societies including those who believe themselves to be modern!

Remember Angela Cannings? We were absolutely certain that she was guilty, so certain that we sent her to prison. She was vilified and pursued to her final destruction, labelled as a murderer of her children who actually died from cot death. There were other mothers in this category who we, (society) sacrificed in the need we have to blame when we don't understand and have no explanation for events. It's always women who are the victims of these frustrations. We can't be in control of events in life we blame a woman, the mother the cruel mother who took away the breast from which she will never be forgiven.

I think that our vindictive desires are now well focused on our next victim, namely Kate McCann another mother up for sacrifice, For those who have focused on the socio/economic class of this mother, rest assured when society needs a sacrifice no woman from any socio/economic group is safe, Angela Cannings was an educated middle class lawyer. The Joan of Ark phenomenon is still functioning today. The circus is all set up for the hounding of Kate McCann because ww can't explain to ourselves what has happened to her daughter Madeleine. Isn't it time we got a grip on these crowd fuelled behavioural attacks?

  • 14.
  • At 10:55 AM on 13 Sep 2007,
  • pippop wrote:

Remember Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo baby? And Jan Lees, whose boyfriend Peter Falconio disappeared in the Australian outback? And poor Sally Clark, who sadly died last year?

It seems that this sacrificial offering of women, in particular MOTHERS is cathartic. The destruction of the lives of these women helps to shed our frustration about life when it gets out of our control.

Kate NcCann is being set up now as our next victim for sacrifice.

  • 15.
  • At 10:40 AM on 14 Sep 2007,
  • pippop wrote:

It doesn't stop, but it's about time we adressed our media about their institutialised misogyny.

In spite of the fact that this is supposed be a Western modern liberal democracy the media is still predominantly run by young and old men who will be doing our bidding for us both in Portugal and the UK in the misogynystic need we have to sacrifice a women for the things we can't explain.

The siren, Eve and the snake, Kate McCann has been chosen by the media, just as others before her, Sally Clark to name but one,lined up for vilification, note, not her husband just her, as a sacrificial offering in order to placate the gods, to soothe our conscience, to deliver us from all evil, oh jezzzuss!

What's happened to the quality of mercy? What's happened to 'innocent until proven'? There seems to be nothing more gratifying than a woman scorned, the primitive within us is very powerful. We are only a hairs breadth way from those cultures that would be prepared to stone her NOW and think later, or indeed why bother to think at all she is merely a woman.

It's embarrassing and sickening to watch.

  • 16.
  • At 06:59 PM on 14 Sep 2007,
  • pippop wrote:

It's still going on and on and on and on.

What's the latest tonight with Kate McCann?

Our top journalist Raz Alarm from The Daily Vomit said tonight that a senior veterinary doctor has found traces of foot and mouth in the handbag of Kate, and Portuguese if you please officials are about to recall her to Animal farm on the outskirts of Insanity in the Borough of Hysteria for an explanation.

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